Biden speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence

[candide]

As compared to some Republicans, Biden's statements were quite measured. ????

 

"Trump told you the election was stolen to rip you off, to sucker you, to take your hard-earned money and shovel it into his pockets. He spent it on himself not to take back the White House," 

It was the biggest scam in political history. Every dollar you sent him paid to keep his shady business empire and lavish lifestyle going. It was a sucker game all along. And you know who the sucker is? You,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-maga-fox-ad-gets-rise-out-trump-lincoln-project-2022-9?r=US&IR=T

[LosLobo]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:06 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Unfortunately when one continues saying "doom and gloom violence" as you are over and over again some folks will begin to believe it. The MSN are calling it civil war? The only logical explanation is the liberals want a few of the nutters to actually do something. Of course there's some conservative nutters out there. But biden wants to smear all who aren't on his side as being a nutter and that's not true.

 

You write as if you know their "intent" on 6/1. What is the Storm? Sounds ominous as did biden's speech. 

 

If their was an intent to have as the liberal nutters call an insurrection, they (the folks on 6/1 would have been armed to the teeth. 

"The folks on 6/1 would have been armed to the teeth". 

 

There were magnetometers at the entrance of the rally to stop guns.

 

Yet, there were "......reports of a man with an AR-15 in a tree on Constitution Avenue who was accompanied by two men with pistols on their hips. Another officer radioed, “I’ve got three men walking down the street in fatigues carrying AR-15s".

 

Later, Trump asked the Secret Service to remove the magnetometers because he knew the guns were not there to harm him.

 

Guns on Jan. 6: Multiple people brought firearms to Washington - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

[candide]

Pennsylvania governor candidate Doug Mastriano prayed Trump would 'seize the power' ahead of January 6, video shows

"I pray that we'll take responsibility — we'll seize the power that we had given to us by the Constitution, and as well by You, providentially. I pray for the leaders also in the federal government, God, on the 6th of January that they will rise up with boldness," he said.

https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-governor-candidate-doug-mastriano-014302235.html

Edited September 11, 2022 by metisdead
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[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Pennsylvania governor candidate Doug Mastriano prayed Trump would 'seize the power' ahead of January 6, video shows

"I pray that we'll take responsibility — we'll seize the power that we had given to us by the Constitution, and as well by You, providentially. I pray for the leaders also in the federal government, God, on the 6th of January that they will rise up with boldness," he said.

https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-governor-candidate-doug-mastriano-014302235.html

Mastriano is not featured in this cobbled-together VDO. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Pennsylvania governor candidate Doug Mastriano prayed Trump would 'seize the power' ahead of January 6, video shows

"I pray that we'll take responsibility — we'll seize the power that we had given to us by the Constitution, and as well by You, providentially. I pray for the leaders also in the federal government, God, on the 6th of January that they will rise up with boldness," he said.

https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-governor-candidate-doug-mastriano-014302235.html

Then there's this, video still on twitter:

 

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for the death of Nancy Pelosi for “treason.” She deleted this video from her FB page. Biden is 100% correct. MAGA is Fascism.

 

Here she is again from yesterday:

 

Marge corroborates Bannon that MAGAs were raided today by the FBI, and says they are connected to J6: “35 people from Pres Trump’s MAGA circle, the inner circle. I’ve been talking to some of them myself today and it terrifying. They’re building a conspiracy, a spider web.”

 

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20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Mastriano is not featured in this cobbled-together VDO. 

Here's a link to the video

If you don't have much patience for blithering patriotic piety, you can skip to about 1:50 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX95kTloZBU

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Here's a link to the video

If you don't have much patience for blithering patriotic piety, you can skip to about 1:50 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX95kTloZBU

 

Thanks for posting that and it should make the MAGA maniacs very happy to think that this "senator" is on their side, however I'm hopeful that some action will be taken against him for inciting or supporting a riot/insurrection, especially because he mentions the "fraud" with regard to the election, thereby perpetuating the very dangerous lie, which has already resulted in loss of life.

I really didn't think that there would be so many dumb people still falling for this nonsense, and this guy is a senator, so god help the USA.
 

[candide]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Mastriano is not featured in this cobbled-together VDO. 

I don't know. I never watch videos. But there' are quotes in the article. Do you claim they are fake quotes?

Edited September 11, 2022 by candide

[Hanaguma]

Considering that Biden himself predicated his presidential campain in 2020 on a lie, and also was a 2016 election denier, he needs to be a bit more circumspect in how he talks.  

