Large Department Store Refuses to Give Free Bag

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its ok, you are probably not mature enough to realise that some people have a preference no to carry a bag around on their person on off-chance they may pop into a shop later on in the day. 

 

No one has issues keeping shopping bags in their car or motorcycle...  with that and your discrimination comment you’re straw-manning the discussion towards stupidity. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am smart enough  to know in advance when I will be going shopping though! Usually the car or motorcycle is nearby, or I have 4 baht at least in my pocket. 

Are you really so smart ?... you can’t recognise the flawed customer service in asking a customer who has spend a decent sum of money for further money so he can carry his goods ??? 

 

I too am the same as you... Car always nearby, motorcycle always nearby, Wife with a bag always nearby, or I have money to buy a bag....   but thats not the point at all...  The point is a shop using a pretty crappy policy of charging the customer to be able to carry his shopping...  when stepping back the idea is preposterous...  thats why I understand the Op on this one. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PJ71]

11 pages - wow

[Yellowtail]

The government bows to pressure from the public and mandates no free bags, and then the public complains that they can no longer get free bags when a "large department store" abides the law.

 

Be it store policy or law, I applaud stores that follow the rules even when it costs them money.

 

If the store caves to every rude a-hole that gets noisy there will just be more and more a-holes and they will just get ruder and noisier. 

 

 

 

 

[FolkGuitar]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 The point is a shop using a pretty crappy policy of charging the customer to be able to carry his shopping...  when stepping back the idea is preposterous...  thats why I understand the Op on this one.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that there are always free boxes available if you ask for one?

 

The OP had a childish temper tantrum because he wasn't getting his own way. He could have simply asked for a free box. No one is ever forced to buy a bag. 

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Are you really so smart ?... you can’t recognise the flawed customer service in asking a customer who has spend a decent sum of money for further money so he can carry his goods ??? 

 

I too am the same as you... Car always nearby, motorcycle always nearby, Wife with a bag always nearby, or I have money to buy a bag....   but thats not the point at all...  The point is a shop using a pretty crappy policy of charging the customer to be able to carry his shopping...  when stepping back the idea is preposterous...  thats why I understand the Op on this one. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you really blinkered to what the thread is about? The OP behaved in a pedantic way, demanded free goods and acted like a colonial master. All else is superfluous. If shops were into giving out free bags to customers, we are back where we started. They  would be in breach of an agreement announced Sept. 6, 2020 between the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment and the country’s largest retail chains. 

Anyhow, it has been done to death. 

[LarrySR]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Are you really so smart ?... you can’t recognise the flawed customer service in asking a customer who has spend a decent sum of money for further money so he can carry his goods ??? 

 

I too am the same as you... Car always nearby, motorcycle always nearby, Wife with a bag always nearby, or I have money to buy a bag....   but thats not the point at all...  The point is a shop using a pretty crappy policy of charging the customer to be able to carry his shopping...  when stepping back the idea is preposterous...  thats why I understand the Op on this one. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The OP sounds like a raging alcoholic and not thinking straight.

 

Would have been super hilarious if the manager caved to his demands, gave him a bag, then as he walked away the bottom the bag tore out and the booze bottles hit the floor and shattered. 

 

[redwood1]

I will not let my mind be controlled by the greenies...

 

I support FREE plastic, Today, Tomorrow and Forever..

Edited April 27, 2022 by redwood1

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, LarrySR said:

The OP sounds like a raging alcoholic and not thinking straight.

 

Would have been super hilarious if the manager caved to his demands, gave him a bag, then as he walked away the bottom the bag tore out and the booze bottles hit the floor and shattered. 

 

Do you really think a raging alcoholic with money for three bottles would waste time squabbling over a few Baht?

 

Sounds like an a-hole to me. He was probably really buying three bottles of water hoping to save a few pennies on what seven charges. 

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, LarrySR said:

The OP sounds like a raging alcoholic and not thinking straight.

With respect, I find such a remark offensive. I wondered how you would react if such a comment was made about your health and state of mind. Whatever, the OP would have had no such problem in Siem Reap, Cambodia, where free single and multi use plastic bags and containers (for food and drink) are the "norm" as I have stated elsewhere. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

With respect, I find such a remark offensive. I wondered how you would react if such a comment was made about your health and state of mind. Whatever, the OP would have had no such problem in Siem Reap, Cambodia, where free single and multi use plastic bags and containers (for food and drink) are the "norm" as I have stated elsewhere. 

