Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[KanchanaburiGuy]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Ridiculous....but at least you didn't take 1,000 words to make yet another nonsensical claim.  Even if Garland were to recuse himself, so what?  His next-in-command could easily shepherd Trump's prosecution. 

 

The wheels of justice move slowly.  But at least now they're going after that whole fake electors caper. 

 

[The Department of Justice reportedly is criminally investigating the formation of alternate slates of presidential electors for Donald Trump as part of a plan to undo President Joe Biden's 2020 election win.

That probe is particularly focused on a team of attorneys who were working for Trump on that effort, The New York Times reported.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-criminally-investigating-plan-for-alternate-trump-electors-with-focus-on-lawyers-report-says/ar-AAYy8Qd?ocid=wispr&cvid=5a2082419e9949c2b3b032ba1f6e4c28

Yeah, sorry. Sometimes it takes me 1,000 words to be as ridiculous as others manage with far fewer........... 

 

Cheers! 

 

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(By the way, there's a wonderful scene in the movie Amadeus where Mozart has just performed his new masterpiece for the king. 

 

After finishing, Amadeus turns to the king to see his reaction. 

 

The only thing the king says is, "My, it seems to have a lot of notes. Does there need to be so many notes?"

 

To which Mozart replies, "I'm sorry your highness, it only has as many notes as it took." 

 

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I always think of that scene and chuckle............ whenever someone deems it necessary to criticize the lengthiness of my posts........ . "It only contains as many words as it took!") 

 

Cheers, again! 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

[heybruce]

46 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Looking back at the last six or seven years, it looks like it's the Democrats who are the champions of never-ending harassment.

The Democrats tried to play the Republican game (remember Mitch McConnell's determination to make Obama a "one-term President" and his refusal to bring Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court up in the Senate?) but they were never as good at it as the Republicans. 

 

What success the Democrats had during the Trump years was due to Trump's rejection of long established ethical standards, admiration of autocrats (especially Putin), contempt for democratic allies, and general incompetence.

Edited June 17, 2022 by heybruce

[Phoenix Rising]

10 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Your premise depends heavily on something not yet proven............ that Trump knew he was lying. That he, "believed his own lies." 

 

I've asked a couple of times in this thread whether anyone could present any evidence, testimony, speech transcripts or clips, or interview segments............. ANY AT ALL.......... where Trump EVER said something that indicates that he doesn't wholeheartedly believe everything he's been saying about the election. 

 

So far, nothing. Nothing, nada, zero, zip! 

 

See, for someone to "believe their own lies," first they have to know they ARE lies. 

 

To this point, there are probably HUNDREDS of clips of Trump speaking about this issue......... as well as many hours of testimony on record by people who saw him frequently or even daily.......... yet, as far as I've seen, there's not one indicator.......... NOT ONE!........ that Trump doesn't believe 100% in the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of what he's saying! 

 

It's not "believing your own lies"......... when you believe you are speaking the absolute truth! 

 

So sorry, a counter-argument saying he's been "believing his own lies"........... doesn't fly. Produce some evidence that Trump doesn't believe in the absolute truth of what he's been saying........... JUST ONE!........ and that'll change everything!

 

Certainly, asking for examples a couple of times here............. still has yet to produced any!

 

Can you? 

 

Cheers! 

"It's not "believing your own lies"......... when you believe you are speaking the absolute truth!"

 

From a guilty/not guilty perspective that's totally irrelevant. A guy who feeds arsenic to babies because he believes it's good for them is just as guilty as a guy who does it for fun.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Yeah, sorry. Sometimes it takes me 1,000 words to be as ridiculous as others manage with far fewer........... 

 

Cheers! 

 

You underestimate yourself.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Your premise depends heavily on something not yet proven............ that Trump knew he was lying. That he, "believed his own lies." 

 

 

No it does not, read his link again, it relies on:

 

Judges commonly instruct juries that “willful blindness” to facts in front of you establishes criminal intent. 

 

Definition: Willful blindness involves conscious avoidance of the truth

 

Which makes the rest of your post redundant

Edited June 17, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The Democrats tried to play the Republican game (remember Mitch McConnell's determination to make Obama a "one-term President" and his refusal to bring Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court up in the Senate?) but they were never as good at it as the Republicans. 

 

What success the Democrats had during the Trump years was due to Trump's rejection of long established ethical standards, admiration of autocrats (especially Putin), contempt for democratic allies, and general incompetence.

You mean that Trump wasn't a career politician.

