Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

All Trump wants is a fair trial.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-indictment-trial-fair-1.6797290

He wants no trial at all.

 

He’ll get a fair trial. 

[vandeventer]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You know what gets me about you and all the other Trump apologists on this site is not one of you have actually condemned Trump for bedding a porn star whilst married to a woman who just gave birth to his son, paid off that porn star to keep her quiet during the presidential election (as well as numerous others including a Playboy Bunny) and tried to hide the payments through 'legal fees'. Is your identity politics so strong or your love of this man so deep that you can just ignore this type of behaviour? For gods sake this man has been conning and stiffing people all his life, to include his OWN charity. Do you just ignore this or is your own standards so low that you see this as perfectly acceptable behavour?

Can't you see that this and his other, very obvious character flaws make him unfit to even hold public office never mind the presidency? Honestly I'm really interested in just what is it about this guy that makes you suspend reality and ignore integrity, honesty and severe character flaws? Do you not think a POTUS should have integrity, honesty and standards?  Do you honestly believe he is emotionally qualified to become the next POTUS?     

 

What you say is done everyday in America and elsewhere and it is not a crime. Trump has said many times over that he did not do this. So lets let the courts prove otherwise in which case it is between Trump and he's family not the courts.

[vandeventer]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He wants no trial at all.

 

He’ll get a fair trial. 

You say so but in New York???

[Pink Mist]

4 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

What you say is done everyday in America and elsewhere and it is not a crime. Trump has said many times over that he did not do this. So lets let the courts prove otherwise in which case it is between Trump and he's family not the courts.

It is really a sad day when people condone bad and criminal acts as normal.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You say so but in New York???

Yes in New York.

Where the crimes charged in the indictments are alleged to have taken place.

[Pink Mist]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

You say so but in New York???

Why would a New York Jury be any different. You've already made your views known that he is being railroaded. It's not your decision to convict him or exonerate him. The facts are the facts. Without any substance the facts fall short. Up to the jury which will not be all democrats...

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Why would a New York Jury be any different. You've already made your views known that he is being railroaded. It's not your decision to convict him or exonerate him. The facts are the facts. Without any substance the facts fall short. Up to the jury which will not be all democrats...

It’s a cousin of the ‘Fake News’ mantra.

 

There is only one ‘Truth’ and that truth is decided by the ‘Trump’.

 

Everything else, no matter what the source, is not the truth.

[scorecard]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:42 AM, Salerno said:

Don't they have solitary confinement in the States?

 

On 4/5/2023 at 6:29 AM, jerrymahoney said:

Even a possible guilty verdict does not mean necessarily any jail time as ex-President Trump's Secret Service protection-for-life will have a lot to say about it.

Don't understand the connection between jail time and secret service protection for life. Please share.

[johnnybangkok]

13 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

What you say is done everyday in America and elsewhere and it is not a crime. Trump has said many times over that he did not do this. So lets let the courts prove otherwise in which case it is between Trump and he's family not the courts.

He has admitted to paying her off. This is common knowledge.   https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607943366/giuliani-says-trump-did-know-about-stormy-daniels-payment

 

But lets just say for arguments sake he is innocent on this one. What about all the things he HAS admitted to? When he defrauded his own charity for example? He admitted this or did you just conveniently forget that one? You are happy supporting a guy who defrauded army veterans, children in need, the United Negro College Fund,  and even the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum?

 

What does that say about Trump and what does it say about you?

 

. 

[Misty]

25 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

What you say is done everyday in America and elsewhere and it is not a crime. Trump has said many times over that he did not do this. So lets let the courts prove otherwise in which case it is between Trump and he's family not the courts.

yes who among us hasn't used campaign money to pay off porn stars and playboy bunnies and deducted it on our taxes?

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You say so but in New York???

Too bad. Trump can’t seek out juries using specific barometers that would be more preferable to him. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Y'all are Trump silly if you think there's a snowball's chance in hell for a conviction, let alone any jail time.  At his age, he could be dead before the appeal process is done ????

