Why Unvaccinated People Are Being Denied Organ Transplants

[Jeffr2]

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-unvaccinated-people-are-being-denied-organ-transplants

 

• Experts say there are a number of reasons they prefer organ transplant recipients receive vaccinations against COVID-19 as well as other diseases before surgery.
• They say a vaccinated person has a better chance of surviving the transplant if they are vaccinated beforehand.
• They also note that organ transplant recipients are also at higher risk of hospitalization and death from COVID-19 than the general public.

[mommysboy]

Not really reasons to deny transplants though.... unless the no vaccine no transplant rule applies to all vaccines.  I don't understand why people won't get vaccinated though.

 

Possibly, this is another example how accepted axioms and practices seemed to have been turned upside down by covid, which after all is just one of many viruses.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Well , explain what they are .

You have just posted a link and C&Ped a few bullet points , which doesnt give any explanation 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

Not really reasons to deny transplants though.... unless the no vaccine no transplant rule applies to all vaccines.  I don't understand why people won't get vaccinated though.

 

 

I believe that when doctors do transplants they need to switch off the persons immune system, so the body doesn't reject the transplanted organ and thats makes the person more susceptible to contracting Covid 

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Not really reasons to deny transplants though.... unless the no vaccine no transplant rule applies to all vaccines.  I don't understand why people won't get vaccinated though.

 

Possibly, this is another example how accepted axioms and practices seemed to have been turned upside down by covid, which after all is just one of many viruses.

This is the recommendations of the doctors. Kinda hard to argue with them.

 

And no, it's not just one of many viruses. It's a once in a lifetime thing.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well , explain what they are .

You have just posted a link and C&Ped a few bullet points , which doesnt give any explanation 

Read the article

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I believe that when doctors do transplants they need to switch off the persons immune system, so the body doesn't reject the transplanted organ and thats makes the person more susceptible to contracting Covid 

Exactly!

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Read the article

No, Forums are for discussion , not for giving people links to read , so I wont be opening the link

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, Forums are for discussion , not for giving people links to read , so I wont be opening the link

Difficult to have a discussion based on the OP article if you won't read it ????

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, Forums are for discussion , not for giving people links to read , so I wont be opening the link

Figures.

[JustAnotherHun]

Wow! 2 (TWO) unvaxxed patients were denied?

At least worth another thread in TVF ????

[Jeffr2]

Just now, JustAnotherHun said:

Wow! 2 (TWO) unvaxxed patients were denied?

At least worth another thread in TVF ????

Nope. Many more. Just 2 mentioned in the article.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Difficult to have a discussion based on the OP article if you won't read it ????

OK, no discussion then 

[mommysboy]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I believe that when doctors do transplants they need to switch off the persons immune system, so the body doesn't reject the transplanted organ and thats makes the person more susceptible to contracting Covid 

What I mean is it makes them susceptible to all manner of diseases.

 

To elaborate, if it is currently a rule that they won't operate on someone without a flu vaccine either, then ok there is logic here.

 

But if it's just covid then that doesn't maske sense really.

 

Especially as Omicron really appears to be less harmful than flu on an individual basis (not communal though).

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, Forums are for discussion , not for giving people links to read , so I wont be opening the link

And that is exactly why links in this forum are absolutely forbidden... oh wait a minute.

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-unvaccinated-people-are-being-denied-organ-transplants

 

• Experts say there are a number of reasons they prefer organ transplant recipients receive vaccinations against COVID-19 as well as other diseases before surgery.
• They say a vaccinated person has a better chance of surviving the transplant if they are vaccinated beforehand.
• They also note that organ transplant recipients are also at higher risk of hospitalization and death from COVID-19 than the general public.

Another one here! Crazy, rather die than get a vaccine, well thats your choice then

 

‘I will die free’: Unvaccinated Burke County man denied kidney transplant by hospital

 

BURKE COUNTY, N.C. — A Burke County man’s decision not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine means he also won’t be getting a much-needed kidney transplant.

Chad Carswell, a double amputee who has undergone several major surgeries on his heart, now faces a different battle. Carswell told Channel 9′s Dave Faherty his kidney is only operating at about 4%.

Dialysis three times a week keeps him going, but the solution is temporary.

 

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/i-will-die-free-unvaccinated-burke-county-man-denied-kidney-transplant-by-hospital/OJGAFURR4FGERJB7VT24P5RED4/

Edited February 2, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And that is exactly why links in this forum are absolutely forbidden... oh wait a minute.

The idea is to write something yourself and then back it up with links, rather than just posting links without writing anything yourself 

[Jeffr2]

21 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

What I mean is it makes them susceptible to all manner of diseases.

 

To elaborate, if it is currently a rule that they won't operate on someone without a flu vaccine either, then ok there is logic here.

 

But if it's just covid then that doesn't maske sense really.

