16 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

People who want to be sex with ladyboys are bi, but don't want to have sex with men? Who do they want to have sex with then? I would have thought a bi man would want to have sex with both men and women.

A LB lover does want to have sex with men and women. A LB is a man dressed as a woman. Unless you believe LBs are not men dressed as women. 

 

And why would that LB fan need to deny being bi? It's perfectly acceptable to be bi, gay or whatever these days. Isn't it? Surely we should promote acceptance, not denial. 

On 5/7/2022 at 7:27 PM, Ohyesuare said:

I'm not sure about that. There are some men who go with ladyboys and ladies but are not attracted to men at all so saying they have gay tendencies doesn't seem quite right. Sexual preference can just be fluid for some people where it's based more on attraction rather than what sexual organ the person they are attracted to was born with, especially those who don't dictate their lives based on religion or social norms. 

Well said.

Who cares if a guy wants to go with a ladyboy? It's no longer against the law in ( most ) western countries, and whether it's to give or receive is of nobody's business except the 2 people involved.

As I understand it, a real lady boy sees themselves as a female, so they are ( in their eyes ) not homosexuals when they have sex with a non ladyboy man, regardless of what they do with him.

2 hours ago, London Lowf said:

However, I don't believe that I am bisexual in the generally-accepted sense as I have never seen a man that I wanted to have sex with.

Except for Asian men in dresses and makeup ????

But I get what you're saying, i.e. you don't fancy men who present as men, and your honesty on this thread is refreshing and welcome. 

 

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course you're not bisexual.

People insisting that you are bi are the forun equivalents of rigid insecure-about-their-own-masculinity BULLIES who think it's their job to enforce gender norms on others. Its not their job. You're a grown assed man. You know your own sexuality.

Shouldn't you let him decide if he is bi-sexual or not? 

16 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Shouldn't you let him decide if he is bi-sexual or not? 

Of course. He said he's not. Repeatedly. What a weird question! 

39 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

A LB lover does want to have sex with men and women. A LB is a man dressed as a woman. Unless you believe LBs are not men dressed as women. 

 

And why would that LB fan need to deny being bi? It's perfectly acceptable to be bi, gay or whatever these days. Isn't it? Surely we should promote acceptance, not denial. 

A straight man having sex with a female presenting LB does NOT mean he is gay or bisexual. 
AGAIN: Sex acts are not the same thing as sexual orientation. 

You don't want to accept straight men that know they aren't gay or bisexual and you insist on labeling them something they are not based on YOUR concept of gender norms. That's classic intolerance. 

5 hours ago, London Lowf said:

I suppose that the easiest way to explain it is that ladyboys are effectively a third sex in my eyes - so maybe I am bi-sexual in the sense that I am attracted to two different sexes.

 

However, I don't believe that I am bisexual in the generally-accepted sense as I have never seen a man that I wanted to have sex with.

I would agree with you that you are not bisexual in the normal sense but that normal sense doesn't allow for ladyboys - perhaps it should.  I also understand that you are only interested in ladyboys.  But as ladyboys are not actually a 'sex' - they are males that have either had surgery and/or dress and act like a woman, then yes, I'd say you are bisexual - but only atttracted to a particular 'type'.

 

I think many people have 'types' - for example I know a guy that I suspect has a thing for exceptionally fat women - he's normal size himself and I've known him since junior school. Every woman I've ever seen him with has been massive. We've never discussed the matter but I guess its just his thing.  Then there are guys who will have sex with just about any woman - my best buddy was like that when we were in our teens - it was quite lucky for me as to coin an old (but true) phrase, 'there's always an ugly one' and my mate couldn't have cared less.

 

I'm the opposite, its more than a woman having to be attractive - even if I'd gone without for months my wedding tackle just doesn't want to know if she's not attractive or is overweight.  So there must be different forms of attraction between either straight, homosexual or gay. 

 

None of that makes a man female though.

5 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

You're getting close to a woke moment KhaoYai. Millions of women lack a full set of reproductive organs And dont forget just because  men sometimes get pregnant and have babies does not mean they are any less a man.  They need inclusion, access and equity to the full slate of women's health care including abortion. 

 

"Stop Using Phony Science to Justify Transphobia"

 https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

 

 

Please give evidence of men getting pregnant.  The only ones I can find are transgender women that are living as men.

 

I guess there could be men who were born with both sets of organs - just as there are hermaphrodites but that would be a freak of nature.  Ladyboys either have surgery or not but none of those that have had surgery have had ovaries and a womb transplated.  Even if that was scientifically possible there would be huge moral, legal and ethical hurdles to pass.