 

Some things he did not mention in his screed;  inflation, opiod addiction, border policy, migrants, education, energy, prices, etc.  Yet he DID manage to say "maga" 13 times. So who was the actual audience, I wonder.

[candide]

51 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Thanks for posting that and it should make the MAGA maniacs very happy to think that this "senator" is on their side, however I'm hopeful that some action will be taken against him for inciting or supporting a riot/insurrection, especially because he mentions the "fraud" with regard to the election, thereby perpetuating the very dangerous lie, which has already resulted in loss of life.

I really didn't think that there would be so many dumb people still falling for this nonsense, and this guy is a senator, so god help the USA.
 

When fascism flirts with religion  it's never a good sign.

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

I don't know. I never watch videos. But there' are quotes in the article. Do you claim they are fake quotes?

From what I've seen from Yahoo there is a good chance of that.

 

Mastriano heard the numerous complaints from voters in the PA state senate hearings - these were never allowed to go further, due to so-called "lack of standing", or whatever - I'm not surprised he believes there was wrongdoing. 

[candide]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

From what I've seen from Yahoo there is a good chance of that.

 

Mastriano heard the numerous complaints from voters in the PA state senate hearings - these were never allowed to go further, due to so-called "lack of standing", or whatever - I'm not surprised he believes there was wrongdoing. 

Isn't it in the video linked by placeholder?

 

You mean the hearings he himself organised, in which testimonies were not under oath? The one over which the ghost Hugo Chavez was hovering? ????

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Considering that Biden himself predicated his presidential campain in 2020 on a lie, and also was a 2016 election denier, he needs to be a bit more circumspect in how he talks.  

 

Some things he did not mention in his screed;  inflation, opiod addiction, border policy, migrants, education, energy, prices, etc.  Yet he DID manage to say "maga" 13 times. So who was the actual audience, I wonder.

What was the lie and where is the evidence of it and that of Biden denying the 2016 election result?

All those issues are problems in all countries in the democratic western world at the moment and if Trump was in power, heaven forbid, he would still have all of those issues.

 

Yet, most of those other countries of the world, do not have such a big threat to democracy as MAGA.

 

Wonder no more, the audience was those who had not partaken of the cult leader's kool-aid. Obviously not you!

 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by LosLobo

[Hanaguma]

38 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

What was the lie and where is the evidence of it and that of Biden denying the 2016 election result?

All those issues are problems in all countries in the democratic western world at the moment and if Trump was in power, heaven forbid, he would still have all of those issues.

 

Yet, most of those other countries of the world, do not have such a big threat to democracy as MAGA.

 

Wonder no more, the audience was those who had not partaken of the cult leader's kool-aid. Obviously not you!

 

 

The lie is Biden's claim that, after the Charlottesville riots, Trump said that there were "very fine people on both sides" in the sense that some of the neo-Nazis were very fine people. Biden claimed, "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,".

 

The President did NOT say that.  He actually specifically CONDEMNED them.  In fact, he said;  "And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists." This was in discussing the removal of Confederate statues, NOT the racist marches.  And he was correct. The statue protest was one thing, the racist marches another entirely. 

 

Biden deliberately lied and deliberately misconstrued the remarks to make political points.

 

The denial comes from this article:

 

https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

 

A voter said that Trump was "an illegitimate President in her mind" and Biden said, "I absoultely agree". 

 

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53 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The lie is Biden's claim that, after the Charlottesville riots, Trump said that there were "very fine people on both sides" in the sense that some of the neo-Nazis were very fine people. Biden claimed, "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,".

 

The President did NOT say that.  He actually specifically CONDEMNED them.  In fact, he said;  "And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists." This was in discussing the removal of Confederate statues, NOT the racist marches.  And he was correct. The statue protest was one thing, the racist marches another entirely. 

 

Biden deliberately lied and deliberately misconstrued the remarks to make political points.

 

The denial comes from this article:

 

https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

 

A voter said that Trump was "an illegitimate President in her mind" and Biden said, "I absoultely agree". 

 

He specfically condemned Neo Nazis and White nationalists a couple of days after he made the "were very fine people on both sides" comment. That was only after a storm of condemnation followed his original remarks.

He also lied:

In the follow-up comments he claimed that the mother of Heather Heyer, the young woman killed by the Neo Nazi, had done this:

" In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/12/heather-heyers-mother-has-message-trump-please-think-before-you-speak/

In fact she wrote no such thing.

