go-go bars gone?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

On the subject of agogos gone, one of my favourites is gone, signs gone, Club Electric Blue, walking st, i noticed during the last opening they moved girls next door to Beavers but now looks proper closed

I wonder if that was named after the soft porn VDOs in the 80s?

[Gsxrnz]

They'll be back but not in the same numbers as previously.  The "genuine" ones - with a genuine owner who ran the place as a bar to make a few baht after paying off the coppers will have mostly folded and they won't return in volumes unless some totally new owner is prepared to invest some funds.

 

However, the ones that were clearly a front for laundering money will definitely be back.  Seeing some gogo's with 180 staff and 5 customers per night will be the order of the day for a while. 

 

As long as they can open the door and turn on the lights they have a vehicle for inflating actual revenue, procuring genuine tax invoices for salaries and utilities, plus "creative" invoices for inputs from other suppliers. They then wash the money through the bank, pay their legitimate taxes, and hey presto, 10M of dirty money is turned into 5M of clean money.

[Mentors65]

On 10/18/2021 at 10:19 AM, scubascuba3 said:

ah so you've not been to the naked agogos then? you've really missed out

Of course i was, all the time.

But since 2001, more and more of those are gone.

In the 90's when a Girl was wearing a Bikini, everyone knew, she was new...

[elgenon]

6 hours ago, Mentors65 said:

Of course i was, all the time.

But since 2001, more and more of those are gone.

In the 90's when a Girl was wearing a Bikini, everyone knew, she was new...

My experience was opposite. I found a 19 year old newbie dancing nude. Wanted to take her dancing but she was underage. 555

 

Another time a newbie spent the night because she didn't know that was supposed to be more.

[HappyGoLuckyLife]

On 10/16/2021 at 11:38 PM, elgenon said:

I guess what I'm saying is at the present time I don't see a future for go-gos and their outreach to help uneducated girls get some bucks to help their families. I like go-gos too and would miss them. : )

Can we start by educating the women to find alternative ways to support their family? Not against go-go bars, but I am for women having options when it comes to sustaining themselves.

[scubascuba3]

8 minutes ago, HappyGoLuckyLife said:

Can we start by educating the women to find alternative ways to support their family? Not against go-go bars, but I am for women having options when it comes to sustaining themselves.

Maybe become a teacher and help improve their education in Isaan

[HappyGoLuckyLife]

38 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe become a teacher and help improve their education in Isaan

If anyone would like to learning a little coding, cloud application security, or basic use of a computer and MS Office (or their open source equivalents), and I could hold classes legally, I would be interested.

[The Cipher]

41 minutes ago, HappyGoLuckyLife said:

and I could hold classes legally, I would be interested.

I'd be open to contributing time to an initiative like this on a volunteer basis.

 

Can teach personal finance, or really any kind of finance, although I suspect basic stuff like 'what is a budget and why should you use one' would be the most popular and immediately helpful.

[HappyGoLuckyLife]

6 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

Can teach personal finance, or really any kind of finance, although I suspect basic stuff like 'what is a budget and why should you use one' would be the most popular and immediately helpful.

Agreed. I wished they taught that more here in the States. Learning personal finance may keep many people out of debt.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, HappyGoLuckyLife said:

Can we start by educating the women to find alternative ways to support their family? Not against go-go bars, but I am for women having options when it comes to sustaining themselves.

Sure there are, the rice fields, sweat shops, maid service, etc and the vast majority of unqualified Thai women do such work, but so long as the get rich quick option exists women will be found doing it.

I see you mention "educating". Is that even an option for girls from poor families, and who would pay for it if there was?

 

Also, you ignore the fact that some "educated" women choose to be prostitutes.

Edited October 24, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

42 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

I'd be open to contributing time to an initiative like this on a volunteer basis.

 

Can teach personal finance, or really any kind of finance, although I suspect basic stuff like 'what is a budget and why should you use one' would be the most popular and immediately helpful.

You'd still need to satisfy the legal conditions to "volunteer" or face arrest.

[Walker88]

There's no one size fits all re women who end up in agogos, but here's one.

 

Imagine being a young woman in a small village in Isaan. Your Thai boyfriend gets you with child at age 16. You are 'too confusing' for other students in school, so the school suggests it's better you drop out. You have the child and wonder how to take care of it. The rest of your family sees an opportunity for you (and them). They have heard pretty young women like you, now 18 years old, can go to Bangkok or Pattaya and get a job that pays big money. All you have to do is dance, and maybe a little something else from time to time. Anyway, there's nothing else you can do, as even 7-11 wants a high school diploma.

