Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"Russia continues to attack civilian targets across Ukraine. At least 902 civilians have been killed and 1,459 injured since the start of the invasion, the office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) said Sunday."

 

AND

 

Zelensky repeats call for NATO admission in CNN interview

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Zelensky told Zakaria that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if the country had been admitted into the NATO alliance.

 

"If we were a NATO member, a war wouldn't have started. I'd like to receive security guarantees for my country, for my people," said Zelensky.

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/key-developments-in-ukraine-this-weekend/ar-AAVjWpf

 

[Meat Pie 47]

video of a Russian pilot apparently admitting he had been ordered to bomb a civilian target has been widely shown on Ukrainian media.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-pilot-shot-civilian-1687191

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

NATO Unity Faltering as Calls Grow for a No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine

 

Agreement among NATO allies appears to be faltering as more nations call for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

 

NATO's secretary-general said Wednesday the alliance's members were united in the decision not to deploy forces on the ground or in the airspace of Ukraine as Russia's invasion of the eastern European nation intensifies.

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But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal.

 

(more)

 

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-unity-faltering-calls-grow-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-1689048

 

[JetsetBkk]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal.

Fortunately, no one is listening to them.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, JetsetBkk said:

Fortunately, no one is listening to them.

I think that might eventuate if the war continues. Poland has already mooted sending troops into Ukraine on a peacekeeping mission and Biden is headed to Poland this week.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

Fortunately, no one is listening to them.

 

Poland to propose Ukraine peacekeeping mission at NATO summit, says PM

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-propose-ukraine-peacekeeping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/

 

Look who's calling for a more forceful western response to Russia's war crimes in Ukraine -- Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, etc.

 

They're all in the neighborhood and all NATO members. They know who and what Putin is...  And they know they could be next on Russia's list somewhere down the line.

 

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The clear and attrocious targeting of innocent, non-combatant Ukrainian civilians and civilian targets by the Russian military -- no accidents or targeting errors -- becomes increasingly untenable to common sense people in the West.

[tgw]

From the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense:

https://www.facebook.com/MinistryofDefence.UA/posts/280122050966921

 

Quote

The enemy continues "mobilization" in temporarily occupied territories. In particular, the next wave takes place in the territory of the Donetsk region. In order to increase the number of potential "principles", the occupiers increase the age rate of "military personnel" - from 55 to 65 years old.

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"Mobilized" to the 1st Army Corps of the Occupation Forces are distinguished by extremely low moral and psychological condition and have outdated equipment: the 1974 sample gear, the 1971 release protective helmets.

 

[ozimoron]

The Russian military says it will continue using its state-of-the-art hypersonic missile to hit particularly important targets in Ukraine.

Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Monday that the Kinzhal hypersonic missile “has proven its efficiency in destroying heavily fortified special facilities.”

Kinzhal was used for these strikes due to its high kinetic energy and its ability to penetrate defenses.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-boris-johnson-business-europe-4b0fee549843a0a6ed73c314f8c2fa12

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Poland to propose Ukraine peacekeeping mission at NATO summit, says PM

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-propose-ukraine-peacekeeping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/

 

Look who's calling for a more forceful western response to Russia's war crimes in Ukraine -- Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, etc.

 

They're all in the neighborhood and all NATO members. They know who and what Putin is...  And they know they could be next on Russia's list somewhere down the line.

 

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The clear and attrocious targeting of innocent, non-combatant Ukrainian civilians and civilian targets by the Russian military -- no accidents or targeting errors -- becomes increasingly untenable to common sense people in the West.

 

 

 

 

 

Russia Threatens Poland in Lengthy Letter Days Before Joe Biden's Visit

 

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter, just days before U.S. President Joe Biden is due to visit the country.

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Medvedev was referring to a decision made by Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki last week to minimize dependence on Russia and sever economic ties with Moscow in response to the Ukraine invasion that began on February 24.

