Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Saanim]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What you failed to mention is that Russia is denying the IEAE access to inspect the plants. Are the Wall St. Journal and Reuters mainstream enough for you?

I did not failed to mention anything about denied access by Russians, I would not know that. The source you provided (Reuters) has failed to mention it either:

 

VIENNA, June 6 (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog is working on sending an international mission of experts to the Russian-held nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia in Ukraine, Europe's largest, its chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Grossi has for months said that the situation at Zaporizhzhia, where Ukrainian staff are working under Russian orders, poses a safety risk and said he wants to lead a mission there.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Saanim said:

Actually, there are only 4 nuclear power plants in Ukraine. And the biggest one, in Zaporizhzhia, currently under Russian control, was of a serious concern of Mr. Grossi,  the boss of IAEA.   After it was found that the UKR had stored there a huge stock o plutonium and enriched uranium - and he was reminded in Davos - he declared that he will go to see it there what's that about.

 

Since that it has not been much reported about that visiting - or did I miss it? But as usually, what's not reported by MSM, it has not happened, has it?

Very misleading. It was of concern and the reason it was of concern is that the power plant is under Russian control:

 

"Mr Grossi added that the IAEA is seeking to visit Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station, under occupation by Russian forces, to verify that the 30,000 kg of plutonium and 40,000 kg of enriched uranium stored there have not been deviated for other uses."

 

Yes you did miss an update on the 24th June direct from IAEA and Grossi where again he expressed his concern because of the Russian control of the plant:

 

“The situation at this major nuclear power plant is clearly untenable. We are informed that Ukrainian staff are operating the facility under extremely stressful conditions while the site is under the control of Russian armed forces. The recent reports are very troubling and further deepen my concern about the well-being of personnel there,” he said.

 

Further underlining the necessity of an IAEA-led mission travelling to the facility in southern Ukraine, several other safety and security pillars have also been compromised at the ZNPP in recent months, including those regarding the physical integrity of nuclear facilities, secure off-site power supplies, and uninterrupted logistical supply chains, he said.

 

In relation to safeguards, IAEA inspectors and safeguards technicians must carry out important verification activities at the site, where large amounts of nuclear material are present.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-82-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine

 

Also, here's a fact check for you:

Russian media also write that Rafael Grossi has expressed fears that several hundred kilograms of nuclear-weapons materials could disappear from the nuclear power plant. This is not true: IAEA Director did not say that.

https://voxukraine.org/en/false-there-are-30-tons-of-plutonium-and-40-tons-of-enriched-uranium-stored-at-the-zaporizhzhia-npp-which-can-be-used-to-create-weapons/

 

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, Saanim said:

I did not failed to mention anything about denied access by Russians, I would not know that. The source you provided (Reuters) has failed to mention it either:

 

VIENNA, June 6 (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog is working on sending an international mission of experts to the Russian-held nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia in Ukraine, Europe's largest, its chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Grossi has for months said that the situation at Zaporizhzhia, where Ukrainian staff are working under Russian orders, poses a safety risk and said he wants to lead a mission there.

Sure. He's said for months that he wants to lead a mission there and it hasn't yet happened. How disingenuous are you?

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Saanim said:

Actually, there are only 4 nuclear power plants in Ukraine. And the biggest one, in Zaporizhzhia, currently under Russian control, was of a serious concern of Mr. Grossi,  the boss of IAEA.   After it was found that the UKR had stored there a huge stock o plutonium and enriched uranium - and he was reminded in Davos - he declared that he will go to see it there what's that about.

 

Since that it has not been much reported about that visiting - or did I miss it? But as usually, what's not reported by MSM, it has not happened, has it?

do you have any link to support such a statement, I guess not or you would have posted it as for the rest of your post it's misleading as well, kindly refer to @placeholder and @Bkk Brianposts and get updated

Edited July 12, 2022 by Mavideol

[Kwasaki]

Link not found. 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Kwasaki

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

do you have any link to support such a statement, I guess not or you would have posted it as for the rest of your post it's misleading as well, kindly refer to @placeholder and @Bkk Brianposts and get updated

I do not know what's your comment about. Did my remark say something different than Bkk Brian placed above (Mr. Grossi added ...)?

 

Anyway, I have reacted on the remark that the IAEA access was denied by Russians. I did not find any link to such statement, did you? 

 

But the problem is that the information flow is not always fully available. That's why recently Noam Chomsky remarked that the censorship has reached a level beyond anything in his lifetime. 

