New honda for cash, any discount off retail price?

[Will B Good]

Got a new Mazda CX-5 last year.

 

OTR price 1.75 million.............. cash price with first class insurance 1.4 million.

 

Not claiming that is a good or bad deal.......just what happened .

[1FinickyOne]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Read my post again I was posting what happened 16 years ago.

The dealers get a % from loan company or bank that they use for there customers.

I was commenting on the "knock" - - never heard it used that way but..

 

knock knock - who's there? 

[soi3eddie]

18 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Don't know what it's like now buying cash. 

I bought a Vigo years ago and it was 861,000 from memory walked into the dealership with the cash and they wouldn't even knock the odd 1000 baht. 

They make more money from people buying on the knock. 

Same here. Bought a Vigo in 2005 for about same in cash. No discount, however was able to get floor mats, wood trims and some other stuff for free.

 

[kwak250]

4 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

who's there? 

Jehovah's witness 

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

I was commenting on the "knock" - - never heard it used that way but..

 

knock knock - who's there? 

????  In UK buying on the knock or on the never, never is used by Londoners.

[hackjam]

17 hours ago, BangkokBoyJohnny said:

Half Tank of Petrol ! Maliwan Phuket gave me my brand new Honda HRV RS with about half a pint ! I spent the first 10 minutes driving my shiny new car around Phuket Town desperately looking for a Petrol Station !

Has the new model HRV been launched? 

[DiDiChok]

I bought a new 2021 Honda City RS last March.   Got free insurance but I said I'd pay the asking price once they said I could have it in 14 days time.  They delivered as promised and I paid up on the day by transfer using the Kasikorn app.  They did say they've no incentive to give a discount for case as they' rather you went on the drip and paid every month, as they get more money that way.

[1FinickyOne]

7 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Jehovah's witness 

jehovah's Witness who?

[DavisH]

7 hours ago, hackjam said:

Has the new model HRV been launched? 

Yes. https://www.headlightmag.com/official-price-honda-hr-v-ehev/

Prices have been announced. 

[LarrySR]

11 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

jehovah's Witness who?

Land Shark 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by LarrySR

[Liverpool Lou]

On 11/19/2021 at 4:46 PM, Ralf001 said:

Finance you  can try for a discount as the finance is an ongoing earner for them... cash is one lump payment with no future earner.

Finance provided by a bank/finance company is a one-off "earner", per deal, for the dealer. 

 

The finance company makes a commission payment to the dealer, equivalent to a percentage of the total interest charged to the borrower for the finance agreement (in addition to the amount borrowed to purchase the vehicle, obviously).    

Edited November 21, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Ralf001]

34 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Finance provided by a bank/finance company is a one-off "earner", per deal, for the dealer. 

 

The finance company makes a commission payment to the dealer, equivalent to a percentage of the total interest charged to the borrower for the finance agreement (in addition to the amount borrowed to purchase the vehicle, obviously).    

Yeah the dealer gets a slice of the interest, thats why they give discounts to people not paying cash.

 

Blind Freddy can see this.

 

In saying that my second new car purchase here was zero % interest over 4 years and they gave me a 30k discount on top of the usual freebies...... except a tank of fuel and the <deleted> car was on 10 till empty when I picked it up so headed to the closest service station, dealer probably getting a kick back from them !!

[Liverpool Lou]

26 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Finance provided by a bank/finance company is a one-off "earner", per deal, for the dealer. 

 

The finance company makes a commission payment to the dealer, equivalent to a percentage of the total interest charged to the borrower for the finance agreement (in addition to the amount borrowed to purchase the vehicle, obviously).    

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Yeah the dealer gets a slice of the interest, thats why they give discounts to people not paying cash.

 

Blind Freddy can see this.

My point was that finance commission is not an "ongoing" income for the dealer, it's a one-off payment per deal.   And, depending on the arrangement that the dealer has with the finance companies, that commission can be clawed back if the finance is settled early or the loan becomes delinquent. 

 

Blind Freddy does not always see that.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Sheryl]

A flaming post has been removed. Please keep it civil.

[vinny41]

For the op there is a motor show in Bangkok next month best days to go for a deal is the last day as the major Brands all want that number 1 slot of orders

https://www.motorexpo.co.th/

Establish delivery dates and manufacturing date as a 2022 model Civic RS built in December 2021 will be worth less than a 2022 model Civic RS built in January 2022

Register with some Thai facebook groups for Civic  and post a listing in Thai that you are looking for a 2022 Civic RS cash discount only.

I would also register with alternative Brand group facebook groups and post a listing that your looking for model x

You can do a degree play the dealers off in Facebook but I would suggest that you say to the Honda dealers that the civic RS is your preferred choice but you are considering Brand X it all depends on who gives the best deal

Make sure the 1 year free iinsurance is in the cash only deal as you can see here the free insurance offer if provided by Honda not the dealer and its linked to Only customers who have entered into a hire purchase contract with a participating financial institution

https://www.honda.co.th/promotions/detail/promotion-civic-nov2021

[Sheryl]

On 11/20/2021 at 10:52 AM, worrab said:

Well on top of the free insurance I managed to get, decent tint on all windows which I selected, side and rear body kits and rear spoiler with brake light, decent mats, shark fin aerial, leather seats, waxing/polishing and underside waterproofing respray for 2 years, cushion and a teddy bear. No demo etc needed. All in all a very good service when I bought the Honda Jazz for cash in Bangkok and then as we have moved, very good service etc from Honda Chumphon. Would buy again. 

