Breakthrough COVID-19 Infection in Thailand: What to Know

[smedly]

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Both SARS-CoV-1 and MERS were far more deadly with case fatality rates of ±10% and ±30% respectively. 

Fortunately, both viruses had lower transmission.

exactly, you need to look at the whole profile of the virus and the pandemic including transmission ability

[smedly]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

How long after the 2nd jab? And is she symptomatic or simply testing positive.

we are seeing different things happening in different countries because of timings - countries that had an early vaccine rollout are now seeing the need for booster shots - it is still not clear if more booster shots will be required, this is an evolving situation 

[Saanim]

Positive aspect is that we no longer have the common flu epidemy that also had been deadly for many in the past years...

[hioctane]

1 hour ago, toolpush said:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/vermont-76-of-september-covid-deaths-were-fully-vaccinated/

Again.. misleading. Vermont is a highly vaccinated state. Majority of the vaccinated are older. As a percentage of vaccinated, deaths is still low. Majority of the unvaccinated are younger. Some will die and that could have been prevented.

[smedly]

27 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

Who wrote this article, the WHO?, 10 times more likely to catch C19 if unvaccinated.

Israel and Singapore should be used as the guide lines for breakthrough cases as they are breaking out all over these countries.

I read it was 11 times more likely to die if unvaccinated.

The young and healthy recover from this virus without treatment.

The people that die are usually elderly and those with compromised health conditions.

Most cases in the  latest Delta outbreak in NZ recover at home.

Today 39 new cases, 32 people in Hospital 7 in ICU and one death.

Total cases approaching 1500 since the Delta outbreak and the whole country is locked down.

The health ministry just said on RNZ news, this virus is "Tracking Down" unvaccinated people.

 

The NZ government could be accused of blackmail, as they are now saying that you will not be able to attend a rock concert scheduled later this year unless you've been double dosed, Air NZ are saying you will not be allowed on International flights without a vaccine Passport, they are currently considering extending that to domestic flights.

And further more employers are not going to let you work without a vaccine.

Law suites have been filed against the WHO in India, I just watched the interview with a lawyer from the Indian bar on Infinity news.

Protests happening in NZ now, and some groups of people, are talking of legal action, over the use of alleged propaganda and blackmail methods being used.

Facebook whistle blower says algorithms are being used in social media. Opps! down goes Facebook for a day.

The Indian bar said in the interview with Infinity that, You Tube and other media are using algorithms to  take down articles that mention Ivermectin, a drug that has been administered over 4 billion times for treatments in Humans .

Ivermectin was originally manufactured by MERCK, now it is off patent and very cheap to manufacture.

Strangely MERCK are making a new drug that you can take for the treatment of covid, Thailand just ordered  a few hundred thousand doses and Australia also placed a large order in the last 24 hours.

Source- Asean news and RNZ news . This drug will cost about $700 US per treatment made by the same company that recommended to the WHO, that the use of Ivermectin was not safe to treat covid, even though it is being used successfully in India and other countries,  at only a few dollars per treatment. The Indian Bar are now taking the WHO to court.

You don't need an abacus to work this one out. Political manipulation and Big Pharma =Money

Infinity also mentioned that most third world countries can not afford access to vaccines and expensive medicines, and are likely to only achieve 20% vaccination by 2023, but Ivermectin could change the game, they can not afford MERCK's new one at $700 per treatment.

 

Given that he seemed to be including India as poor and bot being able to supply medicines to the masses for some time, then opening up Thailand to many poorer countries might only be for the richer citizens, and then only if your fully vaccinated ,but--you still can catch and spread the disease.

I think time will tell that treatment is the way to go.

If Ivermectin and its makers new version are working well the world might then change from Jabber madness to curing people with treatments.

 

Algorithms will/should, be banned as a tool for removing information that is helping big companies make money and ride over useful research and credible research,  doctors are being marked at present and their research and comments taken down for just mentioning the word IVERMECTIN> 

 

Don't worry  MERCK is bouncing back with it's new version Molnupiravir, at manufacturing cost $17.74

and is supplying it at USD $712.00 per treatment.

40 times the price, Source- the Intercept.com 2021 covid pill pricing.

No wonder the makers of Ivermectin recommended to WHO that Ivermectin was not safe to use in the treatment of Covid. 

 

why not watch this video and educate yourself 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-nPZETLTo

 

here are two more just to make sure you are getting it

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjGPMm-lMQ

 

and

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA-sCLJO2P4

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2 hours ago, tandor said:

...more hype...Sars Covid 2 is regarded in scientific circles as 'a weak virus'.

I tried to find a definition for "weak virus" either from epidemiology or science in general. No luck. Can you provide a link to this term allegedly used by scientists?

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47 minutes ago, Tonypandy said:

The only people I know that have come down with Covid and these are in the low single figures, did so all after having the 2nd jab.  

