Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Anyone here natural? Or offensively taking Russian side? 

 

What I do not understand, is some of the members laughing when Russian soldiers suffering, who have no other choice than follow orders. Humanity goes both ways, as same I can understand why many Russians believe in their leader, it doesn't mean I part with Russia!

 

Sometimes it is ok to have two thoughts in the head at same time.

 

Hate just to hate doesn't solve anything, especially sitting far away from the front safe in your couch or hammock!

 

It is also allowed to be disappointed in our leaders for what they have done wrong without being offended if someone link to previous and similar crisis, still different from this one.

The Russian side certainly seems offensive. 

 

I do not see laughter here at any Russian soldiers suffering!

 

The topic concerns the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Stop being so self-righteous.

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, Virt said:

I'm proud of the danish freedom fighters in WW2.

 

Not so proud of the danish politicians that just gave up a few hours after Germany attacked Denmark the morning in April 9 1940.

 

That lead to 5 years German occupation and that's not something i want for Ukraine.

 

I was not born at these time, but the stories the elders told were enough for me to never want to be living in an occupied country.

 

They lived through a somewhat "soft" occupation, but living In a country where danish traitors worked together with the German invaders, lead to living in a country where you never knew how to trust, if you were trying to sabotage the German invaders.

We had a lot of resistance groups that lived a dangerous life and it was not easier living with traitors amongst your own kind.

 

We have a saying.

Aldrig mere en 9 april.

 

Never again an april 9.

 

I can understand why Ukraine are fighting for their freedom ...

You say it in a way it is easy to understand, that occupation or annexation of another country, will never be successful!

 

Same in Norway, however most women and kids was saved from the worst bombing and war scenes.

 

There is no good answers when it comes to war! 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

The Russian propaganda machine is on overdrive.  And many are buying it.  In the US, it seems the right wingers--the same morons who believed in the Big Lie--are eating it up.  There is no shortage of stupid people in the world. 

 

[Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., called Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky a "thug" at a campaign event over the weekend.

"Remember that Zelensky is a thug," Cawthorn said in a video obtained by WRAL. "Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies."]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-rep-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-a-thug-says-ukraine-pushing-woke-ideologies-185128786.html

Talk about propaganda! Every group has its wild outliers. From The Daily Mail: Cawthorn's comments not only fly in the face of those made by global leaders but also the majority of his fellow elected Republicans in Congress. 

 

I don't see many that are buying it, especially off a phone video. But you go ahead and seize your moment. 

 

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10599763/GOP-Rep-Madison-Cawthorn-calls-Zelensky-THUG-says-Ukrainian-government-incredibly-evil.html

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Talk about propaganda! Every group has its wild outliers. From The Daily Mail: Cawthorn's comments not only fly in the face of those made by global leaders but also the majority of his fellow elected Republicans in Congress. 

 

I don't see many that are buying it, especially off a phone video. But you go ahead and seize your moment. 

 

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10599763/GOP-Rep-Madison-Cawthorn-calls-Zelensky-THUG-says-Ukrainian-government-incredibly-evil.html

Nobody on his side is condemning his comments either. It's crickets.

[ozimoron]

U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday will call for an end of normal trade relations with Russia and clear the way for increased tariffs on Russian imports as punishment for its invasion of Ukraine.

 

The move would be coordinated with G7 countries and require an act of Congress

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/us-steps-up-pressure-russia-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-03-11/

[Phoenix Rising]

15 hours ago, farmerjo said:

 I don't have a link for the last time the fair side won a special mission.

Huh???

[mtraveler]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

I think this rather sad actually. I believe it's also a pretext by Facebook to allow other forms of hate speech as well. FB are notorious for permitting misinformation and conspiracy theories.

Simply a profit-motive-driven move.  Controversy results in more profits for Facebook.  That's the only reason they're doing it.  Shame on them.  

[Phoenix Rising]

14 hours ago, friendofthai said:

Its so unusual that we are allowed here to even discuss such things. As far as I remember It was impossible to write a word bioweapons somewhere in the so called "free" Western world.
Looks like the Big Brother watched the news and drink too much after that.

Huh??

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Did you see the question mark? Did you read it is an interesting question? 

 

If you thinking and stop questioning, life is in fact easy, and all your answers is served on a silver plate! 

 

I might be bad to communicate in a different language or also maybe ask the questions the wrong way! 

 

 

"The question is, did NATO by Stoltenberg and Biden hype up a situation via media that led to the war by their aggressive rhetoric before the invasion?"

 

This is not bad communication, we hear you loud and clear. You actually question who is to blame for this invasion and most of us find that mind boggling (and not in a good way).

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Well I don't care what others quote me I would rather stay on topic than reply. 

My position still is that from the beginning right or wrong on either side there is unnecessary loss of life. 

What the Ukrainian President rhetoric has been is suicidal.

I believe he thought that NATO would come to his aid military.

That wasn't going to happen. 

 

There are reports than Putin has been planning this for many years and expected the response maybe not as much as has happened in the way of sanctions.

 

All this war is, is food for the media. 

 

I still believe that Ukraine even at this stage should surrender to terms to stop the war and loss of life. 

At some stage Putin will be overthrown and the future could then lead to a better future than the one that is happening now and the way it's heading.

 

 

Yes, shame on Ukraine for fighting for their country against the friendly Russian forces on their "special mission"!

[Chris.B]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I still believe that Ukraine even at this stage should surrender to terms to stop the war and loss of life. 

At some stage Putin will be overthrown and the future could then lead to a better future than the one that is happening now and the way it's heading.

 

 

Why surrender when the Russian Orks are on the brink of defeat?