I got the one year free Class insurance, tinted windows with good quality (I had my choice of brand etc), full tank of gas, extended warranty (5 years). I also got a modest cash reduction (few thousand baht).

[Thunglom]

Most of the salespeople you meet in the first place are basically just grinning idiots - they have no idea of what they are selling. You need to cut through that .

Depending on the model, and availability you can get a discount but you need to talk to the organ grinder, to the monkey.

There is nowhere in the world where you can't do a deal on anything. It is really up to you and the situation there and then.

casino itself is not necessarily an incentive as they get commission off selling finance. ut it makes for an easy sale for them.

If you can't gt enough cash discount, look at extras and goodies - or a demo or salesroom model.

(you need to find out how long delivery will be, too)

All new cars will come with basic insurance in the registration process.

You need to find out what extra insurance they are offering - it would help to know the company. Most cars can be insured fully comp from about 10000 baht. Including road side recovery and windscreen replacement.

tinted windows are a waste of time and money.

 

I have watched foreigners attempting to get a discount on a v=car purchase many times and quite frankly they handle it so badly, they don't stand a chance. They don't know what they want. you don't look around to see what they can get and they are arrogant and just plain rude to the vendors. Often vendors will have stock/accessories they don't want anymore, they may have a load of bits they use for promotion but if you look around you may well find stuff that farangs will buy Thai customers don't want. You need to be flexible and polite and you can do vey well.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Thunglom

[Thunglom]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

I got the one year free Class insurance, tinted windows with good quality (I had my choice of brand etc), full tank of gas, extended warranty (5 years). I also got a modest cash reduction (few thousand baht).

there is a difference between getting a discount and the package of extras used by all the svlesteam t get a sale.

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, Thunglom said:

tinted windows are a waste of time and money.

strongly disagree with that - makes a buge difference to how hot the car gets while parked in the sun.

 

I did not have them on m old car, got them on the new one -what an improvement!!

[blackprince]

8 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

strongly disagree with that - makes a buge difference to how hot the car gets while parked in the sun.

 

I did not have them on m old car, got them on the new one -what an improvement!!

I agree, tinted windows are a great idea, but not too tinted or at night one might end up in a klong as I nearly did (I wasn't the driver on that occasion)!

[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, blackprince said:

I agree, tinted windows are a great idea, but not too tinted or at night one might end up in a klong as I nearly did (I wasn't the driver on that occasion)!

I got FX-50 (3 M) and it seems about right.

 

As I recall it came with a 5 year waranty for the tint.

[blackprince]

12 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I got FX-50 (3 M) and it seems about right.

 

As I recall it came with a 5 year waranty for the tint.

I think the one that was too dark at night was 80%. It was replaced with 60% I think.

 

I think you mentioned earlier that you also chose the 1st class insurance. Another great idea.

[DavisH]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

I got FX-50 (3 M) and it seems about right.

 

As I recall it came with a 5 year waranty for the tint.

Tint lasts for years, so I doubt you will have to worry about replacing it. We replaced some on our old civic about at about 12 yrs old I think. It started to change colour. 8 yr old tint on our swift and still good. 

[Thunglom]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

strongly disagree with that - makes a buge difference to how hot the car gets while parked in the sun.

 

I did not have them on m old car, got them on the new one -what an improvement!!

The amount of protection against heating up has been shown to be minimal. negligible even - contrary to the sales pitch of tinting companies

The only real benefit is that a thief can't see in so well.

However any small advantages are overridden by safety concerns.

If you have a 40% tint that means that 40% less light is getting in and this of course has a detrimental effect on visibility especially in low light.

The tint companies make a lot of brouhaha about the cooling effects but this is not backed up by any independent research. How hot your car gets may depend more on the total area of glass surface, the angle presented to the sun and of course where you park it. Think about it – we are talking of heat transmitted through glass - the glass heats – the heat hits the glass, transmits through the glass and then radiates into the car. Same as your electric cooker

Most cars when bought do actually have a tint but not that noticeable. This is pigment built into the glass itself. Films added on will after time distort bubble and in other ways reduced visibility, Imperceptible at first it can creep up in the same way as cataracts do.

If you are driving in a light or non-tinted cab, then not only is your vision better, but you are able to see and be seen by other motorists. This is a big safety aid - at junctions etc., communication between drivers greatly reduces the chances of collision. (A common Thai characteristic is to avoid eye contact and confrontation – hence their love of tinted glass).

