whaleboneman Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, lujanit said: Since when are parrot fish endangered? The title is just wrong. Since they stopped brushing their teeth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencer Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Excel said: This is not the US, it is Thailand so yarns from other countries are neither here or there. It is about illegal fishing in a Thai national park. Oh...so you have never compared an experience, law, act, food, attraction, people, event, whatever between one country and another? WOW...you are amazing! Woo-hoo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Silencer said: Oh...so you have never compared an experience, law, act, food, attraction, people, event, whatever between one country and another? WOW...you are amazing! Woo-hoo. This thread is not about any type of comparisons. It is about someone killing a protected animal in a Thai national park. Perhaps you should start a separate thread on "Endangered species, their protection and penalties from around the world". if you wish to contribute relevant info on that specific subject matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, Excel said: Not really https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/thai/tycoon-sentenced-12082021160110.html They do make examples sometimes, like the cop who got 25 years for shooting the noodle seller. They are high profile cases. However they are exceptions, in general sadly its as I said before!! How many times have you seen on this forum, lady-boys assaulting and or stealing from tourists and getting a 500 baht fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 55 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said: Yes and therein lies the problem? One law for the Thais and seemingly another for everyone else! Same laws sir, just different applications. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said: They do make examples sometimes, like the cop who got 25 years for shooting the noodle seller. They are high profile cases. However they are exceptions, in general sadly its as I said before!! How many times have you seen on this forum, lady-boys assaulting and or stealing from tourists and getting a 500 baht fine? Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with some of the Thai news media, you may be surprised as to how often Thais are caught and punished 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbkk Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 hours ago, aussienam said: The Act carries 5 years prison Is that per fish or per trip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Excel said: Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with some of the Thai news media, you may be surprised as to how often Thais are caught and punished I am not saying that Thais are not caught and punished, they are every day! What I am suggesting is that the punishment a Thai would get and the punishment a non Thai would get for the exact same offense in general are different. In this case if a Thai was caught killing a few fish, do you think the same news coverage and talk of 5 years imprisonment would occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, mikeymike100 said: Got to agree with you. What happened to the captain? He is responsible for everything that happens on his boat? The young guy made a mistake, gave himself up and apologized. He killed a few fish and they could give him 5 years? What a complete joke, just shows Thailand for what it is, completely out of touch with reality. Give him a fine and send him home, but no blacklist, that would be fair! if Thailand ain't up to your lofty standards then why did you even step foot in the country? you're from the perfect "first world" so you should know better ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Same laws sir, just different applications. Quite so!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, mikeymike100 said: I am not saying that Thais are not caught and punished, they are every day! What I am suggesting is that the punishment a Thai would get and the punishment a non Thai would get for the exact same offense in general are different. In this case if a Thai was caught killing a few fish, do you think the same news coverage and talk of 5 years imprisonment would occur? Yes I do when any report lists the offence that someone is accused of and then go on to explain the penalties that could be imposed for committing such offence. It happens often. Its just that perhaps Thais have not been caught spearing protected species in a national park, as perhaps they have more sense then to put it on tiktok unlike this chappie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said: if Thailand ain't up to your lofty standards then why did you even step foot in the country? you're from the perfect "first world" so you should know better ???? Unfortunately you are making it personal! Just stick to the facts? Nobody in Thailand knows all the laws, even, especially the police! How can anyone expect a tourist who is on vacation to know everything? However the captain of the boat should definitely know and should have explained to the tourist, what he can and cannot do. The tourist is at fault and should be punished, the captain is also at fault and should be punished. But 5 years in prison?? That is not reality, even in Thailand!???? Edited August 18, 2022 by mikeymike100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Excel said: Yes I do when any report lists the offence that someone is accused of and then go on to explain the penalties that could be imposed for committing such offence. It happens often. Its just that perhaps Thais have not been caught spearing protected species in a national park, as perhaps they have more sense then to put it on tiktok unlike this chappie. I certainly agree this tourist was a complete idiot to put it on social media, that's what caught him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, mikeymike100 said: Unfortunately you are making it personal! Just stick to the facts? Nobody in Thailand knows all the laws, even especially the police! How can anyone expect a tourist who is on vacation to know everything? However the captain of the boat should definitely know and should have explained to the tourist, what he can and cannot do. The tourist is at fault and should be punished, the captain is also at fault and should be punished. dude, he's 1) a "professional" spearfisher and 2) he's from the West. Westerners are perfect* so how come he doesn't know what's what? as for making it personal, don't flatter yourself. i try to shout down as many Thai bashers as I can. you live here now, stop whining about the place. it's nowhere near as bad as you Chaang bottle half-empty types make it out to be. *source: Westerners on here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 ...Sad....And Sickening.... ...People Hacked To Death Daily Here... ...Or Mowed Down In The Streets.... ...Or Burned To Death In Illegal Establishments.... ,,,And Yet...They Make Parole....And Pay A Token Fine....Or A Relative Pittance... ...And Yet...This Person....A Paying Tourist....Misled By Those He Put His Money & Trust In.... ...Will Be Made An Example Of....(?) ...Sad And Sickening..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, webfact said: The 22-year-old man faces up to five years of imprisonment if convicted in court and will almost certainly be ordered deported and blacklisted from the kingdom. A so called professional fisherman who didn't ask the first question everyone should ask: IS IT LEGAL TO FISH HERE AND DO I NEED A SPECIAL LICENCE? I also ask while the news is all about this guy is the Captain of the boat also arrested? Thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Iamfalang said: These influencers, tik-tockers, 22 year old kids should not be allowed to destroy the beauty and kill the fish of Thailand. 