 

As far as "general incompetence" goes, it looks like this undisputed title belongs to Joe Biden. 

[heybruce]

56 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You mean that Trump wasn't a career politician.

 

As far as "general incompetence" goes, it looks like this undisputed title belongs to Joe Biden. 

There are many people who are not career politicians who maintain reasonable ethical standards and prefer democracy to autocracy.  But not Trump, he was and is a career con-man.  His conning gullible donors to contribute a to non-existent Election Defense Fund illustrates that.

 

Biden's biggest blunder was to stick to Trump's Afghanistan Peace Plan, and to not move fast enough to undo the damaging tariffs Trump put in place.  Other than that he's done a reasonable job dealing with the mess Trump left him, and an outstanding job rallying allies to support Ukraine.

Edited June 17, 2022 by heybruce

[bannork]

1 hour ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Your premise depends heavily on something not yet proven............ that Trump knew he was lying. That he, "believed his own lies." 

 

I've asked a couple of times in this thread whether anyone could present any evidence, testimony, speech transcripts or clips, or interview segments............. ANY AT ALL.......... where Trump EVER said something that indicates that he doesn't wholeheartedly believe everything he's been saying about the election. 

 

So far, nothing. Nothing, nada, zero, zip! 

 

See, for someone to "believe their own lies," first they have to know they ARE lies. 

 

To this point, there are probably HUNDREDS of clips of Trump speaking about this issue......... as well as many hours of testimony on record by people who saw him frequently or even daily.......... yet, as far as I've seen, there's not one indicator.......... NOT ONE!........ that Trump doesn't believe 100% in the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of what he's saying! 

 

It's not "believing your own lies"......... when you believe you are speaking the absolute truth! 

 

So sorry, a counter-argument saying he's been "believing his own lies"........... doesn't fly. Produce some evidence that Trump doesn't believe in the absolute truth of what he's been saying........... JUST ONE!........ and that'll change everything!

 

Certainly, asking for examples a couple of times here............. still has yet to produced any!

 

Can you? 

 

Cheers! 

If he believes in the absolute truth of what he's saying whilst countless officials have proven that belief to be a falsehood, then he is hopelessly deluded, like flat earth believers, and  urgently needs psychiatric help

[Hummin]

If Trump stayed in office, Mexico would have been Usa’s Ukraine! 
 

Just think about it, how he could have used same arguments about the corrupt Mexico to invade and take over government and replace it. 
 

How many Americans would accepted his reasons, loking back when we see how many republicans still support Trump after the riots 6. of january, and know what happend there. Unbelievable people do not see

Edited June 17, 2022 by Hummin

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If Trump stayed in office, Mexico would have Usa’s Ukraine! 
 

Just think about it, how he could have used same arguments about the corrupt Mexico to invade and take over government and replace it with. 
 

How many Americans would accepted his reasons, loking back when we see how many republicans still support Trump after the riots 6 of january, and know what happend there. Unbelievable people do not see

The MAGA crowd are very adept at seeing what they want to see and facts be damned. The white angst must really run deep in that crowd.

[nauseus]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

There are many people who are not career politicians who maintain reasonable ethical standards and prefer democracy to autocracy.  But not Trump, he was and is a career con-man.  His conning gullible donors to contribute a to non-existent Election Defense Fund illustrates that.

 

Biden's biggest blunder was to stick to Trump's Afghanistan Peace Plan, and to not move fast enough to undo the damaging tariffs Trump put in place.  Other than that he's done a reasonable job dealing with the mess Trump left him, and an outstanding job rallying allies to support Ukraine.

Your point of view but, looking at all approval polls, that view is not shared by the majority of Americans.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your point of view but, looking at all approval polls, that view is not shared by the majority of Americans.

So you don't believe in election results but are OK with poll results??

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The MAGA crowd are very adept at seeing what they want to see and facts be damned. The white angst must really run deep in that crowd.

Yes its pathetic and very dangerous.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If Trump stayed in office, Mexico would have Usa’s Ukraine! 
 

Just think about it, how he could have used same arguments about the corrupt Mexico to invade and take over government and replace it with. 
 

How many Americans would accepted his reasons, loking back when we see how many republicans still support Trump after the riots 6 of january, and know what happend there. Unbelievable people do not see

I don't think white nationalists.would be interested in Mexico though. The US already conquered a huge chunk of Mexico long ago.

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

So you don't believe in election results but are OK with poll results??

The ratings today are relevant to the conversation I was having with someone else.

 

I didn't mention poll results. Try your luck at the next beat.  