“Once I heard what he had to say, I just said I think he’s busy and I’m busy, and neither one of us really has time to talk to one another,” Bro said on CNN.

Shortly after her daughter’s killing, Bro had said that she did not want to hear from Trump, since, she said, he had equated counterprotesters to white supremacists."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/12/heather-heyers-mother-has-message-trump-please-think-before-you-speak/

 

As for equating Biden's single comment of "Absolutely" which was just a reply to a question from someone in the audience to the nonstop screeches and whinings of Donald Trump about the 2020 election is absurd. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by placeholder

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He specfically condemned Neo Nazis and White nationalists a couple of days after he made the "were very fine people on both sides" comment. That was only after a storm of condemnation followed his original remarks.

He also lied:

'In the follow-up comments he claimed that the mother of Heather Heyer, the young woman killed by the Neo Nazi, had done this:

 In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/12/heather-heyers-mother-has-message-trump-please-think-before-you-speak/

In fact she wrote no such thing.

“Once I heard what he had to say, I just said I think he’s busy and I’m busy, and neither one of us really has time to talk to one another,” Bro said on CNN.

Shortly after her daughter’s killing, Bro had said that she did not want to hear from Trump, since, she said, he had equated counterprotesters to white supremacists."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/12/heather-heyers-mother-has-message-trump-please-think-before-you-speak/

 

As for equating Biden's single comment of "Absolutely" which was just a reply to a question from someone in the audience to the nonstop screeches and whinings of Donald Trump about the 2020 election is absurd. 

Biden deliberately mischaracterized and misquoted the President. The facts are clear on that. Trump did NOT call the racists and neo-Nazis "fine people" yet Biden claimed that he did.   It was a foul and divisive way to start his campaign. 

 

As for Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, how often would he have to do so for it to 'count'?  Once is just a 'gimme'? Yet to be fair Biden was not alone in disputing the results of the 2016 election. The losing candidate (Clinton) also did so for years. As did Biden's current press secretary.  So the hyperventilating over Republicans disputing the results of the 2020 election needs to stop. 

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Biden deliberately mischaracterized and misquoted the President. The facts are clear on that. Trump did NOT call the racists and neo-Nazis "fine people" yet Biden claimed that he did.   It was a foul and divisive way to start his campaign. 

 

As for Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, how often would he have to do so for it to 'count'?  Once is just a 'gimme'? Yet to be fair Biden was not alone in disputing the results of the 2016 election. The losing candidate (Clinton) also did so for years. As did Biden's current press secretary.  So the hyperventilating over Republicans disputing the results of the 2020 election needs to stop. 

We don't even know what Biden construed what the woman meant by illegitimate. Given that Biden hadn't questioned the legitimacy of the election before that most likely he understood it to mean that Trump was acting illegitimately. And if so, I agree with him.

Exactly what did Hillary Clinton say for years? Did she say that she really won the election but that there was voter fraud? Please. Nothing Hillary Clinton said is anywhere near what Trump has claimed..

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15 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Biden deliberately mischaracterized and misquoted the President. The facts are clear on that. Trump did NOT call the racists and neo-Nazis "fine people" yet Biden claimed that he did.   It was a foul and divisive way to start his campaign. 

 

As for Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, how often would he have to do so for it to 'count'?  Once is just a 'gimme'? Yet to be fair Biden was not alone in disputing the results of the 2016 election. The losing candidate (Clinton) also did so for years. As did Biden's current press secretary.  So the hyperventilating over Republicans disputing the results of the 2020 election needs to stop. 

It would have been better if Biden cited Trump's message to the White Supremacist Proud Boys "Stand back and stand by."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-stand-back-and-stand-by-trump-refuses-to-condemn-white-supremacists/

[Hanaguma]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

We don't even know what Biden construed what the woman meant by illegitimate. Given that Biden hadn't questioned the legitimacy of the election before that most likely he understood it to mean that Trump was acting illegitimately. And if so, I agree with him.

Exactly what did Hillary Clinton say for years? Did she say that she really won the election but that there was voter fraud? Please. Nothing Hillary Clinton said is anywhere near what Trump has claimed..

In the Washington Post, September 2019, Hillary asserted that Trump stole the election. She said;

 

“No, it doesn’t kill me (losing the election) because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

 

She repeated the claim in several interviews such as on CBS news later that week.

 

Bitter much? Three years after losing and still nursing a grudge. 

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Just now, Hanaguma said:

In the Washington Post, September 2019, Hillary asserted that Trump stole the election. She said;

 

“No, it doesn’t kill me (losing the election) because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

 

She repeated the claim in several interviews such as on CBS news later that week.