100 days of shame in the media (no defamation laws for him), blacklisted for life, deported of course, and this should send a message. Or 100-year jail sentence and then negotiate for a prisoner swap. There might be a Thai held in jail for stealing chocolate in the Netherlands. ser, I think you need to take a couple of Bex and have a good lie down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeBob Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 "Silpa-archa" - sounds like I've heard this name before. Some relative on his carrier ladder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said: dude, he's 1) a "professional" spearfisher and 2) he's from the West. Westerners are perfect* so how come he doesn't know what's what? as for making it personal, don't flatter yourself. i try to shout down as many Thai bashers as I can. you live here now, stop whining about the place. it's nowhere near as bad as you Chaang bottle half-empty types make it out to be. *source: Westerners on here He was a stupid tourist, who made a mistake, gave Himself up and apologized. He just get fined and sent home. The captain should also be fined! You are suggesting I am bashing Thais? Where am i bashing Thais? Neither am I whining about the place. You seem to be making things up, its like you have an agenda? Just stick to the facts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, mikeymike100 said: He was a stupid tourist, who made a mistake, gave Himself up and apologized. He just get fined and sent home. The captain should also be fined! You are suggesting I am bashing Thais? Where am i bashing Thais? Neither am I whining about the place. You seem to be making things up, its like you have an agenda? Just stick to the facts! "5 years? What a complete joke, just shows Thailand for what it is, completely out of touch with reality." case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Orinoco Posted August 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said: i try to shout down as many Thai bashers as I can. That's nice. Edited August 18, 2022 by Orinoco 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, webfact said: The 22-year-old man faces up to five years of imprisonment if convicted in court He also faces the prospect of a small fine and no jail time, five years is the maximum punishment, it is not mandatory. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Excel said: Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with some of the Thai news media, you may be surprised as to how often Thais are caught and punished Here's a recent one for you, from an expat comic where a Thai man faces up to ten years in jail after being arrested for selling coral online, a potential 10 year jail sentence being reported here, Thai man faces prison for growing & selling corals online | Thaiger (thethaiger.com) Edited August 18, 2022 by Excel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusyB Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gecko123 said: You would think that someone who describes himself as a "professional spear fisherman" would have a greater awareness of what species and areas were off-limits, but I agree the boat owner/guide ought to bear some responsibility as well. My only advice to this guy at this point is to lose the tank top, shorts, and sandals, and to take off his headgear indoors when interacting with the police, the courts, or the media. He may also want to pay more attention to his sitting posture and avoid fiddling with his smart phone in the presence of authorities. As justifiably proud as he may be of his physique, his wardrobe and posture are conveying a level of machoism that is working against efforts he has made to express contrition about what he has done. Instead his wardrobe and posture are conveying a lack of awareness about the seriousness of the laws he has broken, and is probably helping fuel public perceptions that punishment is warranted. What you see is what you get. If it walks like a duck ... Strikes me as a rather sad character actually. Edited August 18, 2022 by BusyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Gecko123 said: You would think that someone who describes himself as a "professional spear fisherman" would have a greater awareness of what species and areas were off-limits, but I agree the boat owner/guide ought to bear some responsibility as well. My only advice to this guy at this point is to lose the tank top, shorts, and sandals, and to take off his headgear indoors when interacting with the police, the courts, or the media. He may also want to pay more attention to his sitting posture and avoid fiddling with his smart phone in the presence of authorities. As justifiably proud as he may be of his physique, his wardrobe and posture are conveying a level of machoism that is working against efforts he has made to express contrition about what he has done. Instead his wardrobe and posture are conveying a lack of awareness about the seriousness of the laws he has broken, and is probably helping fuel public perceptions that punishment is warranted. Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtrnuno41 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I stil remember the black panter killing, looked it up and there it was. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/thai-court-affirms-tycoons-prison-sentence-poaching-81619900 You can read in article, he killed several animals. Look at the verdict. Only had to pay 2 million baht. It doesnt say if he really had and did go to jail. The jailing of Premchai is a rare case of a rich, influential Thai having to serve time for wrongdoing. BANGKOK -- Thailand’s Supreme Court on Wednesday affirmed a three-year, two-month prison sentence for a top construction tycoon in connection with a poaching incident in a wildlife sanctuary in which a black panther was shot and cooked over a campfire. Even 2 additional persons were convicted, DRIVER and fellow hunter. So maybe stupid Dutch is getting less, or maybe more as he is not a tycoon? Maybe now he learned, dont put your life on internet, it can backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 10 hours ago, smedly said: how about the boat captain who was in charge of everything going on on his boat, he is 100% responsible for all activities on his boat, he is the guide From linked article ‘Officers from Phi Phi Police Station are collecting evidence and will prosecute Roslan according to the law. The boat owner, boat service, and speargun renter are also under investigation.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, mrfill said: From linked article ‘Officers from Phi Phi Police Station are collecting evidence and will prosecute Roslan according to the law. The boat owner, boat service, and speargun renter are also under investigation.’ No arrest of boat captain, so means nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Removed an incomprehensible post (ferrlung) and the reply to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke1959 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) A good lawyer will end this madness I think, but in Thailand it is common to be extra strict on foreigners.... Let the tourists come in !!!!! Edited August 18, 2022 by ikke1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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