 

New York grand jury only requires 12 of 16 jurors to agree there is a case to be made.

 

Good luck finding 12 people to convict in criminal court.  IF it makes it to trial.

 

DISTRACTION

Why do you think that an actual criminal case is a distraction?. I mean would it make any difference if he had not been a former president and was just Donald Trump the business man being prosecuted for the crimes he was indicted on.  Remember he was not indicted because he was the former president or for the fact he is running for the presidency.  He is being prosecuted for crimes he is charged with.

[seajae]

On 4/5/2023 at 5:20 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

“Falsifying business records in the first degree” doesn’t sound very dramatic, it is however a felony and of concern to the Defendant, it is a felony that is very easily proven with documents and records.

 

Or in this case 34 counts of “Falsifying business records in the first degree”
 

 

you do realize hillary did this also with the russian report she organized and the way she paid for it with campaign funds in the same district(claimed as lawyer fees), it is already being reported so will be interesting to see of bragg will do the same with her, also the statute of limitations for this is 2 years so a bit past it. While this is only for some of the 34 counts the others are federal and not state and the federal side is saying there is nothing to see, very big clutch at straws and will open the gates for republicans doing the same thing to democrats now in retaliation. This was a very stupid move, should have left it for the other charges around the country but bragg wants to be re elected and was following his bosses  orders, will turn into a big mistake on the dems side

 

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1 minute ago, seajae said:

you do realize hillary did this also with the russian report she organized and the way she paid for it with campaign funds in the same district(claimed as lawyer fees), it is already being reported so will be interesting to see of bragg will do the same with her, also the statute of limitations for this is 2 years so a bit past it. While this is only for some of the 34 counts the others are federal and not state and the federal side is saying there is nothing to see, very big clutch at straws and will open the gates for republicans doing the same thing to democrats now in retaliation. This was a very stupid move, should have left it for the other charges around the country but bragg wants to be re elected and was following his bosses  orders, will turn into a big mistake on the dems side

 

The Clinton campaign has already been fined for this violation of the election law.  They did not engage in tax fraud.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, seajae said:

you do realize hillary did this also with the russian report she organized and the way she paid for it with campaign funds in the same district(claimed as lawyer fees), it is already being reported so will be interesting to see of bragg will do the same with her, also the statute of limitations for this is 2 years so a bit past it. While this is only for some of the 34 counts the others are federal and not state and the federal side is saying there is nothing to see, very big clutch at straws and will open the gates for republicans doing the same thing to democrats now in retaliation. This was a very stupid move, should have left it for the other charges around the country but bragg wants to be re elected and was following his bosses  orders, will turn into a big mistake on the dems side

 

Like you say, ‘very big clutch at straws’.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Clinton campaign has already been fined for this violation of the election law.  They did not engage in tax fraud.

Moreover, they did not falsify business records in the furtherance of a crime.

 

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, a crime which apparently is usually prosecuted as a misdemeanor.

Wrong , which you could have read in my link earlier: Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree (Class E Felony) Falsifying Business Records | White Collar Crime Lawyers (theblanchlawfirm.com)

Keep up the good work with spreading nonsense.

[jerrymahoney]

Really the next big event here -- well before any, if any, jury trial --  is 08AUG23 when the Trump defense gets to submit motions including almost certainly a motion to have the whole case thrown out.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

You know what gets me about you and all the other Trump apologists on this site is not one of you have actually condemned Trump for bedding a porn star whilst married to a woman who just gave birth to his son, paid off that porn star to keep her quiet during the presidential election (as well as numerous others including a Playboy Bunny) and tried to hide the payments through 'legal fees'. Is your identity politics so strong or your love of this man so deep that you can just ignore this type of behaviour? For gods sake this man has been conning and stiffing people all his life, to include his OWN charity. Do you just ignore this or is your own standards so low that you see this as perfectly acceptable behavour?

