Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Sophon]

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I doubt very much that the charging infrastructure is a bill selling point for Teslas in the US. 

 

Far and away, most of the charge stations I see in Thailand appear to work with any EV, at least when they're working. 

If you had done any research, you would know that probably the most important selling point for Tesla in the U.S. at the moment is their charging network. While all EVs (except for Nissan Leafs) can use the CCS network, only Teslas can use the Tesla network. And the CCS network in the U.S. is now so bad, that Ford, General Motors, BMW, Fisker, Hyundai (incl. Kia and Genesis), Rivian, Volvo (incl. Polestar) all have made strategic decisions to change their cars sold in the U.S. from CCS to the NACS standard and enter into agreements with Tesla allowing them to use the Tesla charging network. Volkswagen Group (Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche etc.) are considering doing the same and have reached out to Tesla for initial discussions.

 

But that won't happen until sometime in 2024 or 2025, so for now non Tesla EV owners in the U.S. have major problems with unreliable charging when on road trips.

[Melpomene]

10 minutes ago, Pib said:

Update from Bangkok on my Atto 3.  A week ago my dealership sales girl said "hopefully" 20 Oct...tomorrow.  I asked her by LINE post yesterday if any update...she read the post this morning...but no response yet.  Will wait until Friday evening or Saturday before seeking my Thai wife on the dealership via phone call or visit.

 

This morning a neighbor on my soi of 10 houses brought her new white Atto home from a dealership.  Haven't had a chance to talk to them to see which dealership they used...maybe the same as me.  

 

This now makes 2 of 10 homes on my Soi having a BEV in their driveway.  The other home has had a Telsa Model 3 for a couple of months.  Hopefully I can soon make it 3 of 10 homes on my soi having a BEV...gosh, didn't figure it would be taking this long to get my red Atto...getting a red vehicle just takes longer in the land of white, silver, gray, and black cars.

 

Took my wife to lunch at the local mall today.  I chose the location as I knew BYD were there showing cars and I wanted to show her the Seal hahaha!

 

They had a Red Atto 3 on display.  It's a lovely looking colour, really suits the car.

[Pib]

3 minutes ago, Melpomene said:

They had a Red Atto 3 on display.  It's a lovely looking colour, really suits the car.

Yea....the wife and I agree.....that's what made us switch from our "white" Atto booking to wanting red instead. 

 

When booking the white Atto the dealership had 4 of 5 colors on their showroom floor....red was the missing color.  Over the next few days or so when we got to see a few red Atto's out in the wild, on the roads of Bangkok....that is  when we decided to switch our booking from white to red.   A white Atto is available within days to a week....but red that's turning out to be a different story.

 

[Bandersnatch]

I have joined 3 Thai Seal FB groups and the post popular colour seems to be…

 

Black with some extra Black

 

Lighting the Road or Seeing through the Windows seems to be optional

 

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

I have joined 3 Thai Seal FB groups and the post popular colour seems to be…

 

Black with some extra Black

 

Lighting the Road or Seeing through the Windows seems to be optional

 

 

 

I too am following some of the Thai Seal groups and they are not shy about making some changes to their cars as soon as leaving the showroom, here’s another couple of options:

 

 

 

Or this one which some might say is a step backwards !!

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Andrew Dwyer

[Pib]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

I have joined 3 Thai Seal FB groups and the post popular colour seems to be…

 

Black with some extra Black

 

Lighting the Road or Seeing through the Windows seems to be optional

 

 

Night vision goggles is one of the secret freebies that come with every Seal. 

[mistral53]

I wonder whether this instruction applies to all LFP batteries:

 

(from the owners manual)

 

I also wonder how many owners will abide by these instructions, let alone read the manual..........lol

[JBChiangRai]

55 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I too am following some of the Thai Seal groups and they are not shy about making some changes to their cars as soon as leaving the showroom, here’s another couple of options:

 

 

 

Or this one which some might say is a step backwards !!

 

 

I have long thought the definition of "taste" in Thailand is different from the West. 

