No more beer in glass bottles on Koh Tao

[smedly]

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Glass is perhaps the most environmentally and trash-free of all the potential receptacles. 

100% correct, what genius came up with this nonsense 

 

 

they should all be sacked for gross stupidity

[smedly]

any bar i frequent recycle all bottles back to suplier to be reclaimed back into the supply chain, also bins are provided for glass throughout the country, even in my condo glass bottles are recycled

 

 

they must be trying to address some other problem, maybe they should address that instead of this stupidity

[smedly]

20 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

The collectors that make a living from collecting the recycle items make more money than with glass bottles. (So they told me.)

because generally most glass goes a different route as i described above

[BenStark]

Reinvent what they did a few decades ago.

 

Add a return fee to glass bottles.

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

On Koh Tao. I doubt it.

What good would that do? They still have to ship everything to the mainland.

It is probably the shipping that is the bigger problem.

They manage to ship it in... they can ship it out

[BritScot]

I remember 20 years ago this was a problem on the island and they still haven't sorted it out. Just can't rush these things I suppose. 

[khunPer]

21 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Try selling that line to a mother whose kid has just stepped on glass from a broken bottle on the beach.

That's not the recycling problem, that's when somebody leaves garbage in the wrong places.

 

There are actually a number of recycling machines available that instantly can convert a glass bottle to sand...

 

[khunPer]

5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Est, taste like piss. Buy one - enjoy twice ????.

It's a question of taste...

[giddyup]

21 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

It didn't go quite according to plan when Coke switched from glass bottles to plastic on Samoa.

What happened?

[PETERTHEEATER]

19 hours ago, impulse said:

Foster's solved that problem nicely. With their 10w40 cans.

I would never drink Australian engine oil.

[xtrnuno41]

Very logical. It is an Island, so all bottles come from main land, weighing a lot. It is just dead weight.

So cost a lot of fuel. Also you have to transport back, a lot of dead weight. Taking up volume then which you could use otherwise or safe on fuel.

The cans can be squashed together, so less space and way lighter and they can and will be reused.

For collecting back, put return money on it, should have been done earlier with the bottles.

 

If tourist are too lazy to return, you can motivate Thai (kids?) to hunt for it, so they get some return money and keep the island clean of it. Return money in an island return money account from which is paid back to anyone delivering the cans, bottles.

 

  

[Tropicalevo]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

They manage to ship it in... they can ship it out

Oh dear.

Think about it please.

You are comparing eggs to elephants.

The supplier (rich businesses?) ship it in.

The local government ship it out.

If the residents of Koh Tao are anything like the residents on Koh Samui, then most of them do not pay the garbage collection taxes. That is why so many locals burn their garbage.

The money has to come from somewhere.

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Tropicalevo

[Burma Bill]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:57 PM, snoop1130 said:

beer in glass containers will be banned from Koh Tao

With the island's reputation, maybe to prevent this:

 

[scubascuba3]

I did a scuba cleanup dive on koh Tao 25 years ago, just off the beach, gave up, too much rubbish under water 

[bkk6060]

Sounds like a great idea.

[jak2002003]

So now they will be drinkkng beers from plastic cups and the beach and sea will be littered with them. Nice. 

[Jelli]

On 8/30/2023 at 6:08 PM, 2long said:

So how do people now drink a 'large' beer?

Local Somchais all around the country like large bottles of Leo or Chang.

I can see where this idea is coming from, but surely there are other ways of improving the situation.

???? real sorry you can get your big glass bottle of warm Chang and need to drink tallboys suffering economic hardship and breaking the monthly budget in the process.

 

It's an island !sff

 

 

[Rotweiler]

10 hours ago, Ratman said:

good move and charge 5 Baht per can  and pay the 5 Baht per can when  taken to recycle center like in the USA 

The US has one of the worst recycling rates in the world. (or as the case in many states...) NO recycling at all except for the homeless collecting discarded items.

 

[impulse]

3 hours ago, xtrnuno41 said:

For collecting back, put return money on it, should have been done earlier with the bottles.

 

If tourist are too lazy to return, you can motivate Thai (kids?) to hunt for it, so they get some return money and keep the island clean of it. Return money in an island return money account from which is paid back to anyone delivering the cans, bottles.