 

Bitter much? Three years after losing and still nursing a grudge. 

But not crying fraud. Not persuading tens of millions of voters that there was actual fraud. Her comments about voter suppression and voter purging simply reflect what actual investigations of ballots by even Republican ruled states have found; voter fraud is insignificant.

[Hanaguma]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It would have been better if Biden cited Trump's message to the White Supremacist Proud Boys "Stand back and stand by."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-stand-back-and-stand-by-trump-refuses-to-condemn-white-supremacists/

Yes, after being badgered for months about his supposed non-condemnation of supremacist groups, Trump was understandably getting impatient with the Democrats and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself).

 

Even Fact Check, hardly a Trump supporting group, acknowledged this;

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

 

To quote the Bad Orange Man, 

 

"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans"

and

“The shooter in El Paso (after a mass shooting) posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

 

 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, after being badgered for months about his supposed non-condemnation of supremacist groups, Trump was understandably getting impatient with the Democrats and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself).

 

Even Fact Check, hardly a Trump supporting group, acknowledged this;

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

 

To quote the Bad Orange Man, 

 

"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans"

and

“The shooter in El Paso (after a mass shooting) posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

 

 

His speeches radiate hate.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

But not crying fraud. Not persuading tens of millions of voters that there was actual fraud. Her comments about voter suppression and voter purging simply reflect what actual investigations of ballots by even Republican ruled states have found; voter fraud is insignificant.

Keep wiggling. 

 

Keep moving the goalposts. 

 

She was a sore loser and did not want to admit that she lost (sound familiar)? Trump lost and didn't want to admit it. Hillary lost and didn't want to admit it. Biden piled on and called Trump "illegitimate".  Do you forget the "Not My President" rallies?

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

His speeches radiate hate.

Yes, hatred of white supremacists and KKK types, as evidenced in my quotes. 

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3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Keep wiggling. 

 

Keep moving the goalposts. 

 

She was a sore loser and did not want to admit that she lost (sound familiar)? Trump lost and didn't want to admit it. Hillary lost and didn't want to admit it. Biden piled on and called Trump "illegitimate".  Do you forget the "Not My President" rallies?

Please. "Didn't want to admit it" Now you're reading peoples' feelings?

Let's stick to verifiable facts:. 

Did Hillary Clinton deny that she had lost?

Did Donald Trump deny that he had lost?

I think we both know the answer to those 2 questions.

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5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, hatred of white supremacists and KKK types, as evidenced in my quotes. 

Were those his only speeches? Wasn't he the guy who questioned the objectivity of the judge in the Trump University case because he was Mexican? Didn't he tell Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar,, and Rashida Tlaib, that they should go back to the countries they came from? (3 out of 4 of them were actually already there.)

[Hanaguma]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Were those his only speeches? Wasn't he the guy who questioned the objectivity of the judge in the Trump University case because he was Mexican? Didn't he tell Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar,, and Rashida Tlaib, that they should go back to the countries they came from? (3 out of 4 of them were actually already there.)

Irrelevant. Stop trying to muddy the waters. 

 

We were talking about Biden and his false accusation. Are you willing to concede that Joe was wrong to accuse Trump of calling neo nazis "fine people"? That Trump has in fact heartily condemned racists and their ilk on numerous occasions?

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Irrelevant. Stop trying to muddy the waters. 

 

We were talking about Biden and his false accusation. Are you willing to concede that Joe was wrong to accuse Trump of calling neo nazis "fine people"? That Trump has in fact heartily condemned racists and their ilk on numerous occasions?

You may be right on this particular point. However, Trump's overall attitude towards white nationalists has been quite ambiguous. Nice to see MAGA folks caring about truth, for once! ????

[Scott]

Continue with the nonsensical baiting and bickering and face a suspension.  

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Keep wiggling. 

 

Keep moving the goalposts. 

 

She was a sore loser and did not want to admit that she lost (sound familiar)? Trump lost and didn't want to admit it. Hillary lost and didn't want to admit it. Biden piled on and called Trump "illegitimate".  Do you forget the "Not My President" rallies?

The same lame false equivalence again:

- she did not claim imaginary massive voter fraud

- she did not send her lawyers to launch 60 lawsuits based on ridiculous fake claims

- she did not call an election official, asking him to find 11,000 voters

- she did not ask Biden to overturn elections by refusing to certify them,

- she did not send a stupid mob to assault the Capitol,

- etc...