Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[sammieuk1]

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[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Five generals now, although no independent confirmation yet.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-fifth-russian-general-killed-b2039617.html

Damn, another one that will miss the war crimes trial

[jollyhangmon]

 

Yes, after spectacularly failing supply same goes for rescue, rather unsurprisingly ...

18 year old conscripts? I'd like to see No Toes explaining that to their parents.

 

The source said some of the wounded had not eaten for five days, arrived disoriented and wanted to call their parents: "These are patients who were born in 2003, from poor regions of Russia. Basically, they are still children."

 

https://www.dw.com/en/wounded-russian-soldiers-fill-belarusian-hospitals/a-61181434

 

 

... also interesting:

 

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-arab-spring-thanks-to-the-ukraine-war/a-61165023

 

[Bkk Brian]

The comedians on Russian state TV doing their nightly shows....

 

Russian state TV: Igor Korotchenko, Russian Defense Ministry's Public Council member, says that the Pentagon is not applauding "successes" by Russia's Armed Forces in Ukraine "because of professional jealousy."

 

 

[tgw]

https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-throws-untrained-civilians-from-occupied-donbas-into-hot-spots-of-its-war-in-ukraine/

 

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According to the intelligence unit of Ukraine’s Defense Ministry, the vast majority of mobilized Donbas residents are sent to the hottest spots without special training “to clear obstacles and dig trenches.” The losses among new recruits reach 70-80%, the ministry said.

 

[ozimoron]

Ukraine band adds new meaning to Clash hit with 'Kyiv Calling'

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-band-adds-new-meaning-clash-hit-with-kyiv-calling-2022-03-19/

 

 

[ozimoron]

“Children, elderly people are dying. The city is destroyed and it is wiped off the face of the earth,”

 

The Mariupol city council claimed hours later that Russian soldiers had forcibly relocated several thousand city residents, mostly women and children, to Russia.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-lifestyle-moscow-1b564e5ac8cdc5e15904576ac8e96164

[ozimoron]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the siege of Mariupol will go down in history for what he’s calling war crimes by Russia’s military.

“To do this to a peaceful city, what the occupiers did, is a terror that will be remembered for centuries to come,”

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-business-europe-d70a8d7dfe30b1975ea230aef6e64841

[Bkk Brian]

To corroborate their boasting about Russia's "great successes" in Ukraine, shortly after Korotchenko's performance, state TV show '60 Minutes' aired another translated clip of Fox News' Tucker Carlson and his frequent pro-Kremlin guest Doug Macgregor.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

“Children, elderly people are dying. The city is destroyed and it is wiped off the face of the earth,”

 

The Mariupol city council claimed hours later that Russian soldiers had forcibly relocated several thousand city residents, mostly women and children, to Russia.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-lifestyle-moscow-1b564e5ac8cdc5e15904576ac8e96164

How do you know they were forced. 

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

How do you know they were forced. 

"Journalistic standards" The actual reason that only credible sources are permitted to be quoted on this forum. Do you have any evidence at all that they weren't forced? If so, why not show it?

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

"Journalistic standards" The actual reason that only credible sources are permitted to be quoted on this forum. Do you have any evidence at all that they weren't forced? If so, why not show it?

Thinking of if they one day intend to return back to a free Ukraine, forced sounds better than willingly.
 

Most of us would have taken any option to get out of the battlefield, considering age, health,  kids, etc. 

 

I guess the russians will use it as propaganda as best they can where they saved them from the evil Ukraine.

 

 

 

[onthedarkside]

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[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

“Children, elderly people are dying. The city is destroyed and it is wiped off the face of the earth,”

 

The Mariupol city council claimed hours later that Russian soldiers had forcibly relocated several thousand city residents, mostly women and children, to Russia.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-lifestyle-moscow-1b564e5ac8cdc5e15904576ac8e96164

Reminds me of ethnic cleansing

 

[tgw]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Reminds me of ethnic cleansing

 

one more item on the long list of Putin's resemblances with Hitler.

[sammieuk1]

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[ozimoron]

I'd rather see Putin face a war crimes tribunal and then jail rather than dead. If he's innocent then so be it. If not.. he can rot in jail and other would be fascists will forever be reminded what happens to war criminals.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Damn, another one that will miss the war crimes trial

Apparently some 20 Russian generals were leading the invasion. And in less than one month, the Ukrainians managed to pick off five already, that’s 25%. Must really suck to be a Russian general in Ukraine now. 