 

[Rimmer]

A troll meme and a troll unattributed off topic cut and paste job from the same member have been removed.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

45 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

Why surrender when the Russian Orks are on the brink of defeat?

I admire your support I sincerely hope it's not in vain. 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

 

 

This is not bad communication, we hear you loud and clear. You actually question who is to blame for this invasion and most of us find that mind boggling (and not in a good way).

I can accept that it can be mind boggling, it doesnt make the question less valid, and shouldnt be asked. 
 

As I said, it was discussed in the two podcasts I posted yesterday where one with George Friedman

 

podcast

https://www.spreaker.com/user/gallupstrengthscenter/george-friedman-on-ukraine-russia-wanted

 

George Friedman (Hungarian: Friedman György, born February 1, 1949) is a Hungarian-born U.S. geopolitical forecaster, and strategist on international affairs. He is the founder and chairman of Geopolitical Futures, an online publication that analyzes and forecasts the course of global events.^[1] Prior to founding Geopolitical Futures, he was chairman of its predecessor Stratfor, the private intelligence publishing and consulting firm he founded in 1996.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman

 

[Bkk Brian]

Back in the real world and the ongoing atrocities by a murderous dictator who has unleashed the most violent act of unprovoked aggression in Europe since 1939.

 

Russia has just attacked the Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology. There is an experimental nuclear reactor there. A nearby dormitory is also on fire. Personnel staying in the shelter, shelling continues. Russia systematically attacks nuclear facilities in Ukraine.

 

 

[sammieuk1]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Back in the real world and the ongoing atrocities by a murderous dictator who has unleashed the most violent act of unprovoked aggression in Europe since 1939.

 

Russia has just attacked the Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology. There is an experimental nuclear reactor there. A nearby dormitory is also on fire. Personnel staying in the shelter, shelling continues. Russia systematically attacks nuclear facilities in Ukraine.

 

 

Lavrov will be along in a second to claim the rocket was fired by Sandu the Moldovan president personally after taking delivery from Poland via Rumania and he has the documents to prove it ????

[Bkk Brian]

The Stalinisation of Russia

As it sinks in that he cannot win in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is resorting to repression at home

 

When Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine, he dreamed of restoring the glory of the Russian empire. He has ended up restoring the terror of Josef Stalin.

 

To understand the scale of Mr Putin’s lies, consider how the war was planned. 

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/03/12/the-stalinisation-of-russia?

[sammieuk1]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Things in Russia have changed so much since that time.

I was thinking MacDonalds has pulled out so the Russian manager can just carry on and maybe keep the shop for the staff and himself, thanks.

They will in the revamped MacVlads ????

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Nobody on his side is condemning his comments either. It's crickets.

Well like a lot of people, I hadn't even seen it before. So if that is propaganda, it is not very powerful! This kindergarten congressman seems to be a bit of a loon. But while I'm here I will condemn it. Now everyone has the chance to know how I feel, at least.

[Phoenix Rising]

48 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Typically taken out of context your not a reporter are you. 

What's taken out of context, the "special mission"??

[sammieuk1]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just as I was about to respond with the thought that as off the wall bat-poo crazy as that nonsense is, somebody will believe.

 

But then this popped up:

 

 

Their domestic target audience must be 2-5 year old surely  but spare a thought for the red square pidgeon.

 

Some further explanation could involve how does a bird survive the bio weapon and how dose it know where to go unless its a homing bird of course which could prove another problem to explain right now ????

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Their domestic target audience must be 2-5 year old surely  but spare a thought for the red square pidgeon.

 

Some further explanation could involve how does a bird survive the bio weapon and how dose it know where to go unless its a homing bird of course which could prove another problem to explain right now ????

The salient point is Putin’s supporters in this thread will latch onto any imagined nonsense but avoid discussing Russian war crimes and atrocities for which there is ample credible evidence.

[jollyhangmon]

54 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

Sure. Russia and China want answers from the US. 

 

... well, here is an answer, not from the US exactly but still with a certain gravity:

 

Said birds in the hand would be better than a whole row of bushes ...

 

Think about it!

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

They will in the revamped MacVlads ????

Probably VFC to. 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The salient point is Putin’s supporters in this thread will latch onto any imagined nonsense but avoid discussing Russian war crimes and atrocities for which there is ample credible evidence.

Who posting in this thread in your imagination is Putin's supporters. 

[rudi49jr]

Russia is apparently recruiting thousands of Syrian fighters skilled in urban combat to fight for them in Ukraine. Earlier Putin claimed it was reprehensible and immoral for foreign fighters to come to Ukraine to fight against the Russians. The man gives hypocrisy a whole new meaning. 
 

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/03/russia-recruiting-syrians-fight-ukraine-pentagon-says
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-syria-recruitment-ukraine-war-b2030202.html

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Who posting in this thread in your imagination is Putin's supporters. 

I’ve identified the behaviors, so if the cap fits, wear it.

 

Otherwise I’ll follow forum rules on directing comments against names members, if that’s alright with you.

[Chris.B]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I admire your support I sincerely hope it's not in vain. 

Russia and their army is falling apart, if they last another 10 days I will be surprised.

 

[Chris.B]

29 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Russia is apparently recruiting thousands of Syrian fighters skilled in urban combat to fight for them in Ukraine. Earlier Putin claimed it was reprehensible and immoral for foreign fighters to come to Ukraine to fight against the Russians. The man gives hypocrisy a whole new meaning. 

Further signs of desperation. 

 

I have no doubt at all the Ukrainians with see off the Syrians just as they saw off the Chechens.

 

 

[friendofthai]

4 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

Russia and their army is falling apart, if they last another 10 days I will be surprised.

Vlad supporters will remind you 10 days later.