 

You leave your child with Mom or Grandma and head to Pattaya. A 'friend' from your province back home introduces you to a mamasan, who looks you over and decides you would make a welcome addition to her stable of dancers. You start the job, which pays you a daily fee larger than any money you have ever seen. All you do initially is get on a stage, shuffle a bit to some music, and look at yourself in the mirror. You know men are looking you over, but you're too shy to pay any return attention.

 

Some men call you over when your routine is done and offer to buy you a drink. You know you get 50-60 baht for each drink they buy, and you also know the manager insists on meeting some quota of drinks each month. You can't find much to talk about with the man, as your English is really poor to non-existent, and maybe his isn't so good either. With little to talk about, the man decides just to start touching you. At first you're a bit shocked that he is touching your bare legs, especially when he gets close to what is still covered up. He mentions the term 'barfine', but you're too scared to even think about what you've heard it means.

 

The days pass and you befriend some of the other dancers. They are so glamorous. They know everything about make-up, have the latest mobile phone, and even own their own motorcycle. You watch them with customers, and they are so smooth. Their English is infinitely better than yours, and they are always laughing with the customer and seem happy. They also seem okay that he keeps fondling them.

 

You start asking questions of your colleagues. "What it's like to go with a customer? What do I have to do? Are the farangs really big and does it hurt? How much money does he pay me?"

 

Very quickly you decide to give it a shot. You're petrified, but keep thinking about those phones and motorcycles and also what money you can send home to take care of your child. You let a customer barfine you. You go to a short term hotel. You shower up and come out wrapped in a towel. He showers and comes to the bed naked. He starts removing your towel and touching you everywhere. Pretty soon he is ready for much more. You almost forget what your 'sisters' said about insisting on a condom. The man doesn't want to use one and offers you extra money if he can go without. Maybe you allow it, maybe not.

 

It's all over in an instant, as you've tried to block out what is happening to you. As you leave, he hands you a few thousand baht. Maybe you've never seen a 1000 baht note.

 

Rather than go back to your bar, you go home and try to sleep. You cannot fall asleep as you just keep thinking about what happened. You don't like being touched and entered, but that money looks pretty good. Is this something you can do again? Do you want to do it again?

 

The next morning you send 2000 baht home to your mother. You call her on your cheap, second hand phone you bought in the market back home. Your mother is so excited by the sudden windfall. You lie to her about how you got the money (but your mother knows the truth).

 

Back at the bar the next night you get barfined again, and again walk away with a few thousand baht. This time you send just 1000 baht home. You want to go shopping and buy some new clothes. One of your sisters told you that you can even get a brand new phone and only pay about 1000 baht, at least now. Then you just pay some money every month, but you get the phone today. How cool is that!

 

You call home on your new phone, and your brother wants to talk to you. He needs some money. You tell him you'll send it tomorrow. You go to work, but tonight no customer wants to barfine you. Are you not pretty enough? Yes, those other ladies are so sexy. They have really big nom that they got at a doctor's office. Maybe you need to get some of those, too.

 

Your brother calls asking where his money is. You tell him you didn't get paid, so maybe tomorrow. He's angry. It's your fault he doesn't have any money. What kind of sister are you? You feel really bad not fulfilling your obligation.

 

Soon enough you get another barfine. You're getting used to the whole thing. You begin to understand men and what they want. You begin to feel you have some power. Other ladies have told you how they even get men who go back home to send them money every month 'to keep you away from other men'. You ask the ladies, "Do you really stop going with customers?" They laugh at your naivete. Maybe they sit you down and give you a lecture on the world as they know it. You walk away believing that farangs are walking ATMs and you have their PIN.

 

On your calls home, your brother is joined by an uncle or two who also want to 'borrow' money. Mom wants more, too. Mom wants the same phone you have, and don't you think you owe her at least that much? The demands for money keep going higher, and your 'family' accepts no excuses. You feel the pressure of filial piety, but also know deep down they are using you. When you think about it you hate what you do with the customers, but it's too late. That is now who you are---someone who has sex for money---and you know your family will never stop asking for more and more.

 

The pressures eat at you. A sister who always seems okay offers you something to take. The pill goes well with the alcohol you are drinking each day. The pills become a habit. You're strong. You can take it....your job, that is. You are in charge, fooling the customers into thinking you like them. You know how to deliver the experience they want, and get paid more for doing it well. You sometimes wonder if you'll get sick from what you do. You know the monthly check-ups are a joke, and you also know of sisters who get really sick.