 

In the West we look at every modification from an asesthetic point of view, we consider the form, the function and whether it adds or subtracts from the whole with a critical eye.

 

In Thailand the entire philosophy is different, it can be summed up as if "if someone makes it" then "it must be good".

 

I think the concept of "less is more" doesn't exist here.

 

 

[Pib]

Yes...I read that in the Atto manual.   If I every get my Atto I will "not" routinely be letting it drop to less that 10%....in fact, I fully expect it to stay well above 50% to ensure I'm well charged.   

 

But I understand where BYD is coming from as letting any lithium-type battery drop close to zero and then charging to 100% recalibrates the charging system/state of charge monitoring to help ensure the current charge level/range estimate is fairly close.

 

Laptop computers typically have a recalibration setting which basically first charges the battery to 100%, then discharges it close to zero %, and then recharges to 100% in order to recalibrate the charging circuit.   And on some Toshiba laptops I used to have if I didn't recalibrate about once a year the percentage of charge remaining would become VERY inaccurate....like I could be at 50% charge and then suddenly it would drop to under 5%.   But after doing a recalibration (i.e., charge 100%...discharge close to zero...and then recharge to 100%) that problem would go away for a year or so.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Pib

[Yellowtail]

50 minutes ago, Pib said:

Night vision goggles is one of the secret freebies that come with every Seal. 

Do they get a decoder ring and learn a secret handshake as well? 

[Pib]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Do they get a decoder ring and learn a secret handshake as well? 

No secret handshake but a decoder ring with "Build Your Dreams" engraved on the inside of the ring.

[Yellowtail]

Free with your deposit at Lat Krabang GWM dealer:

 

[Bandersnatch]

10 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I wonder whether this instruction applies to all LFP batteries:

 

(from the owners manual)

 

I also wonder how many owners will abide by these instructions, let alone read the manual..........lol

My home Batteries are CATL LFPs and the manual says to charge to 100% once a week. Don't remember seeing about discharging to less than 10%. In fact my inverters would only allow the batteries to get to 22% SOC

[JBChiangRai]

43 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

My home Batteries are CATL LFPs and the manual says to charge to 100% once a week. Don't remember seeing about discharging to less than 10%. In fact my inverters would only allow the batteries to get to 22% SOC

I fitted Active Balancers on my 2 battery packs so I can avoid charging to 100%, they are always balancing.  I charge to 85% and can only discharge to about the same level as you.

[Melpomene]

More discounts in the EV market. Apparently GAC are also refunding customers who bought previously at the higher price, which is a nice move on their part.

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I fitted Active Balancers on my 2 battery packs so I can avoid charging to 100%, they are always balancing.  I charge to 85% and can only discharge to about the same level as you.

Not sure if needed with a good BMS:

 

[JBChiangRai]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not sure if needed with a good BMS:

 

You don't need active balancers, but without them you need to charge to 100% periodically for the passive balancers in the BMS to balance the cells.

 

With an active balancer, the cells are constantly being balanced without any wastage, passive balancers waste energy.

 

Active Balancer is also useful if anything goes wrong with the balancing section of your BMS.

 

Putting it in EV terms, cars without Active Balancers (eg MG) balance at the end of the charge cycle, other manufacturers don't need you to do this process.

Edited October 20, 2023 by JBChiangRai

[Bandersnatch]

18 hours ago, digbeth said:

a lot of chatter that Honda is delaying the introduction of the E-NS1 (EV HRV) while many were seen testing on Thai roads, 

looking at Honda's ICE lineup from existing HRV hybrid to the CRV, not much room to slot in what is probably gonna be more expensive than the top-end HRV and still be competitive price wise with all the Chinese in the market

Honda  e:Ny1 (Stupid Name) (Lowercase e colon Capital N Lowercase y) much like the Toyota bZ4X (Lowercase b Capital Z Capital X)

£44,100 (฿1,948,925)  to £47,195 (฿2,085,452) Actual price in Thailand not yet released

Based on the HRV platform 

No Durian storage (Frunk) 