 

Especially as Omicron really appears to be less harmful than flu on an individual basis (not communal though).

Ridiculous to try and compare the flu with covid. Come on.

[mommysboy]

21 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Ridiculous to try and compare the flu with covid. Come on.

Quite right, Omicron is really less dangerous on an individual basis.

 

Your arguments would apply to Delta though, but that is yesterday's variant hopefully.

 

I think perceptions are really going to be shaped by the experience of your home country.  Mine are shaped by the UK.

 

What is sure is that Omicron is a game changer though, so the rules that applied even 1 month ago are now totally over the top.

[Scott]

The immune system has one job and that is to distinguish between self and other.  If it is you or a part of you, then it does not mount a defense.  If it is other, then the immune system reacts, sometimes very aggressively and quickly.

 

Any time an organ from someone else is put in your body, it is identified as other and the body is programmed to attack.  To prevent this, some very strong drugs are given to suppress the immune system, particularly the CD4+ T cells.  

 

The suppression of the immune system leaves the recipient vulnerable to a host of diseases.  Vaccines for most of the common diseases is required because there will be no immunity to them and the immune system will not be able to mount an immune response when massively suppressed.  

 

Until well after the transplant, there is a big fear of rejection so any adjustment to the suppressing drugs takes a long time.  Nearly all recipients will require drugs to control rejection for their life-time.  Maybe if you have an identical twin, rejection might not be a problem.

 

Covid is highly contagious and there is a significant chance of contracting it.  I have no idea how you would even begin to treat a person with an organ transplant and a suppressed immune system.  

 

With organs in high demand, it's probably best to pass it on to someone with a better chance of it being a successful procedure.  

[Polar Bear]

In the US, it's common to make vaccinations a condition just to get on the waiting list, usually at least hepatitis and flu, sometimes MMR as well, this is just one more added to the list. Lifestyle changes are also often mandatory. The supply is so limited, priority is a based on a mixture of need and likely best outcome. 

[Jeffr2]

8 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Quite right, Omicron is really less dangerous on an individual basis.

 

Your arguments would apply to Delta though, but that is yesterday's variant hopefully.

 

I think perceptions are really going to be shaped by the experience of your home country.  Mine are shaped by the UK.

 

What is sure is that Omicron is a game changer though, so the rules that applied even 1 month ago are now totally over the top.

Sure, less deadly on an individual basis, but more deadly overall.  More deaths now than at the height of Delta.  And more disruptions.  Thus, Omicron is hardly mild.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Not really reasons to deny transplants though.... unless the no vaccine no transplant rule applies to all vaccines.  I don't understand why people won't get vaccinated though.

 

Possibly, this is another example how accepted axioms and practices seemed to have been turned upside down by covid, which after all is just one of many viruses.

I have no problem with denying transplants to people for all sorts of reasons. There will probably never be enough donors to satisfy demand, so anything to reduce demand is probably legitimate.

[BritManToo]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I have no problem with denying transplants to people for all sorts of reasons. There will probably never be enough donors to satisfy demand, so anything to reduce demand is probably legitimate.

I don't believe in organ transplants full stop.

There are better ways to use the resources.

Edited February 3, 2022 by BritManToo

[Credo]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe in organ transplants full stop.

There are better ways to use the resources.

I get the feeling that while most people are striving for herd immunity, you are viewing thinning the herd as the way to go.  If that's the case, you might be right, but it might be better for all of us to do so in a more manageable manner.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe in organ transplants full stop.

There are better ways to use the resources.

Having worked in a post liver transplant unit I agree, but that's a subject for a different thread.

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe in organ transplants full stop.

There are better ways to use the resources.

A bit heartless for those in dire need.  Like ones with hereditary diseases or those in accidents.  I'd say this is a good way to use the resorces.  Save lives.

[IAMHERE]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I believe that when doctors do transplants they need to switch off the persons immune system, so the body doesn't reject the transplanted organ and thats makes the person more susceptible to contracting Covid 

I thought 'they' had already admitted that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid; the vaccine just makes the symptoms less.  

[wombat]

Just checking....the jab doesn't stop you getting covid it only stops the severity?

[Jeffr2]

It does help prevent getting the virus.  The key word here is "incidence".

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm?s_cid=mm7105e1_w

As of January 8, 2022, during Omicron predominance, COVID-19 incidence and hospitalization rates in Los Angeles County among unvaccinated persons were 3.6 and 23.0 times, respectively, those of fully vaccinated persons with a booster, and 2.0 and 5.3 times, respectively, those among fully vaccinated persons without a booster. During both Delta and Omicron predominance, incidence and hospitalization rates were highest among unvaccinated persons and lowest among vaccinated persons with a booster.

 

What are the implications for public health practice?

Being up to date with COVID-19 vaccination is critical to protecting against SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization.