Abandoning a condo what is the penalty?

[Tony125]

4 hours ago, Chris.B said:

 

How are they going to sue him if they don't know where he lives? 

 

The condo management have the authority to order Thai immigration to stop someone leaving Thailand on the basis of a "pending court legal case"?  55555 

 

 

Yes  can be easily done. About 4 years ago a father and son visiting Pattaya stiffed their hotel for evening meal of 2,500 as they checked out and left after dinning. When they reurned 2 years later they were arrested by Immigration at the airport as the hotel had filed a report of theft and had copies of their passports/id's from previous check in and notice file of non-payment of meal and services.  A warrent had been issued for them.If remaining in or returning to Thailand some can face a nasty surprise upon return. Was posted on several Thai news papers and Thai Visa.

[Ohyesuare]

4 hours ago, Chris.B said:

 

How are they going to sue him if they don't know where he lives? 

 

The condo management have the authority to order Thai immigration to stop someone leaving Thailand on the basis of a "pending court legal case"?  55555 

 

 

"It should be noted that where a foreign defendant party is involved an unfortunate circumstance often arises for the plaintiff. If a foreign defendant is not able to be formally notified of the case, as required by Thai procedural law, then the plaintiff must ask the Thai government (i.e., The Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to formally request the relevant foreign government to serve the complaint and summons on the foreign defendant."

 

So yes, immigration would be aware if they decide to sue and are not able to find him. But keep laughing at things you know nothing about and showing your ignorance and immaturity.

[Rimmer]

Some troll / baiting posts have been removed

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Yes  can be easily done. About 4 years ago a father and son visiting Pattaya stiffed their hotel for evening meal of 2,500 as they checked out and left after dinning. When they reurned 2 years later they were arrested by Immigration at the airport as the hotel had filed a report of theft and had copies of their passports/id's from previous check in and notice file of non-payment of meal and services.  A warrent had been issued for them.If remaining in or returning to Thailand some can face a nasty surprise upon return. Was posted on several Thai news papers and Thai Visa.

Great, there are so many foreigners just skipping out on things and debts im happy some get caught. Especially these kind of people.

 

As for the OP, i don't really get it he has a condo but does not want to pay fees. But at a low enough price it certainly would sell.

 

I really don't understand this because this condo is surely worth more then the fees. Sorry something must be wrong in what the OP was telling.

[mvdf]

If it's worth 2 mil and the residual amount owed is in the region of 100k or 50k baht, let me know and i will give ya a symbolic 1k for the transfer of ownership. ????

[Ohyesuare]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

Yes  can be easily done. About 4 years ago a father and son visiting Pattaya stiffed their hotel for evening meal of 2,500 as they checked out and left after dinning. When they reurned 2 years later they were arrested by Immigration at the airport as the hotel had filed a report of theft and had copies of their passports/id's from previous check in and notice file of non-payment of meal and services.  A warrent had been issued for them.If remaining in or returning to Thailand some can face a nasty surprise upon return. Was posted on several Thai news papers and Thai Visa.

Exactly. The same reason they take a copy of your passport when renting a motorbike. Condos as well but that's also for the TM30 requirement. Try seriously damaging a rental bike and not paying and see if you have problems leaving or reentering the country.

[scorecard]

6 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Do they have credit ratings in Thailand?

Yes there's a personal credit ranking agency, seems to be quite well operated, banks use it a lot, started I guess about 25 years ago.

[scorecard]

1 minute ago, Chris.B said:

Allegedly 'stiffed'..... and on the basis of these allegations for not paying for their meal, Thailand had put out a full country wide alert at all land crossings, ports and airfields for this pair! Haha    Pull the other one.

 

Further, do you really believe the Thai Immigration Bureau wants to be involved with such matters? Is that their purpose? No.

 

In fact if there's no official court record that you didn't pay, no gov't, or other agency, would ever get involved. 

[Ohyesuare]

3 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Further, do you really believe the Thai Immigration Bureau wants to be involved with such matters? Is that their purpose? No.

 

In fact if there's no official court record that you didn't pay, no gov't, or other agency, would ever get involved. 

Not paying for a meal is theft which would be on record if the hotel filed a police report/complaint about it. Part of immigration's job is to keep out undesirables who commit crimes, especially in Thailand which is why they were arrested when they returned to Thailand. 

