Vaccines for foreigners: Those living upcountry to get Sinovac first

[CANSIAM]

42 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Would this vaccination cocktail be recognised in Western countries is you had to travel?  

At the moment No,  you'll be considered not fully vaccinated and or the cocktail is not accepted...... bingo, get your wallet out its quarantine time.........

[GroveHillWanderer]

19 minutes ago, Henryford said:

It was a joke to highlight the stupidity of mixing vaccines. I thought they worked in different ways, inactivated virus vs mRNA. Does that provide protection? Have the companies tested the effect of mixing vaccines?

Yes they work in different ways - and that's the whole point of the exercise. Since the human immune system is so complicated and has so many different components, no single vaccine is likely to have an optimal effect on every single aspect of it.

 

The idea is that by combining different vaccines, you stand to get a better all-around result.

 

This has proven to be the case with various other vaccines in the past, so the principle is well-established.

 

As mentioned, we will have to wait for the ongoing studies to be finished, to get a definitive answer but the preliminary data look good.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Oh Joy!!!  I'm sure all the outlying province folks are going to be overjoyed to learn the Thai government is going to grace them with Sinovac doses -- IF they can actually find any place where they live that's now giving vaccinations to foreigners.

 

And hey guys, what about the 150,000 U.S. Pfizer doses supposedly set aside for age 60+ foreign nationals in Thailand?  Have those, arriving tomorrow, suddenly evaporated somehow???

The local Thais are being given Sinovac. 
Why should the foreigners living in the outlying provinces be treated any differently?

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

If you want choice in medical issues, best to go to another country. Here, we show obeisance to the doctor and never ask questions. 

So never a second opinion.  You get a sliver in your finger and the doctor says we need to amputate the hand and you go along with that.  Strange way to think in my book.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I didn't know that but I do know that you don't need to have had a vaccine to enter the UK. 

A home country can never refuse his nationals to enter ....but after entering they can do with them as they feel need to do  ...????

[jerrymahoney]

Per this Washington Post article about 1/10 of 1% of medical workers in Thailand who received two doses of Sinovac became infected. The April to July 2021 timeframe includes the introduction of Delta variant into Bangkok April 2021 per BP article 6JULY2021.

 

Hundreds of Thais inoculated with Sinovac are infected as cases spike in Southeast Asia

 

July 12, 2021 at 5:11 a.m. EDT

 

More than 600 Thai medical workers who were fully inoculated with the Sinovac vaccine were infected by the coronavirus, which is now raging through Southeast Asia.

 

The 618 cases were among the 677,348 medical staff who had received two doses of the Chinese-developed coronavirus vaccine between April to July, government data show. Among those infected are a nurse who died and a health-care worker in critical condition

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

Edited July 29, 2021 by jerrymahoney

[damascase]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

A home country can never refuse his nationals to enter ....but after entering they can do with them as they feel need to do  ...????

Well, Australia does deny entry to Australians, if I’m not mistaken……

[KannikaP]

37 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I didn't know that but I do know that you don't need to have had a vaccine to enter the UK. 

But it maybe a good idea if you DID!

[GroveHillWanderer]

38 minutes ago, grandpa said:

I know that I am prejudiced against Sinovac, based on research findings reported in these hallowed pages, which showed that Sinovac loses 50% of its efficacy 60 days after second jab and 50% more every 40 days thereafter, but what I object to more is the lack of choice, that this statement implies.

No, the research doesn't show that SinoVac "loses 50% of its efficacy" after 60 days etc. It shows that antibody levels drop by that amount but the thing to bear in mind there, is that antibodies are not the only measure of efficacy.

 

More important perhaps, especially for long-term immunity, is the level of cellular immunity created.

 

The researchers in the study actually pointed this out, as follows:

 

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Researchers said it was unclear how the decrease in antibodies would affect the shot's effectiveness, since scientists have yet to figure out precisely the threshold of antibody levels for a vaccine to be able to prevent the disease.

 

Apart from durable antibodies, other components in humans immune systems such as T cells and B cell memory elicited by the vaccine may also contribute to protection.

Antibodies from Sinovac's COVID-19 shot fade

 

In any event, antibody levels always decline over time - that's how the immune system operates. In fact, if they didn't and the body just kept on churning out high levels of antibodies to each and every disease that your body encountered throughout your life, your blood would turn into a thick sludge, causing massive problems.

[Neeranam]

Just now, KannikaP said:

But it maybe a good idea if you DID!

I don't think so, all high-risk people there have been vaccinated. 

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I don't think so, all high-risk people there have been vaccinated. 

Is that why there is currently a spike in infections in UK?

No, it's because all the precautions have been lifted.

[bluemoon58]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Never knew the second jab could be a different vaccine. 

 

I am booked for Moderna in October, could I get the Sinovac next month too?

This was announced weeks ago. Where have you been...??? 

[abrahamzvi]

Most people  up country(Thai and expatriates with pink cards over 60) who got their first AZ jab in June have appointments extending to 16 weeks in between first and second jab. Are these appointments reduced now to 12 weeks for the second AZ jab? Noting that in deep red provinces the pause between the two AZ jab is 12 weeks, one would assume that 12 weeks is the maximum allowable pause. Or am I wrong????

