Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, CLW said:

When I did my last research about comparison of ZS EV and EP I found out that the ZS has a full load of driver assistant systems but the EP almost none. Could be changed though with the new upgrade / facelift of EP. 

EP Plus now seems to have most of the same. 

Did a comparison, and red starred like features. 

 

Edited May 23, 2022 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

EP Plus now seems to have most of the same. 

Did a comparison, and red starred like features. 

Certainly not missing anything worth paying 180k baht more for.

[Bandersnatch]

MG update from Korat Show.

 

MG HS PHEV gets a refresh  - just seems to be cosmetic outside. It comes in 2 model trims D and X

 

 

 

The new model MG ZS EV was there as well and looks great. Much improved inside. The battery capacity has increased from 44kWh to 50.3kWh. Unfortunately we won't be getting the Long Range with the 72.6 kWh battery available in the UK. It also comes in 2 model trims D and X

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Bandersnatch

[Bandersnatch]

MG ZS EV Specs and prices

 

[KhunLA]

Cleaned up a bit, and easier to read:

 

[Bandersnatch]

 

Benz EQS launched 2 models in Thailand through 4 dealers.

 

EQS 450+ AMG Premium Price ฿8,570,000

EQS 450+ Edition 1 Price ฿8,870,000

 

Mercedes-Benz has officially announced the sale price of EQS 450+ in Thailand.

2 models are AMG Premium and Edition 1.

For importation, it will be imported through four dealers including BKK Group, Benz Praram 3, Primus Autohouse and TTC Mortor.

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Bandersnatch

[Bandersnatch]

Lots of Buzz online about Tesla in Thailand over the last few hours: 

 

Tesla has taken an important step to enter the local market. @ekapobkul/Twitter, citing documents dated April 25, reported that the manufacturer has registered to start selling vehicles, solar, and energy storage systems in Thailand. The application was signed by Tesla’s Global Senior Director of Trade Market Access, David Jon Feinstein. The company has indicated that it is registering for sales of new passenger motor vehicles, pick-up trucks, vans, and similar light motor vehicles.

 

 

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-expands-to-thailand-by-filing-for-sales-of-vehicles-solar-energy-storage-systems

 

 

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

EQS 450+ AMG Premium Price ฿8,570,000

EQS 450+ Edition 1 Price ฿8,870,000

Damn nice car, great range & feature packed.  ฿3m in the real world.

Almost reasonable.

 

But ฿8.6 on the way to ฿9m here  ...  ????

[digbeth]

Big ruckus in Thai EV circles, cat's out of the bag that Tesla has registered their official presence in Thailand

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Lots of Buzz online about Tesla in Thailand over the last few hours: 

 

Tesla has taken an important step to enter the local market. @ekapobkul/Twitter, citing documents dated April 25, reported that the manufacturer has registered to start selling vehicles, solar, and energy storage systems in Thailand. The application was signed by Tesla’s Global Senior Director of Trade Market Access, David Jon Feinstein. The company has indicated that it is registering for sales of new passenger motor vehicles, pick-up trucks, vans, and similar light motor vehicles.

Hopefully they won't be too overpriced here.  China pricing:

Model 3 RWD, the new price for 2022 is 276,740 CNY ($43,589) or ฿1,419,918

 

After China's incentives of only 11,088 CNY /  ฿56,891: 

Tesla Model 3 RWD: 265,652 CNY / ฿1,363,027

https://insideevs.com/news/558066/china-tesla-model3y-price-increase/

 

T3's now priced  at ฿3m+ in Thailand

[Bandersnatch]

37 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Hopefully they won't be too overpriced here.  China pricing:

Model 3 RWD, the new price for 2022 is 276,740 CNY ($43,589) or ฿1,419,918

 

After China's incentives of only 11,088 CNY /  ฿56,891: 

Tesla Model 3 RWD: 265,652 CNY / ฿1,363,027

https://insideevs.com/news/558066/china-tesla-model3y-price-increase/

 

T3's now priced  at ฿3m+ in Thailand

I went onto the Tesla website and tried to configure the cheapest RHD model 3 ignoring the fuel saving discount!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CapraIbex]

On 5/5/2022 at 12:43 PM, Bandersnatch said:

I charge from my home solar system,

What are the number of solar panels, specs and costs for installing such a solar system charging an EV battery exclusively. And since I reside in Buriram which is not far from Surin, could you recommend an electrical contractor to install this system.