 

You start to look a little ragged. The long hours, the mental strain, the alcohol and pills, the pressure from family all take a toll. You need more make-up to make yourself look beautiful. You need other kinds of pills, too. Some days you can't get a customer, and you know it's because the other ladies are more beautiful and sexy. You know you need to get some silicon. You also decide you need some tattoos. You don't really think about what or why, you just start getting inked. You see another tattoo you like, and find a spot for that, too. You also add a nose piercing and one in your navel. Your whole body is changing even faster than your mind. Life is becoming a blur. Go to work, drink lots of Tequila, get a customer to take you out, have sex, get a few thousand baht, go out after work with your 'sisters' and blow most of your money on more alcohol, then somehow go home by 5am and try to sleep.

 

By 8am your mother or brother or uncle is calling looking for money. You try to sleep again. You wake up at 5pm, heat some water and make a bowl of Mama Noodles, then start getting ready for work. Rinse and repeat.

 

This is now your life.....and all because some boy got you pregnant and then walked away from you. You don't even want to think about the future, because you don't know if there is a way out.

 

There probably isn't much of a way out. You're kind of damaged goods, at least in the eyes of Thai society. You're all tatted up and pierced. You have next to no education. Any Thai who looks at you knows what your work is. Some men might want to take a romp with you, but no way they are interested in a relationship. You've had too many men, or you are too deep in the bargirl culture to ever be trustworthy. Maybe you can get a moto-taxi driver as a mate, a guy who sells substances on the side and may have a penchant for being a little rough with his women. Maybe you can land a foreigners 3-4 decades your senior who will take care of you. You're good at feigning affection, so maybe you can pull that off. Plus, you can still go with customers even if you're with the foreigner. He won't know, and you can just lie if you need.

 

If you cannot get the moto-taxi guy or the chubby old farang, you might find work in a beer bar. You've lost the look the agogos seek, so you move down the chain to places where the customer base is less demanding, but also less affluent. You drink, play games with the customers, and sometimes go short time for a fraction of what you used to command in the agogo.

 

Life didn't quite turn out how you dreamed it would back when you were a teen. Your daughter is now 18 years old. You are also a grandmother and you're not even 40. Your daughter tells you she's heading for Pattaya to work.

 

 

 

[seedy]

4 hours ago, HappyGoLuckyLife said:

Can we start by educating the women to find alternative ways to support their family? Not against go-go bars, but I am for women having options when it comes to sustaining themselves.

So they can graduate and make peanuts ?

Do you know how much a girl can make in a GoGo bar ?

[stratocaster]

Nothing to do with Thailand but could be a sign of the times. Just watched a documentary on the changes to the famous window shopping area district in Amsterdam. Some of the women are now working behind closed curtains with a contact app details posted in the window. This is due to the abuse they were suffering from tourists. An exotic center is under construction 20 minutes drive from the center of Amsterdam and all sex clubs and shops have to  be relocated there. It reminded me of the plans that Thai governments have mooted over the years.

[thaibeachlovers]

56 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

There probably isn't much of a way out. You're kind of damaged goods, at least in the eyes of Thai society. You're all tatted up and pierced. You have next to no education. Any Thai who looks at you knows what your work is. Some men might want to take a romp with you, but no way they are interested in a relationship.

Good try. Unfortunately, not reality in many cases, though I have no doubt some conform to your narrative. Most bargirls are NOT tattooed up, or pierced ( beyond the usual earlobes ), though some damaged girls ( not necessarily from the job ) are as I've seen myself, but 1 out of hundreds isn't a high proportion.

I used to ask the girls that went with me if they had been treated badly by farangs and none said yes. Most were just normal women doing it for a couple/ few years to get a bit of money and maybe find a farang husband. They were not druggies, nut cases, freaks, alcoholics etc, and they enjoyed sex in the same way women enjoy casual sex with strangers they meet in a pub.

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

It's all over in an instant, as you've tried to block out what is happening to you. As you leave, he hands you a few thousand baht. Maybe you've never seen a 1000 baht note.

 

Rather than go back to your bar, you go home and try to sleep. You cannot fall asleep as you just keep thinking about what happened. You don't like being touched and entered, but that money looks pretty good. Is this something you can do again? Do you want to do it again?

LOL. Maybe an "instant" for you.