[tomazbodner]

41 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

Allegedly 'stiffed'..... and on the basis of these allegations for not paying for their meal, Thailand had put out a full country wide alert at all land crossings, ports and airfields for this pair! Haha    Pull the other one.

 

Maybe you didn't know that the immigration and police computer systems are now linked. Every immigration officer has access to entire history and any alerts for any individual entering or leaving the country. On one of my last entries the immigration officer stamped my PR booklet but not passport (or maybe the other way around, can't remember), so when realising that during work permit extension, I went back to Suvarnabhumi with the copy of flight itinerary and all my documents. The officer told me to wait and went inside... returned 20-25 minutes later with dot matrix printed out my entire history since 1995... and a phone snap of me standing in front of officer on that entry confirming my story. The days of disconnected records are over a while back.

 

At my previous place, a British guy borrowed actually quite a lot from me, with story that his ATM card was damaged and his wife had birthday, etc. etc. anyway, a month or so later I asked about him at reception, and they wondered how I know him... told them the story and they responded he stole stuff out of the room, little by little, and disappeared without paying his rent.

 

I took it as a lesson and didn't want to file police report against him, but the owner of that property took copies of his travel documents to police and reported incident. I saw him at Asoke a good month later, conning some foreigners in front of Robinson but didn't do anything, however told reception about it. I know he was arrested by Thonglor police a couple of days later and spent significant amount of time in Suan Phlu immigration jail, eventually deported and blacklisted.

 

I don't want to write his name here, given Thailand's defamation laws.

[jippytum]

It is hard to envisage your condo being worth less than outstanding maintenance  arrears plus interest unless there is perhaps a loan involved that you have not mentioned.

Eventually the management will legally sell the property via the court and when outstanding dues and court fees have been paid from the sale price any surplus would be repaid to you.

If you want to sell now the buyer would have to pay the outstanding fees before exchange as a debt free letter is required from the condo management prior to sale .

This would be a civil not criminal matter.

 

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Ohyesuare said:

Not paying for a meal is theft which would be on record if the hotel filed a police report/complaint about it. Part of immigration's job is to keep out undesirables who commit crimes, especially in Thailand which is why they were arrested when they returned to Thailand. 

If you say so.

 

I somehow doubt that every police report is monitored in some way by Thai immigration. People who don't pay for a meal are not nice but we don't know the full story and in any case not what most folks would label as undesirables who should be barred from entry to a country. 

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

If you say so.

 

I somehow doubt that every police report is monitored in some way by Thai immigration. People who don't pay for a meal are not nice but we don't know the full story and in any case not what most folks would label as undesirables who should be barred from entry to a country. 

Correct, maybe the food was shlte, I have been to a restaurant like that before where I wanted to walk out.

[metisdead]

Some inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Jingthing]

Not paying condo fees is not a police matter. Eventually the building administration would take ownership but that could take years.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Jingthing

[happydreamer]

Would you do that in your own country?  If not then why would you do it here?  

[natway09]

If you really want out why not sell for the  "outstanding debts on it owed.

You can clear any liability  & not have to worry.

Stay in Thailand & living on what ????

Is this a bit of a troll post  ?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, happydreamer said:

Would you do that in your own country?  If not then why would you do it here?  

People abandon properties everywhere.

[HashBrownHarry]

14 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

The ongoing problem could also involve you personal credit rating, possibly never get a loan again. 

Seems like poor management to me.

 

Unless you have a WP it's very very difficult to get any sort of loan here ( going thru the correct channels )

[blackcab]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not paying condo fees is not a police matter. Eventually the building administration would take ownership but that could take years.

 

The juristic person can't take ownership of the property directly, any more than you or I could. There is no mechanism in Thai law that allows them to do this.

 

What often happens is that the debt is taken to Court. The Court makes an order, and the Legal Execution Department then seize the property and sell it. Any monies received are used to pay creditors, legal fees, charges and interest.

 

In reality what can happen is that either:

 

1. Someone, perhaps part of the juristic management office, illegally changes the lock on the unit's door, seizes control of the unit and rents it out to an unsuspecting tenant. The condominium maintenance staff repair the unit using materials paid for from the building common fees, and the rent money vanishes every month.

 

Very unscrupulous staff also find a way to get electric and/or water to the unit for free, charge the unsuspecting tenant and pocket that money aswell.

 

Or the unit is rented out on Airbnb.

 

2. Someone from the building management or the building committee buy the unit from the Legal Execution Department for a below average price and then use condominium staff and materials to repair the unit and then rent the unit out from the management office.