 

 

[tgw]

Ukraine nuclear inspectorate accuses IAEA of falling for Russian propaganda

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-nuclear-inspectorate-accuses-iaea-falling-russian-propaganda-2022-05-27/

 

https://www.energyintel.com/00000181-20cc-db9d-a9eb-f7ef22ac0000

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the source said he was "flabbergasted" that Grossi didn't clarify that the material was contained in nuclear fuel, and he added that "it's now becoming a sort of open secret that he wants to run for secretary general after [current UN Secretary General Antonio] Guterres," whose term expires in 2026. Grossi could "have said, 'you know there's so much plutonium in the spent fuel' ... but then that takes away the oomph of the statement."

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by tgw

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Saanim said:

I do not know what's your comment about. Did my remark say something different than Bkk Brian placed above (Mr. Grossi added ...)?

 

Anyway, I have reacted on the remark that the IAEA access was denied by Russians. I did not find any link to such statement, did you? 

 

But the problem is that the information flow is not always fully available. That's why recently Noam Chomsky remarked that the censorship has reached a level beyond anything in his lifetime. 

 

 

Yes your remark was misleading, completely out of context with no links and different to what I said so please don't bring me into your misleading statements, you may want to look at the fact check I also posted. As for censorship yes the Russian's are good at this:

 

VIDEO: Head of RT News Margarita Simonyan admits that for 10 years or more, she's been dreaming about censorship, banning Western media and Russia becoming like China by achieving total information control. Most of all, Simonyan doesn't want the idea of freedom to ever come back to Moscow.

 

 

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, Saanim said:

I do not know what's your comment about. Did my remark say something different than Bkk Brian placed above (Mr. Grossi added ...)?

 

Anyway, I have reacted on the remark that the IAEA access was denied by Russians. I did not find any link to such statement, did you? 

 

But the problem is that the information flow is not always fully available. That's why recently Noam Chomsky remarked that the censorship has reached a level beyond anything in his lifetime. 

 

 

 as I said, your post was misleading and not worth any further comment from my side, feel free to refer to the above posts whereby you will find more then enough evidence to contradict you

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

Another blow for Putin.....Keep it coming chaps.....

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/latest-himars-rocket-strike-kills-195113929.html

[Rimmer]

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[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Unsubstantiated claim with no link. Pure false Russian propoganda

Yeh, that's the problem when we get just only one side of the stories. How do you recognize what's propaganda and what's the truth? Just curious...

From the last years wars have you read only the truth?

 

Anyway, do you have any info about the recent shelling from the only one correct information side? 

 

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Yeh, that's the problem when we get just only one side of the stories. How do you recognize what's propaganda and what's the truth? Just curious...

From the last years wars have you read only the truth?

 

Anyway, do you have any info about the recent shelling from the only one correct information side? 

 

enlighten us, please, provide us with reliable sources of information as it appears the ones we have are just propaganda, just curious....

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Another blow for Putin.....Keep it coming chaps.....

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/latest-himars-rocket-strike-kills-195113929.html

Maybe just another US experiment in escalating things closer to nuclear alternatives.

[Bkk Brian]

 

13 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Here is one fresh link, but perhaps "unsubstantial":

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/iaea-watchdog-says-it-must-visit-russia-occupied-nuclear-plant-in-ukraine

 

VIENNA (AFP) - The UN's nuclear watchdog said on Thursday (June 9) it was planning to visit the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, in a Russian-occupied part of Ukraine, despite opposition from Kyiv.

 

"This mission is not a matter of wanting or wishing, it is an obligation on the side of Ukraine and on the side of the IAEA," said the director-general of the UN body, Rafael Grossi, ahead of a board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna this week.

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Grossi said in his statement that he was very concerned at "the extremely stressful and challenging working conditions under which Ukrainian management and staff are operating the plant".

 

"This is why IAEA safety and security experts must go" to the site," he insisted, adding that he was "actively working" to organise an IAEA-led international mission to the Zaporizhzhia plant to carry out essential safety work, However officials in Kyiv on Thursday reiterated opposition to such a visit.

 

By visiting the site, the IAEA would only "legitimise the occupation of the power plant caused by the presence of nuclear terrorists", Ukraine's .nuclear agency Energoatom said on Telegram.

 

"In what way the IAEA mission can get to the power plant is still unknown. Nobody from Ukraine invited them there," Energoatom added in its statement. "Are they going to come... through Russia and then Crimea or other temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories under the protection of the Russian military without the will of Ukraine?!" it added.

 

Such a visit would only be possible once Ukraine had regained control of the site, the nuclear operator insisted, citing the example of Chernobyl which the IAEA visited at the end of April, only after the withdrawal of Russian soldiers.

