THE WEEK THAT WAS On racism and stereotyping in Thailand

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Of course there is no problem saying that black guy over there!

Of course if that black guy is wearing a pink sombrero it would be more fun to refer to that.

Why would you find someone wearing a pink sombrero funny? Is it because they don't conform to your idea of the 'norm'? The sombrero is part of the national clothes of Mexico. Do you find Mexicans funny? Or is it the colour of pink you find funny? A colour associated with the LGBT? 

 

I bet you wouldn't dare substitute 'a pink sombrero' with 'a pink reggae hat' (rastacap)! 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Chris.B

[fangless]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its well known in the UK . 

 

Code	Ethnicity[3]
IC1	White - North European
IC2	White - South European
IC3	Black
IC4	Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5	Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6	Arab or North African
IC9	Unknown

So it uses colour!

It does not answer the basic question of how do I describe someone to the police etc?

 

PS;  I note from the WiKi link that this is UK only!

Edited December 19, 2021 by fangless
PS added

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Chris.B said:

Why would you find someone wearing a pink sombrero funny? Is it because they don't conform to your idea of the 'norm'? The sombrero is part of the national clothes of Mexico. Do you find Mexicans funny? Or is it the colour of pink you find funny? A colour associated with the LGBT? 

 

I bet you wouldn't dare substitute 'a pink sombrero' with 'a pink reggae hat' (rastacap)! 

 

 

 

 

No comment.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Jingthing

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, fangless said:

So every citizen will be taught this code will they?

Which countries does it apply to and what is the definition of IC 3 please?

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IC codes (identity code) or 6+1 codes are codes used by the British police in radio communications and crime recording systems to describe the apparent ethnicity of a suspect or victim.^[1] Originating in the late 1970s, the codes are based on a police officer's perceived view of an individual's ethnicity based on a visual assessment, as opposed to that individual's self-definition.^[2][3] In most circumstances where an individual's ethnicity is recorded after spoken contact with police (such as a "stop and search" or arrest), in addition to visual assessment police are also required to use the more extensive "16+1" self defined ethnicity codes, "even if the category chosen is clearly at odds with the officer’s visual assessment".^[3]

Code	Ethnicity[3]
IC1	White - North European
IC2	White - South European
IC3	Black
IC4	Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5	Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6	Arab or North African
IC9	Unknown

Edited December 19, 2021 by RJRS1301

[Purdey]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hi there , I do think that you are in the wrong thread  , did you come to the right place ?

You mean we have to give examples of racism instead of examples of acceptance?

[Chris.B]

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IC codes (identity code) or 6+1 codes are codes used by the British police in radio communications and crime recording systems to describe the apparent ethnicity of a suspect or victim.^[1] Originating in the late 1970s, the codes are based on a police officer's perceived view of an individual's ethnicity based on a visual assessment, as opposed to that individual's self-definition.^[2][3] In most circumstances where an individual's ethnicity is recorded after spoken contact with police (such as a "stop and search" or arrest), in addition to visual assessment police are also required to use the more extensive "16+1" self defined ethnicity codes, "even if the category chosen is clearly at odds with the officer’s visual assessment".^[3]

Code	Ethnicity[3]
IC1	White - North European
IC2	White - South European
IC3	Black
IC4	Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5	Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6	Arab or North African
IC9	Unknown

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Edited December 19, 2021 by Chris.B

[fangless]

Just now, Chris.B said:

They left the Russians and Poles out? ????

Cause they are Poles apart?

Is that comment racist?

[Chris.B]

3 minutes ago, fangless said:

Cause they are Poles apart?

Is that comment racist?

I find that comment extremely racialist!  ????

 

[bendejo]

My attitude regarding who gets to call who a racist will be re-evaluated when Black celebrities on US television start getting cancelled for making remarks about White people. 

 

 

[fangless]

5 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

I find that comment extremely racialist!  ????

 

poles apart

 

1. Very different or opposite in behavior or beliefs. My sister and I are very close now, but we were poles apart growing up and fought all the time. They make such an unlikely couple—though they are poles apart in many ways, they complement each other really well.