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your point of view but, looking at all approval polls, that view is not shared by the majority of Americans.

I seriously doubt that the majority of Americans think Trump is ethical.

[mikeymike100]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

You mean that Trump wasn't a career politician.

 

As far as "general incompetence" goes, it looks like this undisputed title belongs to Joe Biden. 

Can't argue with you, no one else could be that bad!

[Hummin]

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't think white nationalists.would be interested in Mexico though. The US already conquered a huge chunk of Mexico long ago.

Trump repeatedly saying he would invade Mexico, bomb drug cartels, send missils and of course this will over time form his supporters. Putins mission was to protect russians in donbass and other part of the eastern region, and his target was Azov and other private armies out of control. Dont see the similarities? 
 

Just google “trump invading mexico” and see what he said and how often

Edited June 17, 2022 by Hummin

[candide]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Trump repeatedly saying he would invade Mexico, bomb drug cartels, send missils and of course this will over time form his supporters. Putins mission was to protect russians in donbass and other part of the eastern region, and his target was Azov and other private armies out of control. Dont see see the similarities? 
 

Just google “trump invading mexico” and see what he said and how often

The problem is that Trump tells so much B.S. that a large part of it nearly gets unnoticed.

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

The problem is that Trump tells so much B.S. that a large part of it nearly gets unnoticed.

But during time, it have an effect, like now repeating the cheating votes over and over, again and again. 
 

repeat a lie often enough,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looking back at the last six or seven years, it looks like it's the Democrats who are the champions of never-ending harassment.

What about Ken Starr investigating Clinton for 7 years before finding nothing and accusing him of lying to protect his marriage?

[Jingthing]

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Trump repeatedly saying he would invade Mexico, bomb drug cartels, send missils and of course this will over time form his supporters. Putins mission was to protect russians in donbass and other part of the eastern region, and his target was Azov and other private armies out of control. Dont see the similarities? 
 

Just google “trump invading mexico” and see what he said and how often

Not similar at all. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Not similar at all. 

It called massiv propaganda to lead people to believe the truth they want them to believe. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

It called massiv propaganda to lead people to believe the truth they want them to believe. 

Trump is an isolationist. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Trump is an isolationist. 

Still he use same methods and tools as any dictator and historic leaders in his way and favor to please his fans. 

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  Stay on topic, please. 

 

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

If Trump stayed in office, Mexico would have been Usa’s Ukraine! 
 

Just think about it, how he could have used same arguments about the corrupt Mexico to invade and take over government and replace it.

As for the tactic of the Russians handing out Russian passports in occupied Ukraine, can you imagine if he did that in Mexico?  Those patriots would be erecting their next gallows for the guy in the corset!

 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, bendejo said:

As for the tactic of the Russians handing out Russian passports in occupied Ukraine, can you imagine if he did that in Mexico?  Those patriots would be erecting their next gallows for the guy in the corset!

 

Well, There is a small minor difference since many Russians have been left behind with the seperation of Soviet empire, and there have been easy to manipulate Russians feelings to believe the propaganda given by Putin, but remember BBC among more western media had several critical documentaries about Azov and other private armies in Ukraine harming Russians. Also the years of wide covering Ukraine as the most corrupt country in Europe, backed by Trump. Coincidence?

 

Trump wanted to protect americans from dirty criminal Mexicans by invading and bomb the criminal cartels there, and also clean up the corrupt politicians, army and police! 

[bendejo]

I'm getting the impression the defense for Team Insurrection is going to lean a lot on the "I can't help it" defense.  DT can't be held responsible because he believed alternate facts.  Giuliani wasn't responsible because he was drunk.  Anybody remember the diminished capacity defense? 

I have met a few people over the years who are arrogant can't-be-wrong bozos, but when they are caught out they retreat into an excuse about a sort circuit in the head of some sort.  One insufferable clown I had to work with couldn't handle being wrong, and when necessary would say he is "almost dyslexic."

 

I can't see DT pleading mental incapacity.  I also can't see him doing the pathetic old man schtick, going to court in a wheelchair (is Bill Cosby still as crippled and blind as he was at his first sentencing?).  Giuliani?  All bets are off on that one!

 

 

[bendejo]

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Trump wanted to protect americans from dirty criminal Mexicans by invading and bomb the criminal cartels there, and also clean up the corrupt politicians, army and police! 

Maybe he can incite inspire his followers to invade Mexico themselves, a la 1/6.  Drug cartels vs hillbilly uprising.  Sounds like a plot for a low-budget movie.