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

"Journalistic standards" The actual reason that only credible sources are permitted to be quoted on this forum. Do you have any evidence at all that they weren't forced? If so, why not show it?

Baha the only thing I heard was on BBC World radio 8000 have gone to Russia into small village's they don't know where.

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

"Journalistic standards" The actual reason that only credible sources are permitted to be quoted on this forum. Do you have any evidence at all that they weren't forced? If so, why not show it?

"Journalistic standards"? Substitute "journalistic" with "double"...

 

BTW, how do you want us to believe that the source from the only one side is the "only credible"?

That's the same as if at a "credible" court arguments of only one side are admitted. 

 

And the OSCE monitors were sent away., the only independent body in the war area

 

 

[Kwasaki]

10 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Apparently some 20 Russian generals were leading the invasion. And in less than one month, the Ukrainians managed to pick off five already, that’s 25%. Must really suck to be a Russian general in Ukraine now. 

Maybe that's why it is reported Russian forces are held up. 

 

What's probably happening is the General's ordered a halt to the advance and are just pounding cities to the ground at a distance.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Saanim said:

"Journalistic standards"? Substitute "journalistic" with "double"...

 

BTW, how do you want us to believe that the source from the only one side is the "only credible"?

That's the same as if at a "credible" court arguments of only one side are admitted. 

 

And the OSCE monitors were sent away., the only independent body in the war area

 

 

What other Russia credible sourches is left at the moment, and with all respect, the world wide web going crazy now with undocumented and non verified  claims from both sides. But there is no doubt who is the aggressor here, and who invaded a sovereign country on false claims, and using propaganda and brutal force to silence anyone who is telling the real truth inside Russia. 
 

Still war crimes is most likely done by both parts, it is a war, and no war so far I can know, been a clean fair operation, when either invading a sovereign country or trying to defend it, war crimes will be part of the war! 
 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Maybe that's why it is reported Russian forces are held up. 

 

What's probably happening is the General's ordered a halt to the advance and are just pounding cities to the ground at a distance.

So you have given up disputing that the Russian’s are committing war crimes.

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What other Russia credible sourches is left at the moment, and with all respect, the world wide web going crazy now with undocumented and non verified  claims from both sides. But there is no doubt who is the aggressor here, and who invaded a sovereign country on false claims, and using propaganda and brutal force to silence anyone who is telling the real truth inside Russia. 
 

Still war crimes is most likely done by both parts, it is a war, and no war so far I can know, been a clean fair operation, when either invading a sovereign country or trying to defend it, war crimes will be part of the war! 

There ya go like with the sovereign country thing that keeps being spouted Putin and some Russians don't see it like that. 

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you have given up disputing that the Russian’s are committing war crimes.

Well you tell me you seem to know what I think already.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

There ya go like with the sovereign country thing that keeps being spouted Putin and some Russians don't see it like that. 

How Putin sees it, doesnt matter, it is about being internationally reckonized as a soverign country. 

 

 

 

Recognition of Ukraine: December 5, 1991. 2. The establishment of diplomatic relations: January 6, 1992. 
 

Two days after the 1991 Ukrainian independence referendum, neighboring Hungary became the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Ukraine on 3 December 1991 and Ukraine has since then established diplomatic relations with about 180 of the 193 United Nations member countries, 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_relations_of_Ukraine
 

 

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

There ya go like with the sovereign country thing that keeps being spouted Putin and some Russians don't see it like that. 

They're wrong.

[Kwasaki]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They're wrong.

Correct but there lies the problem Putin don't think so. 

[Bkk Brian]

59 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Baha the only thing I heard was on BBC World radio 8000 have gone to Russia into small village's they don't know where.

Strange, there must be an alternate version of the BBC world news. I've just got back from a car journey and the BBC world news came on the radio, it was saying that 1000's had been forced. Its also on the BBC website updates.

 

Of course there's no confirmation of this from Russia, its hardly likely to own up to another war crime.

[DaveE13]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

To corroborate their boasting about Russia's "great successes" in Ukraine, shortly after Korotchenko's performance, state TV show '60 Minutes' aired another translated clip of Fox News' Tucker Carlson and his frequent pro-Kremlin guest Doug Macgregor.

 

 

Is that little coward tucker? ????