Even if your statement is believed, what do you think that proves?

[smedly]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

So it seems that malaria, dengue fever, cancer and road deaths are now classified by some in this thread in response to the story as viruses. Brilliant and well thought out arguements. Well done.

kitchen sink next just to make a stupid antivax argument 

 

I am vaccinated - I did not like having to get vaccinated but in the grand scheme of things the overwhelming evidence is clear - they protect everyone and without them we would be in deep ### right now

 

The stupid anti vax anti covid arguments posted on this thread so far are quite shocking, hard to believe they are coming from adults, it really does remind me of the "earth is flat" crowd of nutcases

[islandguy]

Why is it that the scientists I know personally are so willing to acknowledge that they might be missing something and continue to search for better understandings of their topic but the people who learned what little they know from sources writing emotionally charged all cap sentences and with ill founded gotcha conclusions are absolutely sure that they know the truth?

 

 

[Jiggo]

I Would say Ebola is one of the most Deadly infections, deadly with no vaccine, most infectious only in parts of Africa mainly DRC.......with no reliable treatment available.

[Raphael Hythlodaeus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph-co5r_ylA

 

[Stoker58]

“While the unvaccinated are by far the most at risk of contracting and transmitting it…..”.

 That’s simply not true. Numbers from Israel, the US and Europe show typically 70-80% of those in hospital are vaxxed.

 Deaths and illnesses following the mRNA therapies are off the scale.

[adam1]

Most people I know here in Thailand haven't had it...  There is a lot of hype and unnecessary fear.  This new tactic of vaxxing schoolchildren is a horror show and criminal in my eyes. 

[Stoker58]

43 minutes ago, pepi2005 said:

The ignorance about this topic is mind-boggling. Looks like many in here just listen to the daily flip-flops of Biden and Fauci.

 

1) "The effect of the vaccine is relatively small and drops dramatically from 3 months after the 2nd inoculation." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

 

2) Antibody-resistant strains are predominantly found in the vaccinated (!). They are the drivers of ever more mutations and new infections - particularly of the infected, which are more vulnerable to get hit hard. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139v1.full

 

3) Note that much of the data you read about Covid and the vaccinations is based on the recommendations by the CDC. Which (seemingly to keep up the fraudulent story about the 'pandemic of the unvaccinated') are:

 

???????? By CDC rules, no one is deemed to be “fully vaccinated” until a full 14 days have passed after the second injection of Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccine or 14 days after the first dose of Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

???????? This rule conveniently hides 80 percent of post-vaccination deaths, and cleverly classifies those deaths as "unvaccinated deaths."

???????? CDC guidelines allow laboratories to use a cycle threshold (CT) of 40 or more for the unvaccinated...

???????? ...but to use a CT of 28 or less for people who have been vaccinated.

 

This results in completely misleading "garbage data" that effectively hides a huge pile of most likely vaccine-caused deaths and breakthrough cases from the statistics.

 

Personally, as soon as it became clear that a) worldwide excess deaths were in fact almost identical in 2020 to previous years in most countries b) "vaccination year" 2021 shows notably higher mortality rates even compared to "Covid-only year" 2020 (!) and c) that natural immunity is reported at high as 80% in many countries that are actually researching it, the RATIONAL decision for politicians should be to restrict these vaccinations to risk groups (75+ years old, diabetes, obesity, lung diseases) and to open up their countries, returning to normality.

 

It works - there are quite a few countries that demonstrated it does, and they are WAY ahead in terms of economic and mental health recovery compared to the ones running for ever more booster shots or even still doing lockdowns and similar stuff.

 100% true. It’s good to see that people are waking up to the deadly nature of these drugs. Far too many just stampeded off to the local hospital to take part in a Phase 3 trial of an unlicensed drug.

[kiwikeith]

4 minutes ago, Stoker58 said:

 100% true. It’s good to see that people are waking up to the deadly nature of these drugs. Far too many just stampeded off to the local hospital to take part in a Phase 3 trial of an unlicensed drug.

Reading a med safe NZ govt report.

26 deaths after receiving covid vaccine, 6 pregnant women aborted plus adverse side effects in this report. Only one death in NZ so far officially published as being from vaccination.

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-23.asp

This is more than died from the virus.

[Thaifly88]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Agreed...  Both SARS-CoV-1 and MERS were far more deadly with case fatality rates of ±10% and ±30% respectively. 

Fortunately, both viruses had lower transmission.

 

This virus has killed more than other viruses in aggregate - as far as killers go, what about Malaria ? cancer ?

What about malaria and cancer, neither are viruses. You might as well mention cigarette smoking and alcoholism 

[kiwikeith]

14 minutes ago, adam1 said:

Most people I know here in Thailand haven't had it...  There is a lot of hype and unnecessary fear.  This new tactic of vaxxing schoolchildren is a horror show and criminal in my eyes. 