Or you could go direct to the source with the latest update on the 24th June direct from IAEA which I posted yesterday for you.

Update 82 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-82-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine

Edited July 13, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Maybe just another US experiment in escalating things closer to nuclear alternatives.

Are you trying to imply that the US wants to provoke a nuclear war?

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Anyway, do you have any info about the recent shelling from the only one correct information side? 

 

You've got that the wrong way round comrade, you made an unsubstantiated claim. I have no need to find links to disprove it so pointless discussing further.

[transam]

27 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Maybe just another US experiment in escalating things closer to nuclear alternatives.

Naaaah, nobody wants that, Ukraine just wants its freedom, same for us in 1939/45, no difference....

There must be zillions of Russians that want Putin relieved of his post, same as Hitler and Mussolini, enough was enough.....

 

[rudi49jr]

150 soldiers from Buryatia refuse to fight any longer and returned home this weekend.

Hope many will follow their example.
 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/12/150-siberian-soldiers-refuse-ukraine-deployment-activist-says-a78267

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-women-soldiers-home-buryatia-tyva/31940262.html

[Rimmer]

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[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are you trying to imply that the US wants to provoke a nuclear war?

No but I wouldn't put it passed the USA to see if Russia can be push far enough to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine and not to care and be viewed as an experiment at no cost to anybody else's lives other than Ukrainians.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No but I wouldn't put it passed the USA to see if Russia can be push far enough to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine and not to care and be viewed as an experiment at no cost to anybody else's lives other than Ukrainians.

LOL, you do love to cast the US as the villains and war mongers in this unprovoked illegal invasion by Russia.

 

So if Russia uses a tactical nuclear warhead killing hundreds if not thousands in Ukraine then it would be the fault of the US's deliberate experiment due to their lack of care for the lives of Ukrainians. 

 

Honestly you really do live in an alternate reality

[rudi49jr]

48 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No but I wouldn't put it passed the USA to see if Russia can be push far enough to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine and not to care and be viewed as an experiment at no cost to anybody else's lives other than Ukrainians.

You really don’t have a clue, do you? NATO/USA is not the aggressor here, that ‘honor’ rests squarely on the shoulders of Russia. They invaded Ukraine, and everything that happened and will happen as a result of that will be their fault, and nobody else’s. 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

LOL, you do love to cast the US as the villains and war mongers in this unprovoked illegal invasion by Russia.

 

So if Russia uses a tactical nuclear warhead killing hundreds if not thousands in Ukraine then it would be the fault of the US's deliberate experiment due to their lack of care for the lives of Ukrainians. 

 

Honestly you really do live in an alternate reality

My reality is only that I see the reality of maybe where the war is heading and that is one of concern.

Obviously not yours.

[rudi49jr]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

My reality is only that I see the reality of maybe where the war is heading and that is one of concern.

Obviously not yours.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that your reality and the real reality are light years apart. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

My reality is only that I see the reality of maybe where the war is heading and that is one of concern.

Obviously not yours.

To say the war is of no concern to me let alone the consequences that could yet potentially occur again shows your total lack or reality. Everybody is aware of what Russia is capable of, its already proved itself to have no regard for human life yet you accuse the US of having no regard to Ukraine lives with as you put it, their experiments. Please spare me your shallow and immoral rhetoric.

[Kwasaki]

Now Iran is getting involved on supplying armed drones to Russia things are just esculating.

I think best just to monitor the war situation and not comment anymore, people here can't see the wood for the trees and are able to deal with criticizing opinions.

 

[rudi49jr]

43 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Now Iran is getting involved on supplying armed drones to Russia things are just esculating.

And guess who’s escalating it? Not NATO, not the USA, but Russia! It just goes to show that brutal terrorist regimes are willing to help out a bother in need. 

 

43 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I think best just to monitor the war situation and not comment anymore,

Wise words! I know at least one someone who’d better just stick to monitoring the war situation and not comment anymore…

Edited July 13, 2022 by rudi49jr

[Saanim]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

LOL, you do love to cast the US as the villains and war mongers in this unprovoked illegal invasion by Russia.

That's strange when we hear so often about unprovoked invasion, war.  In the recent interview of Noam Chomsky - I mentioned above - he spoke about occurrence of the word "unprovoked", that it jumps up in a great number when googled, something he did not see at the wars before. 

 

One does not have to agree with all his statements, however, it's amazing and astonishing how he - at his age - can formulate the flow of his speech corroborated by facts and events, without apparent help of a paper (or a teleprompter), in a very impassive diction. That cannot always be said about his interviewer, e.g. Owen Jones...