Maybe at the start, but sex is enjoyable, isn't it? That's why people do it, after all.

I never met any that had a problem being "entered" or using a condom.

 

Few thousand baht for a short time? Hmmmm. Times must really have changed. If it costs that much it might explain why less mongers were visiting Pattaya pre corona.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

You're good at feigning affection, so maybe you can pull that off. Plus, you can still go with customers even if you're with the foreigner. He won't know, and you can just lie if you need.

Sounds like my western partner, except for the "customers" and "foreigner" bit. She did it for free.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

sometimes go short time for a fraction of what you used to command in the agogo.

Do you know that from some sort of research, or is it what you "imagine"? I never found any in a bar would go for under the norm. IMO those would be found free lancing on Beach Rd promenade, but more normally they'd just go back to the village. Bonking in Pattaya isn't normally a lifetime career of choice for most. Few years and gone before they got old.

[Walker88]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good try. Unfortunately, not reality in many cases, though I have no doubt some conform to your narrative. Most bargirls are NOT tattooed up, or pierced ( beyond the usual earlobes ), though some damaged girls ( not necessarily from the job ) are as I've seen myself, but 1 out of hundreds isn't a high proportion.

I used to ask the girls that went with me if they had been treated badly by farangs and none said yes. Most were just normal women doing it for a couple/ few years to get a bit of money and maybe find a farang husband. They were not druggies, nut cases, freaks, alcoholics etc, and they enjoyed sex in the same way women enjoy casual sex with strangers they meet in a pub.

LOL. Maybe an "instant" for you.

Maybe at the start, but sex is enjoyable, isn't it? That's why people do it, after all.

I never met any that had a problem being "entered" or using a condom.

 

Few thousand baht for a short time? Hmmmm. Times must really have changed. If it costs that much it might explain why less mongers were visiting Pattaya pre corona.

I get the feeling your last visit to an agogo or chat with the women in that business was in 1967 or thereabouts. Your view and my view are obviously different.

 

In a bar like Pin-up on Walking Street, around 75% of the women are tatted up, almost as many pierced (ears, yes, but navel is a close second and nose carries up the rear.) I can't think of a bar in Bangkok where at least half the women are un-tatted.

 

My post was garnered from conversations with dozens of bargirls and represents a fairly common tale. I became quite close friends with one in particular, and have spent the last few years hanging out with her and her friends.  They have told me---and I have little reason to doubt them---that they know of very few 'sisters' who don't take something to dull the experience. Ice is one favorite, ketamine another, and almost all sip kratom tea in their time off. Others use white powder and some yaa baa. Speak with a bar owner or manager and he'll tell you the problems the bar has with women and illicit substances. Watch the women's "Toms" who wait outside, and you can see who supplies the stuff.

 

As for enjoying it, they are good at fooling their customers, and they know their customers' egos are fragile enough that even a fake O or ill-timed groans sell easily. Most have a very matter-of-fact attitude about the work, not liking the intimate aspects of it, but accepting the fact it is about the only way they can meet the demands of family care.

 

Now no doubt you make Brad Pitt jealous and are a stud muffin in the sack, but most customers are not exactly in peak condition nor do they make women weak in the knees, even the women who are not gay. Most of the women with whom I have become friendly---and never dallied with---say that they block out the sex part and try to think of anything but what they are doing. Women from Pin-up have told me that at least half of their 'sisters' have Toms and are not attracted to men (except you, of course). Some have taken on other low paying jobs during the Covid Era and claim they never intend to go back to the agogos. We'll see if that holds up, as these women made anywhere from 50K to over 100K baht a month before Covid. Tough to beat that during the Boom Years, much less in the Post Covid Era.

 

A good way to get an education, if one is so inclined, is take a half dozen bargirls out for moo ka ta. They really open up---besides eating what I might eat in a week. Sans make-up and in street clothes rather than work outfits, they let down their guard and say what they really think. Yes, some women, especially those from the back of beyond in Isaan, see some aspects of the job as 'glamorous'---make-up, clothes, fancy phones, the occasional rich customer who takes them to a Facebook-post-worthy hi-so restaurant or hotel---but many get wounded badly by the experience. Contrary to a popular farang belief, not all Thai women have a 'it's no big deal' attitude about casual sex or letting men have their way with their bodies.

 

Again, this is my experience and yours may differ. I have found some truly nice women in the business and have gained some friendships along the way that I value. For the most part the women do not have an easy or enviable life. The pressures are great and while the monetary rewards beat what their graduated peers may earn, there is a steep price to pay for it. Yes, some let it roll of their back like water on a duck, but for some it eats away at them and leaves them damaged in the long run.