That horror show is happening in NZ with school kids being lined up from 12 yrs old to get jabbed with a vaccine that can not prevent reinfection or the spreading of covid19.

Even more horror is Thailand is considering giving it to 3 yrs old up.

My Mother in Law and her son and daughter work in markets in Phetchaburi, have never been vaccinated or infected, they drink ginger tea , take 4000 iu vitamin D  daily and magnesium and zinc.

They seem to be happy so far ,they even made a 2 meter bamboo pole with a basket on the end to transfer money from customers, that's Thai ingenuity.

[DUNROAMIN]

Genetically moderfide in Wuhan and escape from lab and covered up by CCP.

[JRG23]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

COVID-19) remains the most infectious and deadly virus of this century

What??? Who writes this?

[Pinot]

11 hours ago, adexgh said:

You can live in fear for the rest of your life with 10 booster and 10 mask anytime. I won't

Excellent. Thoughts and prayers. I'm sure your background as an Immunologist led to your informed decision. Again, thoughts and prayers. 

 

3 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

The economic damage on an individual level and the hardship and stress caused by lock downs is far more dangerous. People are facing huge financial difficulties on a massive level. So forget the BS breakthrough propaganda. Its the economy causing hardship that is the issue.

Another brilliant opinion expressed by an educated virologist, obviously. Here I thought it more about death but I'm sure you're right, it's the economy. 

 

1 hour ago, Robsweblinks said:

To bad there isn't anything we could take to protect us from the unvacinated ????

Snickers. You think? Ye gods there are some brilliant minds out there, no?

 

2 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

The propaganda is becoming relentless. So do they work or don't they. Project Veritas is blowing this whole narrative wide open. Shouldn't that be the headline?

Thanks so much for reminding us about the valuable works James O'Keefe is doing. Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. I know when I and my MAGA friends need insight to what the truth is, I head over to Project Veritas. ????

[Pinot]

11 minutes ago, JRG23 said:

What??? Who writes this?

What??? Who writes that? 

 

I just didn't realize there were so many qualified Immunologists, Virologists and Epidemiologists here on Asean Now. 

 

Get vaccinated. It's a couple of shots in the arm. Save yourself, family and friends from getting deathly sick. What's wrong with you guys? You'd rather not get vaccinated and expose yourself and everyone around you, so that you can cuck the libs???

[Richard Hall]

Humankind appears to be by far deadlier than any virus in countless aspects.

[Rimmer]

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[paulikens]

1 hour ago, Pinot said:

ion expressed by an educated virologist, obviously. Here I thought it more about death but I'm sure you're right, it's the economy. 

@Pinot another person who's ok for money so it doesnt affect him, im alright jack brigade.  

Edited October 6, 2021 by paulikens

[Skeptic7]

13 hours ago, adexgh said:

You can live in fear for the rest of your life with 10 booster and 10 mask anytime. I won't

Right on! A life lived in fear is a life not lived.

[Pinot]

1 minute ago, Skeptic7 said:

Right on! A life lived in fear is a life not lived.

Afraid of getting a jab? I don't get it. "A life lived in fear...?" What are you talking about?  

 

If you don't get vaccinated, you're far more likely to get very sick and possibly die after infecting everyone around you with your nonsense. You don't want to live in fear of what? Multiple vaccination and having to wear a mask? How is that living in fear? You're doing what society has deemed the way to respond to a pandemic as determined by experts. Not what some idiot high school dropout wrote on the Internet, actual trained experts.

 

Or you can take horse dewormer. Thoughts and prayers.  

[pacovl46]

14 hours ago, adexgh said:

You can live in fear for the rest of your life with 10 booster and 10 mask anytime. I won't

Good, the world is overpopulated anyway…

[pacovl46]

2 minutes ago, Pinot said:

Afraid of getting a jab? I don't get it. "A life lived in fear...?" What are you talking about?  

 

If you don't get vaccinated, you're far more likely to get very sick and possibly die after infecting everyone around you with your nonsense. You don't want to live in fear of what? Multiple vaccination and having to wear a mask? How is that living in fear? You're doing what society has deemed the way to respond to a pandemic as determined by experts. Not what some idiot high school dropout wrote on the Internet, actual trained experts.

 

Or you can take horse dewormer. Thoughts and prayers.  

Don’t waste your time with people like him because they’re hopeless cases, just like flat earthers and all the other conspiracy theorists! 

[Iron Tongue]

You guys all seem to have forgotten the #1 killer virus: HIV.

 

Each year another ~500,000-700,000 die from HIV/AIDS with over 32,000,000 already dead plus over 37,000,000 infected.

 

 

 

[Kaopad999]

The most deadly 'disease' is politicians & the mainstream media.