2. In total opposition. Unfortunately, the two sides are still poles apart in their negotiations. They agreed to tackle the issue together, even though they remained poles apart.

Source;

Poles apart - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

 

NB;  "Poles apart" comes from the North and South Poles separation!!

Edited December 19, 2021 by fangless

[Chris.B]

11 minutes ago, fangless said:

poles apart

 

1. Very different or opposite in behavior or beliefs. My sister and I are very close now, but we were poles apart growing up and fought all the time. They make such an unlikely couple—though they are poles apart in many ways, they complement each other really well.

2. In total opposition. Unfortunately, the two sides are still poles apart in their negotiations. They agreed to tackle the issue together, even though they remained poles apart.

Source;

Poles apart - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

 

NB;  "Poles apart" comes from the North and South Poles separation!!

????

[roo860]

1 hour ago, sambum said:

A few years ago in the UK, we use to refer to a Chinese meal as a "Chinky" but it certainly wasn't meant to be offensive!

Still do.

[DefaultName]

In my first job after leaving white Scotland (mid 70's when even an Englishman was a rarity outside of the pretty bits) I referred to my supervisor as a <deleted>.  My experience of other nationalities was severely limited - mainly to takeaway food - and I had no idea that it was any more offensive than calling me a Jock.  He wouldn't take an explanation or an apology.  I got hauled to personnel, black mark on my record, and a lecture.  I got a bit prejudiced right there and then.  

[RichardColeman]

I grew up in the 70's and late teens early 80's.

 

I did not care half the duo of Pryor and Wilder was black - they were both funny, I did not care half the crew of the Enterprise was not the same ethnic group as me - it was great TV. We all laughed at Alf Garnett as we knew we laughed at him not with him. We never really saw colour.

 

Now though I think I am slightly more racist, but not so far as it effecting the way I deal with people. It just tends to go through my head now when i hear about yet another London black gang stabbing or another black lives matter riot and mass shop theft or another bunch of pedo muslim asians being tried passing around 13 year old white girls. Or another killer disease caused by the Chinese race's desire to eat every wild life under the sun. Maybe it's the media making me think bad things about other ethnic groups, but i cant help getting angry. I do not think people can be made to feel bad for thinking bad thoughts about other races when they are constantly bombarded with images and stories of it.

 

I do not think many of us are racist - most of us love asian ladies and have asian wives, we have not married than as we want to punish or belittle them !! I have certainly be more racially abuse by them than the other way round - one example of a taxi driver saying there was a smell in the taxi after i got in and saying bad things to my wife about me for the entire 3km trip.

 

I am not a fan of eddie murphy, but he did a set once that talked about white people not being able to dance.  Am I offended by his stereotyping of my 'whiteness' ? Not in the least.Though I wonder if the woke ridden BBC would ban it these days on behalf the the people that are not offended.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Spock]

I would like to believe I am not racist, and when it comes to judging people on an individual basis, I believe I am not. However, there are certain countries in which practices and behaviours exist that I consider unacceptable, and sometimes morally reprehensible. As a result, I dislike that country and by implication, perhaps many people in those countries who practice those behaviours or habits.

 

As a dog lover, I abhor the capture and killing on a large scale of dogs in at least 3 countries, often in a very cruel manner. The more affluent and civilised the country purports to be, the more critical I am of this practice and the government approved proliferation of these killings. 

 

Similarly, there are several countries whose political stance against minorities and their neighbours I consider to be unacceptable. 

 

I don't wish to be anymore specific. I am prepared to judge people from these countries on these merits, but I guess the countries themselves are not on my itinerary as places I intend to visit. 

 

I also cannot recall a country I have visited in which its citizens didn't hold negative views of ethnic or minority groups or other countries. 

 

It would be really nice if we could all believe that people of all creeds and colours are equal and have the same right to automatic respect. On a country's basis, my respect has to be earned. On a personal basis, I judge people as they come.