[seedy]

1 hour ago, stratocaster said:

 An exotic center is under construction 20 minutes drive from the center of Amsterdam and all sex clubs and shops have to  be relocated there.

Takes me back to Mexico - La Zona Roja

[madmen]

I'm preying they open. Where else can 60 year old men fondle pretty farm girls for a $5 drink? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, madmen said:

I'm preying they open. Where else can 60 year old men fondle pretty farm girls for a $5 drink? 

Innuendo or typo ?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I get the feeling your last visit to an agogo or chat with the women in that business was in 1967 or thereabouts. Your view and my view are obviously different.

 

In a bar like Pin-up on Walking Street, around 75% of the women are tatted up, almost as many pierced (ears, yes, but navel is a close second and nose carries up the rear.) I can't think of a bar in Bangkok where at least half the women are un-tatted.

 

My post was garnered from conversations with dozens of bargirls and represents a fairly common tale. I became quite close friends with one in particular, and have spent the last few years hanging out with her and her friends.  They have told me---and I have little reason to doubt them---that they know of very few 'sisters' who don't take something to dull the experience. Ice is one favorite, ketamine another, and almost all sip kratom tea in their time off. Others use white powder and some yaa baa. Speak with a bar owner or manager and he'll tell you the problems the bar has with women and illicit substances. Watch the women's "Toms" who wait outside, and you can see who supplies the stuff.

 

As for enjoying it, they are good at fooling their customers, and they know their customers' egos are fragile enough that even a fake O or ill-timed groans sell easily. Most have a very matter-of-fact attitude about the work, not liking the intimate aspects of it, but accepting the fact it is about the only way they can meet the demands of family care.

 

Now no doubt you make Brad Pitt jealous and are a stud muffin in the sack, but most customers are not exactly in peak condition nor do they make women weak in the knees, even the women who are not gay. Most of the women with whom I have become friendly---and never dallied with---say that they block out the sex part and try to think of anything but what they are doing. Women from Pin-up have told me that at least half of their 'sisters' have Toms and are not attracted to men (except you, of course). Some have taken on other low paying jobs during the Covid Era and claim they never intend to go back to the agogos. We'll see if that holds up, as these women made anywhere from 50K to over 100K baht a month before Covid. Tough to beat that during the Boom Years, much less in the Post Covid Era.

 

A good way to get an education, if one is so inclined, is take a half dozen bargirls out for moo ka ta. They really open up---besides eating what I might eat in a week. Sans make-up and in street clothes rather than work outfits, they let down their guard and say what they really think. Yes, some women, especially those from the back of beyond in Isaan, see some aspects of the job as 'glamorous'---make-up, clothes, fancy phones, the occasional rich customer who takes them to a Facebook-post-worthy hi-so restaurant or hotel---but many get wounded badly by the experience. Contrary to a popular farang belief, not all Thai women have a 'it's no big deal' attitude about casual sex or letting men have their way with their bodies.

 

Again, this is my experience and yours may differ. I have found some truly nice women in the business and have gained some friendships along the way that I value. For the most part the women do not have an easy or enviable life. The pressures are great and while the monetary rewards beat what their graduated peers may earn, there is a steep price to pay for it. Yes, some let it roll of their back like water on a duck, but for some it eats away at them and leaves them damaged in the long run.

More recently than 1967, but mainly in the last decade of the previous century and first decade of present. After that I was married. Did go in a few Walking Street gogos after divorced but the most attractive girls were touting outside.

I'm sorry to hear that the scene has become so tatted and drugged up, but it was brilliant back then.

I had gogo girlfriends for years, one for 8 years, and spent a lot of time in Nana. Nothing like what you describe.

 

As I might have a month with one at the beach, I think I'd know if they were using. Worst drug they used was tobacco.

 

I'm hardly a stud muffin, and never claimed to be, but a woman has a physical reaction to an orgasm that can't be faked, so no problems there.

 

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The pressures are great and while the monetary rewards beat what their graduated peers may earn, there is a steep price to pay for it. Yes, some let it roll of their back like water on a duck, but for some it eats away at them and leaves them damaged in the long run.