[Bandersnatch]

46 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

What are the number of solar panels, specs and costs for installing such a solar system charging an EV battery exclusively. And since I reside in Buriram which is not far from Surin, could you recommend an electrical contractor to install this system.

A 7kW wall charger requires at least 7kW of power output so a 10kW inverter and about 10kW of PV. 
 

solar PV is about 10 Baht/Watt. 2 x 5kW inverters would cost about 36,000Baht each installation cost vary

 

For info on my system I would suggest looking at my Blog:   https://EcoHouseThailand.com

 

My installers FB page is https://www.facebook.com/buachetsolarcell/

 

This recent video from my channel gives a good overview of my system

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Bandersnatch

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

What are the number of solar panels, specs and costs for installing such a solar system charging an EV battery exclusively. And since I reside in Buriram which is not far from Surin, could you recommend an electrical contractor to install this system.

New MG ZS & EP have a 50.3 kWh battery, so charging at home, 0-100% @ PEA's < ฿5 per kW would only cost < ฿250 

 

ZS NEDC rating is 403 kms, just knocking around town, should actually get that.

EP NEDC rating is 380 kms

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

New MG ZS & EP have a 50.3 kWh battery, so charging at home, 0-100% @ PEA's < ฿5 per kW would only cost < ฿250 

 

ZS NEDC rating is 403 kms, just knocking around town, should actually get that.

EP NEDC rating is 380 kms

I think a good bit of power is lost when charging, you might want to factor that in id you're doing cost justification. 

 

But of course if you're using a "free" charger like everyone else it doesn't really matter...

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Yellowtail
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[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think a good bit of power is lost when charging, you might want to factor that in id you're doing cost justification. 

Factored in, as I used 5 baht as per kW charge, which most pay around 4.25-4.50, if not less.  So 250 is a fairly negative figure.  

 

I think most estimates are 15-20% loss.

Edited May 25, 2022 by KhunLA

[CapraIbex]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

A 7kW wall charger requires at least 7kW of power output so a 10kW inverter and about 10kW of PV. 
 

solar PV is about 10 Baht/Watt. 2 x 5kW inverters would cost about 36,000Baht each installation cost vary

 

For info on my system I would suggest looking at my Blog:   https://EcoHouseThailand.com

 

My installers FB page is https://www.facebook.com/buachetsolarcell/

 

This recent video from my channel gives a good overview of my system

 

 

Thanks for very useful information.

[Bandersnatch]

Tesla Company (Thailand) Ltd is now a registered company in Thailand, according to information found on the Department of Business Development’s website. The company registered today, on May 25, with an initial registration capital of 3 million baht.
 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/tesla-registers-as-a-company-in-thailand

[Bandersnatch]

Tesla decided not to choose Thailand or India for a new factory in Asia when it was looking last year stating both countries lack of government support for EVs. It has now been announced Tesla plans to build an EV and battery storage factory in Indonesia instead.

 

 

https://electrek.co/2022/05/20/tesla-agrees-build-battery-ev-factory-indonesia-official/

 

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Tesla decided not to choose Thailand or India for a new factory in Asia when it was looking last year stating both countries lack of government support for EVs. It has now been announced Tesla plans to build an EV and battery storage factory in Indonesia instead.

Not too surprising, with the obvious 'lack of support' and I guess Indonesia having 4X the potential customers than Thailand didn't hurt either.  Having the 4th largest population of the world.

 

China 

India  ... pass ????

USA 

Indonesia 

 

If anything, it shows how screwed up and volatile India appears to the business community.