 

"We will deal with the de-Russification of the Polish and European economy," Morawiecki told a news conference on March 18. "We call for the suspension of activities on the Russian market."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW

 

 

[tgw]

this CNN broadcast claims that Ukraine is currently pushing to take back Kherson

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/21/russia-mykolaiv-kherson-ukraine-nick-paton-walsh-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/

 

[rudi49jr]

Man, 96 years old, who survived four nazi concentration camps killed during Russian attack on Kharkiv.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-man-96-who-survived-four-nazi-concentration-camps-killed-during-russian-attack-on-kharkiv-12572163
 

<deleted> Russians. They’re just going to continue to flatten whole cities, Putin doesn’t give a flying ***** if he has to kill a couple million Ukrainians to save face. Gutless coward, with way too many über-obedient puppets who will fulfill their lord and master’s every depraved wish. Makes me sick to my stomach.

Edited March 21, 2022 by rudi49jr

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48 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Russia Threatens Poland in Lengthy Letter Days Before Joe Biden's Visit

 

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter, just days before U.S. President Joe Biden is due to visit the country.

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Medvedev was referring to a decision made by Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki last week to minimize dependence on Russia and sever economic ties with Moscow in response to the Ukraine invasion that began on February 24.

 

"We will deal with the de-Russification of the Polish and European economy," Morawiecki told a news conference on March 18. "We call for the suspension of activities on the Russian market."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW

 

 

I didn't see any explicit or even implicit military threat from medvedev. But I guess given how poorly the Russian armed forces have performed, it wouldn't pack much of a punch anyway.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Man, 96 years old, who survived four nazi concentration camps killed during Russian attack on Kharkiv.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-man-96-who-survived-four-nazi-concentration-camps-killed-during-russian-attack-on-kharkiv-1257216
 

 

 

From your news source above:

 

[RJRS1301]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In Russia people are whining about stores closing in malls.

while their  apologists, and leaders, continue to live in the laps of luxury. Always the average person pays the greatest price

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

NATO Unity Faltering as Calls Grow for a No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine

 

Agreement among NATO allies appears to be faltering as more nations call for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

 

NATO's secretary-general said Wednesday the alliance's members were united in the decision not to deploy forces on the ground or in the airspace of Ukraine as Russia's invasion of the eastern European nation intensifies. Jens Stoltenberg warned that doing so would be a pretext for a "full-fledged war" between NATO and Russia.

 

But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal.

 

(more)

 

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-unity-faltering-calls-grow-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-1689048

 

Classic doom headline.

 

The reported events are not an example of NATO unity faltering, support for Ukraine amongst NATO members remain unanimous, Lithuania would like to do more.

 

 

[Hummin]

Not sure how it is possible to arrange a public vote right now, and also a secure one. The compromises will be about Nato, demilitarisation and the easter provinses securing a land corridor for the russians to Crimea. 

 

I do not know Inews, but found simular article in Telegraph behind wall, and a valid Norwegian news source. 

 

Volodymyr Zelensky says compromises with Russia will require nationwide referendum

In an interview with Suspilne, Ukraine’s national public broadcaster, the nation’s President said compromises with Russia would have to go to a public vote

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/president-zelensky-ukraine-compromises-russia-nationwide-referendum-1531168

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Not sure how it is possible to arrange a public vote right now, and also a secure one. The compromises will be about Nato, demilitarisation and the easter provinses securing a land corridor for the russians to Crimea. 

 

I do not know Inews, but found simular article in Telegraph behind wall, and a valid Norwegian news source. 

 

Volodymyr Zelensky says compromises with Russia will require nationwide referendum

In an interview with Suspilne, Ukraine’s national public broadcaster, the nation’s President said compromises with Russia would have to go to a public vote

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/president-zelensky-ukraine-compromises-russia-nationwide-referendum-1531168

The takeaway from this is that there won't be any compromises. If the EU determine that genocide is occurring this week it's possible that NATO will act to insert a peacekeeping force, in my opinion.

Edited March 22, 2022 by ozimoron

[Hummin]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The takeaway from this is that there won't be any compromises. If the EU determine that genocide is occurring this week it's possible that NATO will act to insert a peacekeeping force, in my opinion.

Hopefully the Russians Remove Putin themselves, and no need to involve any other country or Nato!
 