 

In any case what you are talking about is entirely different to what is being argued here.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As I understand it, a real lady boy sees themselves as a female, so they are ( in their eyes ) not homosexuals when they have sex with a non ladyboy man, regardless of what they do with him.

You've hit the nail on the head - 'in their eyes'. The facts are different - no matter how much surgery they have, there is no surgery that can completely change their biological sex and no matter how much they consider themselves 'female' they are not - neither biologically or legally.

16 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

You've hit the nail on the head - 'in their eyes'. The facts are different - no matter how much surgery they have, there is no surgery that can completely change their biological sex and no matter how much they consider themselves 'female' they are not - neither biologically or legally.

It's not about biology- it's about how someone identifies themselves.

Unless one understands that, IMO they will never understand the topic.

 

We are all different- I could never want an obese woman, but there are those that do.

 

Back in the day when ladyboy bars played better music than the girl bars in Nana I used to sit in Obssessions for a bit of entertainment. I'd buy one a drink which kept me from being pestered by every other ladyboy, and I'd have a chat with them. So I learned quite a bit about the subject. I don't know why, but I've never spoken to a Thai ladyboy that didn't speak perfect English

One time a "real female" tourist came in for a while and was asking me as to why a man would want to go with one. I had to think up a reason as to why without going into the sexual details ( I was a bit embarrassed about that with her being a stranger and all ). Don't know if I was able to satisfy her interest though.

56 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Please give evidence of men getting pregnant.  The only ones I can find are transgender women that are living as men.

 

I guess there could be men who were born with both sets of organs - just as there are hermaphrodites but that would be a freak of nature.  Ladyboys either have surgery or not but none of those that have had surgery have had ovaries and a womb transplated.  Even if that was scientifically possible there would be huge moral, legal and ethical hurdles to pass.

 

In any case what you are talking about is entirely different to what is being argued here.

It's probably possible for a man to have a baby. All the foetus needs is a blood supply, and that can be anywhere in the body with space for the baby ie the abdomen.

 

I know that because google tells me if I ask "Can a baby grow in your abdomen?"

Abdominal pregnancy is defined as the partial or total insertion of the embryo into the abdominal cavity. It is rare, and can evolve towards the full term if it is not recognized in the early pregnancy. It carries a high risk of maternal-fetal morbidity and mortality.19/11/2018

 

Soooo, if a surgeon was willing to implant a fertilised egg into a man's abdomen, it would be ( theoretically ) possible for a baby to grow there.

 

 

In the papers this morning a spokesperson for stonewall stated that" bodies are not male or female,but just bodies" you only have to look at the comments section to see what the vast majority of people think.

A man is a man

A woman is a woman

You can think what you like ,you can dress how you like,you can have as much surgery as you want ,you will never change the truth.a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

I don't think peoples biases or pseudoscientific ramblings have anything to do with what is being discussed starting with why straight men  love ladieboys. Neither do the outdated legal definitions of regressive countries have anything to do with who is a "man" or a "woman" . - Captain Monday

 

 

 

 

Please give evidence of men getting pregnant.  The only ones I can find are transgender women that are living as men.

 

I guess there could be men who were born with both sets of organs - just as there are hermaphrodites but that would be a freak of nature.  Ladyboys either have surgery or not but none of those that have had surgery have had ovaries and a womb transplated.  Even if that was scientifically possible there would be huge moral, legal and ethical hurdles to pass.

 

In any case what you are talking about is entirely different to what is being argued here

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

A LB lover does want to have sex with men and women. A LB is a man dressed as a woman. Unless you believe LBs are not men dressed as women. 

This is precisely what I'm suggesting. That someone who wants a relationship with a ladyboy views then as being a woman.

 

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

And why would that LB fan need to deny being bi?

Why not? If someone tells them they are bisexual and in a relationship with a man, but they consider themselves straight and in a relationship with a woman, what's wrong with them pointing that out?

 

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It's perfectly acceptable to be bi, gay or whatever these days. Isn't it? Surely we should promote acceptance, not denial. 

You don't sound like you're particularly accepting of anyone who thinks that a ladyboy is a woman or that a straight man could be in a relationship with one. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

It's really strange the way so many users desperately need to call other people gay or bi...

 

Perhaps we should "promote" people being able to decide for themselves?

why do men like ladyboys ,easy they like playing with boobs and penises ,they are bi .i am sure they have self denial and some on here will not agree with me ,but hay ho whatever floats yourboat

54 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

yuk. poor baby.