Well why not advise the OP to trade with "big department stores" in Siam Reap or Cambodia? 

[JimmyJ]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

If shops were into giving out free bags to customers, we are back where we started. They  would be in breach of an agreement announced Sept. 6, 2020 between the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment and the country’s largest retail chains. 

 

And if the 2nd shop had insisted on charging him for the bags as they should have, it might have gotten him started on bringing his own in the future.

 

I wonder if he paid more for the alcohol at the 2nd store...

[Burma Bill]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Well why not advise the OP to trade with "big department stores" in Siam Reap or Cambodia? 

Thanks, great idea - the money will then come to SIEM Reap, Cambodia and NOT Thailand!!

Edited April 27, 2022 by Burma Bill
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[LarrySR]

32 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

 

 

I wonder if he paid more for the alcohol at the 2nd store...

He was probably too wasted by then to notice...

[Yellowtail]

23 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Thanks, great idea - the money will then come to SIEM Reap, Cambodia and NOT Thailand!!

Exactly. The OP blames the staff for following the rules, when he should blame the Thai government for making the bone-headed rules. 

 

It's no different than blaming a barmaid for telling you not to smoke in a bar. It's not their fault, they're just doing their job. Blame the people that make the rules. 

 

 

 

[bert bloggs]

Only just bothered to read this,stores no longer give free bags.The wife always has one rolled up in her handbag and has about 6 in the boot of the car,for when we do the weeks shop,its not rocket science

[bbko]

Having a hissy fit over not getting something free because they are "special" where others simply pay the 4 baht and go about their lives...555.

This is the epitome of being a self entitled Karen.

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by bbko

[FolkGuitar]

3 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

 Whatever, the OP would have had no such problem in Siem Reap, Cambodia, where free single and multi use plastic bags and containers (for food and drink) are the "norm" as I have stated elsewhere. 

That Cambodia is so far behind the rest of the world in caring for its ecologic future is NOT a very desirable attribute. Certainly not one to be admired.  Let's hope that all the folks who don't give a damn about the world they live in move to Cambodia, and let Thailand and the rest of the planet work together to reduce plastic waste... one small step at a time.

[billd766]

On 4/26/2022 at 5:06 PM, LarrySR said:

If you don’t want to carry a bag then just carry 4BT. 
Call me if you need a loan. 

What is the interest rate? I don't want to get trapped by a loan shark.

[JimmyJ]

"The store manager would not give me a plastic bag for free - he wanted me to pay 4 baht like everyone else."

 

QUICK- Somebody call a wambulance!

Edited April 27, 2022 by JimmyJ

[billd766]

23 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Do you understand that he could have asked for a free box, and avoided making a scene?

 

No one is forced to buy a plastic bag.  No one is forced to carry a bag at all times. There are always boxes available for free in just about every store. The OP just wanted to demand something that wasn't available.

The bit that confuses me is that the OP is quite happy to lash out 9,000 baht on 3 bottles of alcohol but balks at paying 4 baht for a a bag to carry them in.

 

He must have known that he was shopping and spending a large amount and would need to get them home somehow.

[LarrySR]

8 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I will not let my mind be controlled by the greenies...

 

I support FREE plastic, Today, Tomorrow and Forever..

Denying man made climate change too I bet. 

Firmly in the deplorable camp I'll guess.

Edited April 27, 2022 by LarrySR

[FolkGuitar]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

The bit that confuses me is that the OP is quite happy to lash out 9,000 baht on 3 bottles of alcohol but balks at paying 4 baht for a a bag to carry them in.

 

It was never about the 4Bt.

It was an infantine man deciding that he didn't like the rule about no more free plastic bags, and demanding special treatment. He could have easily asked for a free cardboard box, but that would mean acknowledging that he was not entitled to special treatment, perhaps a very serious blow to an apparently fragile ego.

[JensenZ]

On 4/23/2022 at 11:04 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, but why should he have done that, why shouldn't the customer pay for the bag just as every other customer, many spending more than him, has to?  

 

I clipped your bizarre assertion that every Thai manager is robbing his employer.

Something in their business model was seriously flawed. They lost out 3 ways:

 

1. Lost out on a big sale.

2. Lost out on all future sales to the disgruntled customer.

3. Suffered from social media advertising of this incident. Perhaps the store wasn't named here, but it will be named by Thai people if the same happens to them.