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The advantage of not being drunk when selecting a girl is that one tends to avoid the bad ones, though I have been caught out occasionally. I also took my time looking, and might walk from Naklua to Walking Street in my search. Some idea of warning signs is also useful eg I'd never go with a tattooed one, or one that drank alcohol while talking to me. They also had to be friendly, smile and speak reasonable English. Some I saw were so unpleasant/ uninterested I have no idea why any monger would take them out, unless rotten drunk.

 

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I have found some truly nice women in the business and have gained some friendships along the way that I value."

end quote

Likewise, but most were not around the next visit to Thailand, so had to look for another. I was not in the habit of keeping in touch while not in LOS.

Sadly the one I liked the most out of all had such dreadful stretch marks that I was unable to continue the relationship- really lovely with her clothes on though, but that's not enough for me.

 

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

As for enjoying it, they are good at fooling their customers,

Why would their customers care?

I tell 'em to shut up if they're being silly.

 

Was lying in bed with my Thai GF (former) and she questioned me about my Brit wife's (30 years) orgasms ........

Her, "How often did your wife have an orgasm?"

Me, "Once or twice"

Her, "In a day, a week?"

Me, "In the 30 years we were married"

Edited October 24, 2021 by BritManToo

[Mentors65]

9 hours ago, elgenon said:

My experience was opposite. I found a 19 year old newbie dancing nude. Wanted to take her dancing but she was underage. 555

 

Another time a newbie spent the night because she didn't know that was supposed to be more.

Lol 

[Will B Good]

9 hours ago, elgenon said:

My experience was opposite. I found a 19 year old newbie dancing nude. Wanted to take her dancing but she was underage. 555

 

Another time a newbie spent the night because she didn't know that was supposed to be more.

When making statements like this you really should support it with an address/location.

[Freddy42OZ]

On 10/18/2021 at 1:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it does.

I've stayed in the Royal Wing of the Royal Cliff a few times.  Very nice and exclusive, but not the type of resort I was referring to. 

I was thinking more of something along the lines of a Club Med for families, with lots of things for kids to do as well as things for the adults.  Had some awesome holidays at Club Meds with my parents when I was a teenager. 

I'm pretty sure Pattaya doesn't have resorts where a family with kids could all have a fabulous time without ever leaving the grounds of the resort?  Private beach, water sport facilities including windsurfers, hobie cats, lasers, etc  

[elgenon]

On 10/23/2021 at 3:27 PM, HappyGoLuckyLife said:

Can we start by educating the women to find alternative ways to support their family? Not against go-go bars, but I am for women having options when it comes to sustaining themselves.

I agree with you.

 

 I have encountered girls who have degrees in hospitality who need to make more than the pittance they were paid.

 

Thai government pays for education to the 8th grade? Not sure. If fact some of the girls work to put their brothers through uni in the hope they will be taken care of later.

 

When you are in the lower rungs of society it is about survival.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I've stayed in the Royal Wing of the Royal Cliff a few times.  Very nice and exclusive, but not the type of resort I was referring to. 

I was thinking more of something along the lines of a Club Med for families, with lots of things for kids to do as well as things for the adults.  Had some awesome holidays at Club Meds with my parents when I was a teenager. 

I'm pretty sure Pattaya doesn't have resorts where a family with kids could all have a fabulous time without ever leaving the grounds of the resort?  Private beach, water sport facilities including windsurfers, hobie cats, lasers, etc  

I'll be happy if Pattaya doesn't have anything for families. They can go elsewhere and leave Pattaya for single men to enjoy themselves, without having to worry about parental disapproval. The push to make Pattaya a family resort has been the ruin of it.

 

BTW there  are no private beaches in Pattaya, and a jolly good thing too.

 

There's a Club Med on Phuket Island. Why don't you try that?

[zzaa09]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll be happy if Pattaya doesn't have anything for families. They can go elsewhere and leave Pattaya for single men to enjoy themselves, without having to worry about parental disapproval. The push to make Pattaya a family resort has been the ruin of it.

 

BTW there  are no private beaches in Pattaya, and a jolly good thing too.

 

There's a Club Med on Phuket Island. Why don't you try that?

Why bother with any type of Farang Ghetto setting?

[elgenon]

On 10/25/2021 at 2:46 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll be happy if Pattaya doesn't have anything for families. They can go elsewhere and leave Pattaya for single men to enjoy themselves, without having to worry about parental disapproval. The push to make Pattaya a family resort has been the ruin of it.

 

BTW there  are no private beaches in Pattaya, and a jolly good thing too.

 

There's a Club Med on Phuket Island. Why don't you try that?

Dude! Pattaya for single men! I love that concept.