[bendejo]

38 minutes ago, fangless said:

poles apart

Poles Apart is a series of pornographic movies involving 2 male-1 female throuples. 

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Nazi symbols are frowned upon and are offensive to the Western World , many Countries in the World would view the British army uniform as being equally offensive , the Chinese view the Japanese army uniform as being offensive and the Vietnamese view the Chinese army uniform as being offensive  .

   Some people are upset by the confederate flag and some are upset by the hammer and Sycle flag .

The nazi uniform is not offensive simply because it is the uniform of an old adversary. The same goes for the confederate flag. There is a wider reason why these symbols are offensive.

[BritManToo]

Just now, ozimoron said:

The nazi uniform is not offensive simply because it is the uniform of an old adversary. The same goes for the confederate flag. There is a wider reason why these symbols are offensive.

They don't offend me.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

They don't offend me.

I'm not shocked.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm not shocked.

You're not even American, why would what happens in a country half the world away concern you?

Edited December 19, 2021 by BritManToo

[fangless]

12 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Poles Apart is a series of pornographic movies involving 2 male-1 female throuples. 

 

 

 

Was it in Black and White or colour?

????

 

PS; is the above comment offensive to anyone?

Edited December 19, 2021 by fangless

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The nazi uniform is not offensive simply because it is the uniform of an old adversary. The same goes for the confederate flag. There is a wider reason why these symbols are offensive.

Only offensive to the people who are aware of its significance . 

[allanos]

 I almost never read the OP's posts as I find his style of self-taught "journalism" just doesn't resonate with me.  Today, on a whim, I thought the topic might be interesting, (it wasn't particularly), so I skimmed through it.

 

What I have found interesting, though, is the number of comments and observations it has engendered. It seems we all have a view on racism.

 

And this is precisely the point. Who decides for us what is racist? It is largely the left-wing thought police, who see racism lurking behind every metaphorical tree, and are quick to pounce, to call it out, and to virtue signal that there is not a racist bone in their bodies.

 

On this forum, the usual suspects come to the fore, as is to be expected.

 

Racism is in the eye of the beholder!

 

One thing that is clear to me, more particularly in recent times, is that "racism", whatever that is, or bigotry, is a one-way street.  In other words, only white people can be racist. It seems that "people of colour" (for want of a better expression and not to cause affront to liberals) cannot be racist (even when they are)!

 

Western governments and the MSM, which is largely made up of the liberal left, have made it their self-appointed task to indoctrinate us in the evils (and supposed perils) of being a racist in the modern world. A show like "Love thy neighbour" or "Faulty Towers", especially with its episode about "ze Germans" and "not mentioning the War", could never see the light of day in the present era. Yet isn't it all about balance?

 

The world is being "zombified" before our very eyes, and no one seems capable of being able to stand up to it! 

 

I picked out some of the link from JT's post below, which, in my opinion is largely, if not completely, true.

 

Harvard government professor Harvey Mansfield, writing on the conservative Wall Street Journal op-ed page, Andrew McCarthy in National Review, and Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute, all have argued that systemic racism is nothing but a term designed to lay a guilt trip on white people and also explain away the continuing failure of Black people to take responsibility for their own inadequacies.

 

I, for one, would like to be shown where, exactly, "systemic" racism exists, because it seems to me that the reverse is true.

 

 

 

[fangless]

8 minutes ago, allanos said:

One thing that is clear to me, more particularly in recent times, is that "racism", whatever that is, or bigotry, is a one-way street.  In other words, only white people can be racist. It seems that "people of colour" (for want of a better expression and not to cause affront to liberals) cannot be racist (even when they are)!

Well said!

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by fangless

[Longwood50]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Lately, right-wingers have been on something of a tear denying the existence of “systemic racism

Actually it is the opposite.  It is only the left wingers who keep pointing to systematic racism as a phenomena.  

Is there Racism.  Yes but the constant media hype is about causing it to re-ignite it and inflame it.  You see when a police officer is white and the person arrested is black, the media goes out of its way to point that out.  When it is a black police officer arresting a white suspect no mention of it is made. 