 

It's irrelevant what people think about the attitude of the disgruntled customer because customers are always right. They could have had a few discreet bags tucked away for big spenders. Some 7Elevens did this in the early days of the ban on plastic bags. They could have have non-plastic (fabric) bags to use in such situations. They've had 2 years to think about it.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by JensenZ

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

Something in their business model was seriously flawed. They lost out 3 ways:

 

1. Lost out on a big sale.

2. Lost out on all future sales to the disgruntled customer.

3. Suffered from social media advertising of this incident. Perhaps the store wasn't named here, but it will be named by Thai people if the same happens to them.

 

It's irrelevant what people think about the attitude of the disgruntled customer because customers are always right. They could have had a few discreet bags tucked away for big spenders. Some 7Elevens did this in the early days of the ban on plastic bags. They could have have non-plastic (fabric) bags to use in such situations. They've had 2 years to think about it.

 

 

They don't care.

They don't care

They don't care.

Plenty more customers where that cry baby came from.

This is Thailand, where colonial and superior attitudes about me me me don't wash.... same whinger likely complains when single use plastic bags blow into his garden.....( he could bring it with him),

They aren't into giving out free bags... they cost a small amount and are the same price for all, not free to some!

[Yellowtail]

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Something in their business model was seriously flawed. They lost out 3 ways:

 

1. Lost out on a big sale.

Where do you shop that you consider B8,000 a "big sale" at a large department store? 

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

2. Lost out on all future sales to the disgruntled customer.

A customer that is disgruntled because they they think they should be entitled to a free bag when everyone else has to pay.

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

3. Suffered from social media advertising of this incident. Perhaps the store wasn't named here, but it will be named by Thai people if the same happens to them.

I think it a good bet that at least as many people applaud the store for not caving to some loudmouthed piker's demands. 

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

It's irrelevant what people think about the attitude of the disgruntled customer because customers are always right.

Customers are not always right. What if they refused to be served by a gay person, should the store bring over another cashier, or move the customer to the front of another line?  

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

They could have had a few discreet bags tucked away for big spenders.

A few discreet bags tucked away that would allow them to circumvent the rules to satisfy the "big-spending", loudmouthed piker, which in turn shows to anyone (particularly kids) watching that if they just get noisy enough they'll get their way. 

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Some 7Elevens did this in the early days of the ban on plastic bags. They could have have non-plastic (fabric) bags to use in such situations.

Yes, by all means, let's make the people following the rules pay for the loudmouths that think the rules do not apply to them. 

 

10 hours ago, JensenZ said:

They've had 2 years to think about it.

An the loudmouthed piker has had two years to learn he's going to need to either take a bag with him. or buy one when he gets there. 

 

 

[RanongCat]

Customer always right ? Lotus's in town not  far asks regular customers to bring bags to keep under counter so when customer has many things the staff give recycle bag free.

They have many !

[JimmyJ]

I suggest the Op return to the 1st store and negotiate:

 

Tell him you'll pay 1 Baht for the bag.

 

If you can't wear him down, after 20 minutes or so tell him "Let's split the difference".

 

Put 2 Baht on the counter.

Seeing that much money right in front of him should convince him to accept it.

 

If he still insists on 4, tell him "I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue!" and follow through.

That'll teach him.

[redwood1]

On 4/26/2022 at 4:07 PM, JetsetBkk said:

I love 'em.

 

I mean, it's not as if they get in the way or anything, or take up space, or look unsightly, or ...

 

Lol.....

[ttkeric]

Not so much as a cashier or store manager not giving in to your request but more likely a case that one of them will have to pay that our of their already meager salary if they let you have it your way. 

[JensenZ]

On 5/3/2022 at 6:44 AM, jacko45k said:

They don't care.

They don't care

They don't care.

Plenty more customers where that cry baby came from.

This is Thailand, where colonial and superior attitudes about me me me don't wash.... same whinger likely complains when single use plastic bags blow into his garden.....( he could bring it with him),

They aren't into giving out free bags... they cost a small amount and are the same price for all, not free to some!

You're wrong there (your last point). 7Elevens, which combined would probably be the biggest retailer in Thailand, give out free bags when you spend over 150 baht. Actually, they charge you for the bag and offer the 1.50 baht as a discount. You do realise the bags do not have to be plastic, but some biodegradable alternative.

 

A person who spends 10,000 in a store is not a "cry baby", but an important customer. How much money will these people spend in a year? Probably the owner, or shareholders would be pretty upset if they heard about this, and might even fire the staff incolved for not exercising common sense. Communication to the lower staff is the problem.

 

Going by your arrogant response, I would say the only person with the "superior attitude" here is you.