[VIPinLanna]

Thanks for all'  advice. Money is not the problem. I am returning to Thailand soon for the first time in a few years due pandemic.

Guess I will deal with it when the time comes but it needs some cosmetic and built in furniture repairs or replacements

Something I don't look forward to dealing with nor sure that I want to live in there anymore. 

 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

12 hours ago, Chris.B said:

 

How are they going to sue him if they don't know where he lives? 

 

The condo management have the authority to order Thai immigration to stop someone leaving Thailand on the basis of a "pending court legal case"?  55555 

 

 

They can file a report at the police. The police will know where he is when he does 90 reporting, gets a new visa, wants to leave the country. It isn't rocket science.

Edited December 4, 2021 by FritsSikkink

[Fairynuff]

11 hours ago, soi3eddie said:

I'm curious to know what the fees are and how they came to be in such arrears. Surely any fees would be less than paying rent unless you are planning to rent a Thai style room for 3,000 Baht/Month? Or was there some large one-off maintenance fee? Where is the condo located, how big is it, how much did you pay, how much have you been trying to sell for and where/how was it advertised? And what would you accept as a price to sell and get yourself out of this anxious situation? Could be a lesson for many here who own condos. Please share.

Looks much more than curiosity to me. Shouldn’t you have messaged privately rather than ask him to share his woes in public?

[Fairynuff]

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

we don't know the full story and in any case not what most folks would label as undesirables

The story is that they committed a criminal act. That makes them undesirable in almost any country. 

[Fairynuff]

3 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Correct, maybe the food was shlte, I have been to a restaurant like that before where I wanted to walk out.

There’s a big difference between wanting to and actually doing it. 

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Unless you have a WP it's very very difficult to get any sort of loan here ( going thru the correct channels )

I was offered a car loan from a major Honda dealer based on pink card and visa status, though I didn’t take the offer so can’t say it would’ve come to fruition.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, blackcab said:

1. Someone, perhaps part of the juristic management office, illegally changes the lock on the unit's door, seizes control of the unit and rents it out to an unsuspecting tenant. The condominium maintenance staff repair the unit using materials paid for from the building common fees, and the rent money vanishes every month.

 

Very unscrupulous staff also find a way to get electric and/or water to the unit for free, charge the unsuspecting tenant and pocket that money aswell.

 

Or the unit is rented out on Airbnb.

 

2. Someone from the building management or the building committee buy the unit from the Legal Execution Department for a below average price and then use condominium staff and materials to repair the unit and then rent the unit out from the management office.

I can’t say this wouldn’t happen of course, it’s Thailand, but I can tell you that I’m aware that in my condo a sale was forced by the juristic office through the courts.

[HashBrownHarry]

5 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

I was offered a car loan from a major Honda dealer based on pink card and visa status, though I didn’t take the offer so can’t say it would’ve come to fruition.

It's finance you were offered by a dealer, not a loan per se, as in bank.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, blackcab said:

 

The juristic person can't take ownership of the property directly, any more than you or I could. There is no mechanism in Thai law that allows them to do this.

 

What often happens is that the debt is taken to Court. The Court makes an order, and the Legal Execution Department then seize the property and sell it. Any monies received are used to pay creditors, legal fees, charges and interest.

 

In reality what can happen is that either:

 

1. Someone, perhaps part of the juristic management office, illegally changes the lock on the unit's door, seizes control of the unit and rents it out to an unsuspecting tenant. The condominium maintenance staff repair the unit using materials paid for from the building common fees, and the rent money vanishes every month.

 

Very unscrupulous staff also find a way to get electric and/or water to the unit for free, charge the unsuspecting tenant and pocket that money aswell.

 

Or the unit is rented out on Airbnb.

 

2. Someone from the building management or the building committee buy the unit from the Legal Execution Department for a below average price and then use condominium staff and materials to repair the unit and then rent the unit out from the management office.

In any case the fees are eventually paid one way or another. When an expat does abandon a condo here I don't think it puts them into criminal legal trouble or would be of interest to immigration except to hear about their new address if still in Thailand.

[blackcab]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In any case the fees are eventually paid one way or another. When an expat does abandon a condo here I don't think it puts them into criminal legal trouble or would be of interest to immigration except to hear about their new address if still in Thailand.

 

You're right. Abandoning a condo in Thailand is not a criminal matter. It's a civil matter which is of zero interest to immigration.