When you constantly inject the persons race into absolutely every aspect of life you are indoctrinating the public that someone's race is of such importance that it must be mentioned.  Thereby that feeds the notion that somehow race must be important since it is constantly noted. 
 

Does racism exist, yes but I do think the term is used excessively and often as a crutch by minorities to somehow provide a mental excuse for things that happen to them.  I didn't get the job because " I was being discriminated against"  They  took the other person first, because " I am being discriminated against"  I did not get accepted into the college I wanted because " I am being discriminated against" 

If there is systematic racism it is actually the reverse of what is portrayed. 

1. Only minorities get special job protections and allow them to sue employers for discharge just by claiming racism. 
2. Only minorities get special consideration that excludes their academic performance but considers their skin color to gain admission to college even though others were more academically qualified. 
3. Only minorities get special "affirmative action goals" that require employers to hire minorities even if better qualified candidates are available. 
4. Only minorities get special contract set asides by government contracts again mandating that all or a specific percentage of the work must be done my minority contractors. 
5. Only minorities have laws passed requiring corporations to have a a representation of minorities on their boards. 

That sir, is systematic racism. 

I don't know if you have children but for those that do, try treating one of your children different, more favorably with preferential treatment over the other and see if that does not breed resentment.  The same is true of society in general when the public can certainly see that they are not receiving the same treatment as their fellow citizens. 



 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Longwood50

[mancub]

1 hour ago, sambum said:

Was the Labour Party on the go just after the Battle of Hastings? ???? 

Does the Tapestry not portray  Ye Olde King Harald of Wilson ? 

[bbbbooboo]

Hmmm…. Racism in Thailand?……. Surely not……

[fangless]

28 minutes ago, mancub said:

Does the Tapestry not portray  Ye Olde King Harald of Wilson ? 

That's one in the eye for you said the bloody foreigners!!

 

PS;  Is "bloody foreigners" racist?

Edited December 19, 2021 by fangless

[Megasin1]

4 pages of comments, probably the most achieved in a long time, but is it journalism and where is the context and substance ? As the Western press deem it necessary to ram a Woke and leftist righteousness down our throats is this not just an attempt by the OP to jump on the bandwagon ? You could rarely accuse asiennow of journalism. It is a copying service, need i say more ? True racism is delivered with malicious intent and hatred and should be dealt with appropriately like any other behaviour that is delivered so. Should we be remorseful for our past behaviour, well unless we've done something horrific then probably not as for society to advance there's no point constantly dwelling on the past. Unfortunately there are national stereotypes, its a consequence of their governments and education and not just their skin colour. My ex made me wince 2 days ago when she said that Omicron would be brought into Thailand by Farangs and spread by them and I felt obliged to point out it was already there and had been bought in by Thais. This was unusual for me as unlike Jehovahs Witnesses or the so called press I am usually laid back, don't force my views on others, let bygones be bygones and allow everyone a chance to have their own views, whatever they may be. I would like to wish you all a merry Christmas which isn't an over privileged white Christian desire, its just a desire for you all to have a nice time so if you are offended then simply don't accept it. ????????????????????

[futsukayoi]

6 hours ago, The Cipher said:

The number of overtly racist comments on this board is mind blowingly high. "The Russians" "The Indians "The Chinese", it's nuts.

 

But at the same time I don't think it's racism born of malice so much as it is an expression of frustration by older people who have seen people of other cultures advance in the world and feel that said advancement has come at their own expense.

 

Many older farang don't feel as important as they used to, and that loss in status has made them bitter. ????‍♂️

I suspect many of the comments you object to are from those with longer and deeper experience of the real word.  Probably those brought up in a time when people could think and analyse for themselves rather than those brainwashed into woke groupthink.  They have probably worked out that different cultral and historical backgrounds do mean that different groups around the world do tend to have different behavious, motivations etc (good or bad).

 

I also suspect they probably feel it is pretty hypocritical and extreme agist bigot trying to lecture on everyone is the same.