But I feel it might be necessery to intervene at some point, but we are not there yet. It takes time to form an solid backing from every country, but as you say, genocide, use of gas could be the triggers. Genocides normally  takes time to official reckonize unfortunately. 

[CatCage]

Secretive American Stocks Of Soviet Air Defense Systems Are Headed To Ukraine:

 

The U.S. government is sending Soviet-era air defense systems in its possession to Ukraine, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal. These systems will reportedly come from stocks of foreign materiel that elements of the U.S. military and Intelligence Community have obtained in various ways over the years for intelligence analysis and training purposes. 

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44859/secretive-american-stocks-of-soviet-air-defense-systems-are-headed-to-ukraine-report

[Hellfire]

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Hopefully the Russians Remove Putin themselves, and no need to involve any other country or Nato!
 

But I feel it might be necessery to intervene at some point, but we are not there yet. It takes time to form an solid backing from every country, but as you say, genocide, use of gas could be the triggers. Genocides normally  takes time to official reckonize unfortunately. 

Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Hellfire

[RJRS1301]

Volodymyr Zelensky reveals ‘compromise’ he might accept to end invasion

https://www.news.com.au/world/russia-ukraine-war-updates-nato-official-warns-belarus-is-preparing-to-justify-an-attack-on-ukraine/news-story/285f2f6a09a110892171d16fef20f672

 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Volodymyr Zelensky reveals ‘compromise’ he might accept to end invasion

https://www.news.com.au/world/russia-ukraine-war-updates-nato-official-warns-belarus-is-preparing-to-justify-an-attack-on-ukraine/news-story/285f2f6a09a110892171d16fef20f672

 

from that article:

 

“There can't be any ‘de-Nazification’ in the agreement. When a country that is treading in the footsteps of the Nazis is accusing us of being Nazis, we can’t accept that.”

[Saanim]

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter

Can we read the "lengthy letter"? 

 

BTW, the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW

 

was updated:

Update 03/21/22 at 12:54 p.m. ET: This article was updated with additional background information and to change the word '"threatens" to "warns" in the headline.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized.

 

 

I agree, and said earlier to the sanctions they can do, is a joke in the beginning of this war.

 

But if many of those who is harmed personally, is powerful enough to remove Putin, then they succeed, but if not, these sanctions is only harming the average Ivan.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized.

 

 

It’s not simply McDonalds and Facebook.

 

Russia has been denied access to international banking, money transfers/transactions, had been blocked by the two largest internet providers, has had offshore assets seized and is no longer able to access technology supplies.

 

The ‘special economic operation’ is damaging the already weak Russian economy.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Rimmer]

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Classic doom headline.

 

The reported events are not an example of NATO unity faltering, support for Ukraine amongst NATO members remain unanimous, Lithuania would like to do more.

 

Sorry, you're misreading the meaning of the news report headline above... (which the news source wrote, not me).

 

It doesn't mean NATO's resolve against Russia is faltering.

 

It does mean, the prior collective NATO position AGAINST direct involvement is "faltering," with the several named NATO countries in the report now urging stronger, direct NATO action against Russia such as a no-fly zone.

 

The NATO non-involvement stance is faltering (with some member countries now beginning to dissent)... which is correct... and not necessarily a bad thing.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Sorry, you're misreading the meaning of the news report headline above... (which the news source wrote, not me).

 

It doesn't mean NATO's resolve against Russia is faltering.

 

It does mean, the prior collective NATO position AGAINST direct involvement is "faltering," with the several named NATO countries in the report now urging stronger, direct NATO action against Russia such as a no-fly zone.

 

The NATO non-involvement stance is faltering (with some member countries now beginning to dissent)... which is correct... and not necessarily a bad thing.

 

 

It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. 

 

Both Estonia and Lithuania are under NATO Clause 5.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. 

 

 

It's the countries nearby to Russia, not surprisingly, that are advocating stronger NATO action for the very reason you mention.

 

It's the far away countries like the U.S. that thus far have been opposing it, understandably, out of fear direct NATO involvement could lead to some version of WWIII and nukes being deployed.

 

Hopefully, there's some way the west can DO MORE in a meaningful way that isn't likely to trigger the various nightmare scenarios.