[Nojohndoe]

Here I am "up country" and got my  first shot of AZ day before yesterday.  At least the label on my form for next time says it's AZ... Batch No. and all !

Wonder if there is any info on AZ first and Sinovac  second  ! ????

[brommers]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Would this vaccination cocktail be recognised in Western countries is you had to travel?  

Highly unlikely, but depends on the country as Sinovac is not WHO approved and has no published Stage 3 trial results. There is no way that vaccine is being used on me.

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Here I am "up country" and got my  first shot of AZ day before yesterday.  At least the label on my form for next time says it's AZ... Batch No. and all !

Wonder if there is any info on AZ first and Sinovac  second  ! ????

Where abouts up country please?

[Pedrogaz]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I voluntarily had the Sinovac jab. Do you label me insane? 

The man who accused you is a fool who doesn't think. 

[chalawaan]

Well, better than a poke in the eye with a blunt sharp. But who else is perplexed by the irony that many of our countries are donating meds, while going out of their way not to "offend" the recipients by ignoring their own citizens here, while we're getting the "dregs" of all the inbound donations so far.

[steven100]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why?

because it has not been as effective as first proclaimed especially against the Delta variant.

 

[Nojohndoe]

4 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Where abouts up country please?

Buriram Province

 

[steven100]

1 hour ago, Havenstreet1940 said:

the UK does not accept Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccines.

sensible ......   well done UK.    

[TheFishman1]

Yeah given the Chinese vaccine Tal From is here what a great idea Thailand has Everything I read about that Chinese vaccine is after a few months it’s gone why would anybody in the government order so much of a useless in one of the first quarter of the vaccines in the country I know why TIT

[sanuk711]

39 minutes ago, damascase said:

Well, Australia does deny entry to Australians, if I’m not mistaken……

I don't think any country can deny entry to its own citizens, damascase. 

Make them go into Isolation, yes..but deny them entry--put them on a plane to where ?

 

Many Australians have left Thailand to return--not having been Vaxed yet.

Edited July 29, 2021 by sanuk711

[abrahamzvi]

10 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Here I am "up country" and got my  first shot of AZ day before yesterday.  At least the label on my form for next time says it's AZ... Batch No. and all !

Wonder if there is any info on AZ first and Sinovac  second  ! ????

Do you have a date for your second jab? As far as I could gather, they don't intend vaccinating first with AZ and a second jab of Sinovac. It's only the other way around, at least for now.......

[Liverpool Lou]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why?

because it has not been as effective as first proclaimed especially against the Delta variant.

So what?  Neither have any of the others.   Foreigners accepting Sinovac in the absence of an alternative is perfectly "sane".

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I voluntarily had the Sinovac jab. Do you label me insane? 

I did as well FWIW. Mahidol scheduled vaccinations with Sinovac for its current and retired staff and faculty back in June. I eagerly took the Sinovac, because that is what there was available. I would do it again. I don't know how much the Sinovac will protect during this Delta wave. But it is better than the alternative I had--which was nothing.

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

You missed a lot. It's under discussion and evaluation since weeks.

I think Thailand is not the only one.

 

Hoping that the second jab will be AZ I will take the Sinovac stuff tomorrow.

You can trust the plans/promises in this country, don't you?

Your body your choice, and how can you trust a government that changes it's mind from day to day? Can you tell me just one promise they have kept?

[Virt]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Never knew the second jab could be a different vaccine. 

 

I am booked for Moderna in October, could I get the Sinovac next month too?

Many countries did cross vaccinations, but it can cause problems later on if you want to travel, as not all countries accept cross vaccinations. 

 

Even Thailand don't accept it for tourists, even if they use same method, which is quite stupid. 

 

Here in Denmark we have 150.000 people cross vaccinated with AZ for first shot and Pfizer as Second, due to government stopped using AZ due to small risk of death as a side-effect. 

So that's 150.000 people who can't go to Thailand if they wanted. 

 

As for your own vaccine. I would fight like hell to get Pfizer or Moderna, as these seems to work the best against various variants and we will probably see more variants after Delta. 

 

Personally I wanted Pfizer or Moderna for more than a year after reading about the tech. 

I wouldn't mind getting AZ or J&J but only if I couldn't get the other 2. 

 

As a result of Denmark stopped using AZ and never started their official program with J&J most of the 71% vaccinated Danes so far has got Pfizer and Moderna. 

Got 2x Pfizer myself and couldn't be happier with that. 

 

I hope you are able to get your Moderna. 

[Nojohndoe]

5 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

Do you have a date for your second jab? As far as I could gather, they don't intend vaccinating first with AZ and a second jab of Sinovac. It's only the other way around, at least for now.......

My second jab is set for 19th October. Seems a long way out but I am guessing they need to spin out supplies and therefore time  frames.

I was actually just  joking about the reverse shots.

[Saltire]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

For other people in Bangkok not wanting to go to Bang Sue or for people in the provinces register at a hospital vaccination center or your regular hospital. You will be given a date for vaccination, turn up and get the job done. 

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