Can't you see that this and his other, very obvious character flaws make him unfit to even hold public office never mind the presidency? Honestly I'm really interested in just what is it about this guy that makes you suspend reality and ignore integrity, honesty and severe character flaws? Do you not think a POTUS should have integrity, honesty and standards?  Do you honestly believe he is emotionally qualified to become the next POTUS?     

 

People like the fact that he is a racist.

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why do you think that an actual criminal case is a distraction?. I mean would it make any difference if he had not been a former president and was just Donald Trump the business man being prosecuted for the crimes he was indicted on.  Remember he was not indicted because he was the former president or for the fact he is running for the presidency.  He is being prosecuted for crimes he is charged with.

DOJ didn't bother for 2 yrs ...

... nuff said

 

As stated, (I'm not following), but if correct, misdemeanors at best, and DA is charging as felony.  Unless there's a huge paper trail, with his name/signature on it, along with guessing a few of his star witnesses are convicted felons & admitted liars.

 

Yea ... good luck.

 

Only takes 1 person for a hung jury, besides long appeal's process.

Nothing but political, and nothing but a DISTRACTION, which is basically everything now of days.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

Don't understand the connection between jail time and secret service protection for life. Please share.

Any ex-President is guaranteed Secret Service protection fore life.

[jerrymahoney]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

DOJ didn't bother for 2 yrs ...

... nuff said

 

As stated, (I'm not following), but if correct, misdemeanors at best, and DA is charging as felony.  Unless there's a huge paper trail, with his name/signature on it, along with guessing a few of his star witnesses are convicted felons & admitted liars.

 

Yea ... good luck.

 

Only takes 1 person for a hung jury, besides long appeal's process.

Nothing but political, and nothing but a DISTRACTION, which is basically everything now of days.

Stay tuned. 08 AUG2023. Trump team gets to submit motions in response to the charges.

Edited April 9, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[FritsSikkink]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

DOJ didn't bother for 2 yrs ...

... nuff said

 

They have been working on this case the whole time as they wanted to make sure they had solid evidence to prove his crimes. More indictments for his other crimes to follow.

Edited April 9, 2023 by FritsSikkink

[Pink Mist]

A post baiting other forum members and a reply have been removed.

[Misty]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

DOJ didn't bother for 2 yrs ...

... nuff said

Didn't bother?  More like DOJ under Bill Barr directly interfered in the case, preventing it from going anywhere.  Barr acted as if he was Trump's personal lawyer.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/09/09/former-us-attorney-dishes-how-he-held-line-against-trump-white-house/

 

"Barr’s tenure as attorney general, beginning in February 2019, made things even worse. In September of that year, Berman refused to sign the DOJ’s legal briefs in Trump’s subpoena battle with Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance. Vance was investigating the role of Trump and the Trump Organization in payments made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal shortly before the 2016 election. The DOJ was planning to file a statement of interest containing the audacious argument that a sitting president could not be criminally investigated, a view the Supreme Court would later reject. Insisting that his office was not “Trump’s personal lawyer,” Berman refused to sign the statement of interest, but the DOJ persisted."

[GroveHillWanderer]

34 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Any ex-President is guaranteed Secret Service protection fore life.

True, but why would that have any influence on the outcome of a jury trial deciding on his guilt or innocence and/or the length of his sentence (as was implied in the post starting this particular part of the discussion)?

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

True, but why would that have any influence on the outcome of a jury trial deciding on his guilt or innocence and/or the length of his sentence (as was implied in the post starting this particular part of the discussion)?

Because if there ever was a conviction with prison time, the Secret Service would be in charge. I never suggested the Secret Service would have any impact on the outcome.

Edited April 9, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:24 AM, spidermike007 said:

This man re-defines the word guilt. He has been guilty since he was a young man

Proven guilty of what and in which cases?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Any ex-President is guaranteed Secret Service protection fore life.

They can sit outside of his cell.