78kW charging 🤣

0-62 mph: 7.6 seconds

62kWh Lithium-ion Battery usable

 

Honda WTF Were You Thinking?! - great title to the video

 

 

 

[digbeth]

11 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Honda  e:Ny1 (Stupid Name) (Lowercase e colon Capital N Lowercase y) much like the Toyota bZ4X (Lowercase b Capital Z Capital X)

£44,100 (฿1,948,925)  to £47,195 (฿2,085,452) Actual price in Thailand not yet released

Based on the HRV platform 

No Durian storage (Frunk) 

78kW charging 🤣

0-62 mph: 7.6 seconds

62kWh Lithium-ion Battery usable

 

Honda WTF Were You Thinking?! - great title to the video

 

 

 

The battery looks very bolted on and hanging very low is a literal sticking point

[Pib]

7 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

No Durian storage (Frunk) 

That design is intentional, safety, and comfort engineering as you would never want the smell of a Durian originating from the front of the vehicle to be blown into the vehicle as you speed down the road.  The Durian fumes would enter the vehicle cabin in a large quantity and overpower all occupants resulting in severe nose-pinching, blurred vision, etc., and even in an extreme case of a really ripe Durian causing unconsciousness....basically, similar to carbon dioxide poisoning in an ICEV.    

[motdaeng]

20 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Honda  e:Ny1 (Stupid Name) (Lowercase e colon Capital N Lowercase y) much like the Toyota bZ4X (Lowercase b Capital Z Capital X)

£44,100 (฿1,948,925)  to £47,195 (฿2,085,452) Actual price in Thailand not yet released

Based on the HRV platform 

the new honda prologue looks much better ... 

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

37 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Honda  e:Ny1 (Stupid Name) (Lowercase e colon Capital N Lowercase y) much like the Toyota bZ4X (Lowercase b Capital Z Capital X)

£44,100 (฿1,948,925)  to £47,195 (฿2,085,452) Actual price in Thailand not yet released

Based on the HRV platform 

No Durian storage (Frunk) 

78kW charging 🤣

0-62 mph: 7.6 seconds

62kWh Lithium-ion Battery usable

 

Honda WTF Were You Thinking?! - great title to the video

 

 

 

Nearly 2M or a Seal Performance with change, Honda won't be dominating the EV market anytime soon.

[Bandersnatch]

36 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

the new honda prologue looks much better

Built on GM’s Ultium platform, probably just for the US Market.

https://electrek.co/2023/09/28/honda-unveils-first-electric-suv-2024-range-prices/

[Andrew Dwyer]

11 hours ago, Melpomene said:

More discounts in the EV market. Apparently GAC are also refunding customers who bought previously at the higher price, which is a nice move on their part.

Yes, the EV race is heating up !

 

 

Putting Honda even further behind !

[Bandersnatch]

More EV Pickups options is a good thing.

 

Some people apparently prefer Japanese to Chinese auto manufacturers  - so here is some good news for them 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

Björn takes the honda e:Ny1 for a 1000 km challenge.

 

He’s not impressed .

[Andrew Dwyer]

Well someone didn’t like the Seal !!

Selling, on FB, a Premium in black for 1,370,000 baht with 1,100 km on the clock, with glass coating and film, reason gave …… prefers a SUV  😳

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

MG cutting the price again !!

 

 

That’s a healthy discount , especially on the Turbo X .

 

EDIT:

Apparently these are display models with 0 km , maybe making room for a facelift ?

Apparently there has been a minor change already and the display models are original and minor change ( minor change a bit more expensive ).

Edited October 20, 2023 by Andrew Dwyer

[Pib]

12 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

MG cutting the price again !!

 

 

That’s a healthy discount , especially on the Turbo X .

 

EDIT:

Apparently these are display models with 0 km , maybe making room for a facelift ?

Apparently there has been a minor change already and the display models are original and minor change ( minor change a bit more expensive ).

But aren't above just regular ICE vehicles...not even a hybrid.

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

But aren't above just regular ICE vehicles...not even a hybrid.

Yes, you are right, my bad 😞