44 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

This is precisely what I'm suggesting. That someone who wants a relationship with a ladyboy views then as being a woman.

 

Why not? If someone tells them they are bisexual and in a relationship with a man, but they consider themselves straight and in a relationship with a woman, what's wrong with them pointing that out?

 

You don't sound like you're particularly accepting of anyone who thinks that a ladyboy is a woman or that a straight man could be in a relationship with one. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

It's really strange the way so many users desperately need to call other people gay or bi...

 

Perhaps we should "promote" people being able to decide for themselves?

Exactly.

 

Saying you are accepting in the context of trying to bully people into labels that don't fit them is the OPPOSITE of being accepting.

 

25 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

why do men like ladyboys ,easy they like playing with boobs and penises ,they are bi .i am sure they have self denial and some on here will not agree with me ,but hay ho whatever floats yourboat

Why the obsession with labeling people with labels that they don't agree with?

Can you understand how rude and hostile that is?

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

In the papers this morning a spokesperson for stonewall stated that" bodies are not male or female,but just bodies" you only have to look at the comments section to see what the vast majority of people think.

A man is a man

A woman is a woman

You can think what you like ,you can dress how you like,you can have as much surgery as you want ,you will never change the truth.a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

True but that's nothing to do with the topic, IMO.

Biological gender and gender identity are different things.

They don't always match.

Unfortunately that's too hard a concept for many to process.

40 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

yuk. poor baby.

 

What is yucky? Just a kid with two dads.

23 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

Yes Jing they are born male,they will die male,and if a man has sex with one he is either gay or bi.

However i reckon most gay men who fancy men would not be very interested in a ladyboy.

There are some very manly looking ladyboys out there that might pique their interest. However, the ladyboys might not be interested in them.

5 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

 

What is yucky? Just a kid with two dads.

Any parent that cares is better than bad parents.

On 5/9/2022 at 7:38 PM, possum1931 said:

Guys who like ladyboys are certainly not heterosexual. How can they be?

some people like Elvis, some like the Beatles... some like both. 

 

I met a guy, army macho type, who liked both ladies and lady boys... He considered ladyboys fascinating and like a third sex... maybe like Little Richard. 

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There are some very manly looking ladyboys out there that might pique their interest. However, the ladyboys might not be interested in them.

Yeah, human sexuality is wonderfully complex.

As a gay I've never been attracted to even one LB and yes many do not succeed well with their female presentation.

But occasionally I see a cute butch lesbian with a Justin Beiber haircut and I'm looking. Of course she wouldn't be interested in me. My attraction to such butch lovelies is strictly homosexual. I respond to their masculine beauty and traits.

Similarly to a straight man attracted to LBs this does NOT make me bi.

Genitals aren't everything 

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, human sexuality is wonderfully complex.

As a gay I've never been attracted to even one LB and yes many do not succeed well with their female presentation.

But occasionally I see a cute butch lesbian with a Justin Beiber haircut and I'm looking. Of course she wouldn't be interested in me. My attraction to such butch lovelies is strictly homosexual. I respond to their masculine beauty and traits.

Similarly to a straight man attracted to LBs this does NOT make me bi.

Genitals aren't everything 

Spot-on...

None of my gay friends, either Westerners or Asians, are attracted to ladyboys.

49 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

 

What is yucky? Just a kid with two dads.

if this is how the world is going ,then glad i was born before 

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, human sexuality is wonderfully complex.

As a gay I've never been attracted to even one LB and yes many do not succeed well with their female presentation.

But occasionally I see a cute butch lesbian with a Justin Beiber haircut and I'm looking. Of course she wouldn't be interested in me. My attraction to such butch lovelies is strictly homosexual. I respond to their masculine beauty and traits.

Similarly to a straight man attracted to LBs this does NOT make me bi.

Genitals aren't everything 

I ADORE the little tomboys at 7/11 with short hair and no make up. Very cute.Don't think they go in for straight middle aged Farangs either.

5 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

I ADORE the little tomboys at 7/11 with short hair and no make up. Very cute.Don't think they go in for straight middle aged Farangs either.

Yes...for the most part the Toms here are so smart looking.  They also seem to have the brains more than the straights...at least in the shops.  They are confident and helpful and seem to understand better.

 

I prefer them to the scary big butch 'bull dykes' you get in the UK.  They terrify me! 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

 

What is yucky? Just a kid with two dads.

Glad i grew up with a mum who didnt have a beard.