Edited May 26, 2022 by KhunLA

[eezergood]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not too surprising, with the obvious 'lack of support' and I guess Indonesia having 4X the potential customers than Thailand didn't hurt either.  Having the 4th largest population of the world.

 

China

India

USA

Indonesia

 

If anything, it shows how screwed up and volatile India appears to the business community.

India is a tough crowd for sure

 

[CLW]

On 5/23/2022 at 1:52 PM, KhunLA said:

EP Plus now seems to have most of the same. 

Did a comparison, and red starred like features. 

 

That's safety, not Driver assist features. MG EP still doesn't have adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assistant etc.. 

[CLW]

On 5/25/2022 at 9:17 AM, KhunLA said:

Hopefully they won't be too overpriced here.  China pricing:

Model 3 RWD, the new price for 2022 is 276,740 CNY ($43,589) or ฿1,419,918

 

After China's incentives of only 11,088 CNY /  ฿56,891: 

Tesla Model 3 RWD: 265,652 CNY / ฿1,363,027

https://insideevs.com/news/558066/china-tesla-model3y-price-increase/

 

T3's now priced  at ฿3m+ in Thailand

Tesla can benefit from the zero import tax for EVs from China.

Therefore the local price more or less similar with Chinese one. Minus the Thai government incentive

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, CLW said:

That's safety, not Driver assist features. MG EP still doesn't have adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assistant etc.. 

I actually would prefer cars not have either of those.  May make some folk think the car can almost drive by itself, safely, and they may be may apt to take their eyes off the road.

[CLW]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I actually would prefer cars not have either of those.  May make some folk think the car can almost drive by itself, safely, and they may be may apt to take their eyes off the road.

Agree, you still need to drive and pay attention with all your senses. Especially with those nutters here in Thailand. 

But once you've driven a car for example with an radar adaptive control, I promise you, you won't go back. So relaxing

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, CLW said:

Tesla can benefit from the zero import tax for EVs from China.

Therefore the local price more or less similar with Chinese one. Minus the Thai government incentive

Sure that's the game plan.  I'm actually quite surprised how inexpensive, @ China pricing, the MG EVs are here.  Especially compared to the silly price folks in the UK have to pay.

 

Considering the tinker cars, Wuling & POCCO are twice the cost in TH vs CH.  I probably would have bought one of those, if same price, ballpark as China's prices, such as the MGs are here. 

 

Would be great for my daily knock around town with the dog, instead of on the scooter.  We got spritzed on a couple times yesterday with the lightest of rain while cruising around.  Barely forming a droplet, and dry within a few minutes.

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, CLW said:

Agree, you still need to drive and pay attention with all your senses. Especially with those nutters here in Thailand. 

But once you've driven a car for example with an radar adaptive control, I promise you, you won't go back. So relaxing

Nah, cruise control is enough.  I don't need or want anything else, and I never take my eyes off the road.  Sensor can't see what I look for and see.  

 

When they can spot little feet under cars as I approach a market area, then I may put my faith in them.

 

Besides, for me, less options the better, as just something else to malfunctions.   Auto makers got drivetrains down to a science, and all the complaints seem to be about options, I do fine without.   Don't use half of them now, don't need more.

[macahoom]

22 minutes ago, CLW said:

 But once you've driven a car for example with an radar adaptive control, I promise you, you won't go back. So relaxing

Interesting you say this.

 

I have read others agreeing you. But not everyone agrees.

 

I certainly don't. Both of my EVs, one of which is a very expensive all-singing, all-dancing one, have driver assist features. I hate most of them, especially the radar adaptive control. For me, it turns the car into a vehicle that is being driven by a very poor driver. Did I mention that I hate it? ????

 

Note: I do keep some switched on; I quite like the alert in the mirrors which inform me someone is sitting on my shoulder.

[Yellowtail]

I like the adaptive cruise control, but not the lane-assist.

 

[transam]

I watched this last night, all about getting from A to B...????