If you started paying kids for returning bottles, they'd soon be hauling boatloads of empty bottles from the mainland.  Kids would line up at the dock, waiting to buy a wheelbarrow full of empty bottles to turn in at even a slight profit.

 

Still wouldn't solve the biggest problem with glass bottles on the beach, which is broken glass cutting people who tend to walk barefoot when they're on holiday at the beach.

[The Old Bull]

If you require a big enough deposit on the bottles they will soon be picked up say 20B. I remember in Switzerland a long time ago the deposit on a milk bottle was more than the milk in the bottle.

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Oh dear.

Think about it please.

You are comparing eggs to elephants.

The supplier (rich businesses?) ship it in.

The local government ship it out.

If the residents of Koh Tao are anything like the residents on Koh Samui, then most of them do not pay the garbage collection taxes. That is why so many locals burn their garbage.

The money has to come from somewhere.

 

Yes, like I said... but you missed my point, because yo weren't thinking.

The rich businesses pay for the collection services.

They ship it in, they ship it out.

 

[frank83628]

15 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Oh dear.

Think about it please.

You are comparing eggs to elephants.

The supplier (rich businesses?) ship it in.

The local government ship it out.

If the residents of Koh Tao are anything like the residents on Koh Samui, then most of them do not pay the garbage collection taxes. That is why so many locals burn their garbage.

The money has to come from somewhere.

 

there isn't a 'Singha' or 'Chang' boat that ships it over.... all the supplies for the Island are brought in by privately owned companies, you buy stock for you bar, restaurant etc, you pay shipping.... 

[ravip]

Why cannot the breweries reuse the empty bottles? 

 

The cost of the empty bottles can be reduced from the selling price  - to encourage the return of empties. 

 

The delivery trucks themselves can  take the empties back to the breweries. 

 

Similar to the domestic cooking gas cylinders.

[Tropicalevo]

 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

there isn't a 'Singha' or 'Chang' boat that ships it over.... all the supplies for the Island are brought in by privately owned companies, you buy stock for you bar, restaurant etc, you pay shipping.... 

And how many suppliers/bars/shops on Koh Tao do you know that will pay to ship their empties back to the mainland?

Who collects it at the other end?

[Tropicalevo]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Yes, like I said... but you missed my point, because yo weren't thinking.

The rich businesses pay for the collection services.

They ship it in, they ship it out.

 

Please share with us their response to you when you tell them that little gem.

[hotchilli]

28 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

Please share with us their response to you when you tell them that little gem.

My response as governor would be, if you don't ship it out, you don't ship it in..
I guarantee within days it would be solved.

[Tropicalevo]

19 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

My response as governor would be, if you don't ship it out, you don't ship it in..
I guarantee within days it would be solved.

It is solved.

No more bottles.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Tropicalevo

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

It is solved.

No more bottles.

its not....fridges were full of bottles last night, none of my bar owner friends have said anything about it either..... maybe it's fake news.... 

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

And how many suppliers/bars/shops on Koh Tao do you know that will pay to ship their empties back to the mainland?

Who collects it at the other end?

that wasn't what i responded to, it was the first part of your comment and your seemingly pompous attitude..... but maybe i misread it.

the issue would be solved if the breweries bought the bottles back, but there would have to be some specific deal done with it as the boats have to pay their fuel costs.

[richard_smith237]

14 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

If you require a big enough deposit on the bottles they will soon be picked up say 20B. I remember in Switzerland a long time ago the deposit on a milk bottle was more than the milk in the bottle.

In the UK, we used to get all our milk and drinks delivered in Glass bottles which were 'washed and reused' (recycling)....   

 

Somehow we have devolved and are now putting all our plastics in a dedicated bin for recycling and no longer have anything glass delivered....  We've gone backwards. 

 

So yes...   IF the deposit on the bottles was large enough they would be recycled conventionally. But then another company would come in and undercut eventually devaluing the recyclable material to its raw material worth after which point its a matter of nothing other than economics... 

 

Its easier cheaper to transport crushed cans from an island than bottles...   I think the issue comes down to this simplicity.

 

Of course, other issues need to be addressed, i.e. not littering in the first place, but that is an issue of education which is difficult in a country where such issues are not really part of general education in the first place.