It's also worth bearing in mind that most countries have legal limits on tinting. For instance if you driving into Malaysia with a heavily tinted car (over 50%) they may refuse you entry. Of course you can pull off the offending film if you want.

 

If you want to cool your car whilst parked in the sun, stick up a reflective screen inside the windscreen to reflect the heat back.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Thunglom

[Sheryl]

23 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

The amount of protection against heating up has been shown to be minimal. negligible even - contrary to the sales pitch of tinting companies

The only real benefit is that a thief can't see in so well.

However any small advantages are overridden by safety concerns.

If you have a 40% tint that means that 40% less light is getting in and this of course has a detrimental effect on visibility especially in low light.

The tint companies make a lot of brouhaha about the cooling effects but this is not backed up by any independent research. How hot your car gets may depend more on the total area of glass surface, the angle presented to the sun and of course where you park it. Think about it – we are talking of heat transmitted through glass - the glass heats – the heat hits the glass, transmits through the glass and then radiates into the car. Same as your electric cooker

Most cars when bought do actually have a tint but not that noticeable. This is pigment built into the glass itself. Films added on will after time distort bubble and in other ways reduced visibility, Imperceptible at first it can creep up in the same way as cataracts do.

If you are driving in a light or non-tinted cab, then not only is your vision better, but you are able to see and be seen by other motorists. This is a big safety aid - at junctions etc., communication between drivers greatly reduces the chances of collision. (A common Thai characteristic is to avoid eye contact and confrontation – hence their love of tinted glass).

It's also worth bearing in mind that most countries have legal limits on tinting. For instance if you driving into Malaysia with a heavily tinted car (over 50%) they may refuse you entry. Of course you can pull off the offending film if you want.

 

If you want to cool your car whilst parked in the sun, stick up a reflective screen inside the windscreen to reflect the heat back.

 

 

Not at all my experience. I used to use reflective windscreens in my old, untinted car. Of limited help (since impossible to cover all windows and front & backscreen). Also a hassle.

 

By contrast the tinted windows keep the car comfortably cool.

 

I have never heard a sales pitch from a tinting company or anyone else. Just relating my actual experience.

 

 

[MrJ2U]

On 11/19/2021 at 4:45 PM, JustAnotherHun said:

If you pay cash you will get some freebies and a 1-year insurance, but most likely no price reduction. It's unusual in Thailand. 

Even more unusual for any Honda (or Toyota) dealership to offer anything other than what JustanotherHun said.

 

Skip the Widow tinting freebie offer and get another freebie.  Tinting can be done cheaply anywhere.  

[Thunglom]

47 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Not at all my experience. I used to use reflective windscreens in my old, untinted car. Of limited help (since impossible to cover all windows and front & backscreen). Also a hassle.

 

By contrast the tinted windows keep the car comfortably cool.

 

I have never heard a sales pitch from a tinting company or anyone else. Just relating my actual experience.

 

 

As I said the tined windows are largely a waste of time and money. They don't cool vey much and the safety aspects totally outweigh any marginal cooling benefits.

I must say I don't respect your methodology of determining the cooling effect ('relating my actual experience.") and you don't seem to understand how the area of glass affects the heat generated - you don't need to "cover" all windows you acy=tually don't "cover anything - you place a reflective screen behind the largest window in direct sunlight - this is normally the windscreen.

 

it is however the safety aspect I find most concerning.

 

you might also consider what kind of tint - or film you have on you vehicle and the optical qualities after a year or so in the sun.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Thunglom

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Even more unusual for any Honda (or Toyota) dealership to offer anything other than what JustanotherHun said.

 

Skip the Widow tinting freebie offer and get another freebie.  Tinting can be done cheaply anywhere.  

Car Manufacturers offer dealers various incentive options through out the year

From a Manufacturers point of in a perfect world every vehicle that rolls off the production line is sold

but Manufacturers know there is going to various months of the year where that not possible so there will be times where the  Manufacturers will offer additional discounts to the dealer to buy those vehicles.

I have seen Dealers where In January, February,March they have leftover stock from the previous year often vehicles with no mileage and warranty has not been started.

In a ideally world the dealer will try and sell those vehicles at the same price as a vehicle that hasn't come off the production line yet 

I have seen some major Brands not all of them but for example on vehicles that have a retail price of 1.2-1.3 million baht offer discount's upto 250,000 baht to sell their old stock

and it can be a cash only deal or finance deal.

Will they offer you such a deal when you walk into the showroom simple answer is No

and will every dealer offer you similar deals  simple answer No some dealers would have bought the unused stock and some wouldn't 

Edited November 21, 2021 by vinny41
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[DrDave]

Things have possibly changed over the past few years, but I was able to get a decent discount on a Pajero Sport (cash sale) several years ago. List price was 1,225,000 and I asked for all the freebies and a 60k discount. They countered with the freebies and a 40k discount, which I accepted.

Now I need to buy a small car for our daughter, but don't think I'll get a similar deal this time around.

Edited November 21, 2021 by DrDave

[seedy]

https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessories/a37068466/top-car-window-tint-for-heat-reduction/