Thai Immigration updates online system for 90-day reporting

[Matthew2027]

Set up a new account yesterday morning and less than 24 hours had receipt of 90 Day reporting.... COMPLETE & CONFIRMED !!! Fantastic.. One Happy Punter 

[wealthychef]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

The best improvement will be to cancel this communist era

I'm not sure that word means what you think it does.  

[AAArdvark]

I don't understand. It seems to be exactly the same thing I have been using for a long time. 

Please enlighten me. 

[khunjeff]

"...why doesn’t Immigration just scrap the requirement?

 

"...There are several reasons why this requirement may still be in place:

 

"Firstly, it helps the government keep track of the number of foreign nationals in the country and their whereabouts. This is especially important in managing overstays and ensuring that visitors comply with the terms of their visas.

 

"Secondly, it’s part of the national security policy and by keeping updated records of foreign residents, authorities say they can more effectively monitor and prevent illegal activities."

 

Of course, it doesn't actually accomplish any of those purposes, but sure, whatever 🙄

[johnny49r]

Every expat in my local area goes to the immigration office for 90 day reporting. Nobody seems to trust the online system but I can't imagine why...

[Thaiger1]

9 hours ago, TaoNow said:

I tried to log in.

 

Couldn't pass the CAPTCHA test, despite many tries.

1st time. It does look as if you haven't registered as captchs case sensitive but I then checked my email and it was accepted.

 

Edited January 23 by Thaiger1

[lavender19]

A better idea would be to stop it altogether 

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, ezzra said:

The best improvement will be to cancel this communist era, paranoiac system all together and save

everyone, the Immigration and all of us an unnecessary time and men power wasting exercise,

A country that gets aprox. 30 millions tourist a year and hundreds of thousands of expats should

have the best and most efficient system in the world but Thailand is still way, way far from it...

It you've resided here for 5 years + they should void you from having to repeat this draconian measure.

I've informed them now 64 times I live at the same address.

[tandor]

5 hours ago, Thailand said:

The super "new" system has just rejected my wife's 90 day because the system says she is on a tourist visa! 

She has been on a retirement extension of stay for 21 years!

So the unwanted trip to immigration is necessary yet again!

IMO the TM.30 is far more important..no need for a 90 Day Report, nor a Residency Certificate.

Edited January 23 by tandor
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[DualSportBiker]

From the original article:

 

"Firstly, it helps the government keep track of the number of foreign nationals in the country and their whereabouts. This is especially important in managing overstays and ensuring that visitors comply with the terms of their visas.

 

Secondly, it’s part of the national security policy and by keeping updated records of foreign residents, authorities say they can more effectively monitor and prevent illegal activities.

 

Additionally, changing immigration policies can be a complex process, involving various stakeholders and considerations. The 90-day reporting has been in place for a long time, and any change would require careful planning and coordination.

The 90-day report is also part of the Immigration’s administrative and legal framework. Any change would require a significant overhaul of these systems, which can be resource-intensive and time-consuming."

 

Responding to each point above...

 

1. How does 90-day reporting replace the record-keeping at ports of entry? What qualitative improvement does it bring? This suggests a lack of coordination and perhaps more than one system used to track visitors (which, based on over 30 years of database and system design experience would be a design error of epic proportions). Whether one applies for a replacement visa while here or arrives on the visa that will support the entire stay, there should (must) be a centralised singular record of each visitor and visa-holder. There is no tactical advantage to confirming continued presence via an additional step. Either the visa-holder has left and that departure is captured, or the visa-holder has renewed their right to stay which is captured, or they are out of compliance with their permission to stay. The date when compliance changes to non-compliance should be updated when a renewal is completed.

 

2. What data is presented in a 90-day report that supports monitoring or crime prevention? Change of address is done separately. Compliance with financial obligations can be achieved in other ways. The tax department has access to inbound deposits into domestic accounts to ensure compliance with the new income tax laws, getting a simple y/n confirmation of an account's compliance with a minimum balance is not rocket science.

 

3. Being in place for a long time is not a reason to keep doing it. Resistance to change brings failure faster than embracing it. Thousands of old laws have been identified for review and possible removal to streamline administration. This is just one of many that need to be replaced by processes supported by a strong technical infrastructure. Complexity is an argument for rationalisation, not giving up. Those resource-intensive and time-consuming activities are learning opportunities on how to improve (should be a national goal to get better at stuff right?) and employment opportunities for the 65% of IT graduates who don't pursue technology roles due to the historically idiotic approach to IT that government and businesses have applied for years.

 

Hiding behind a lack of will and weak excuses and old, poorly designed systems is not how a government achieves its own goals of a tech-savvy nation.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, Presnock said:

what about taxes too, as the LTR is set up for "rich pensioners " 

Exempt from Thai taxation.

[Ben Zioner]

1 hour ago, wealthychef said:

I'm not sure that word means what you think it does.  

Communism is Progressive Income Tax, no?

[HappyExpat57]

There was a recent post regarding the AN upgrade and all the "features" it provided, so I had FULL skepticism in trying out the "new and improved" immigration website. Much to my surprise, I logged in flawlessly.

 

There may be hope yet.

[Srikcir]

10 hours ago, TaoNow said:

I tried to log in.

 

Couldn't pass the CAPTCHA test, despite many tries.

Check to see that you have correctly filled in all information. My experience if you missed a fillable data cell or used unacceptable symbols in a data cell catcha won't work.

[Srikcir]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

The Immigration Bureau (IB) has introduced an online reporting system for foreigners staying in Thailand for more than 90 days

What is the link? Different than the 90-day notification link?

[Cabradelmar]

It's great when it works (is available)... the tm47 is the least of the problem... it's the tm30 that's a pain

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'm reminded just how effective the 90-day reporting system is at maintaining enforcement and compliance with Immigration rules.....

 

...every time I read a news report here about this or that farang having lived here unbothered for 4, 6, 10 etc. years past their last permission to stay date, usually until someone grasses on them for some reason.

 

[BestB]

past 2 reports, including one just 2 days ago was rejected for an unknown reason, mind you its something like 6-7 years on doing it online every 90 days.

 

went in, in person asking why rejected only to not to get any explanation 

[proton]

No time to wade through all this, does this mean existing users of the 90 day reporting site which has been working well have to re register?

[ujayujay]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Online Reporting for Foreigners Staying Over 90 Days in Thailand

 

 

BANGKOK (TNA) – The Immigration Bureau (IB) has introduced an online reporting system for foreigners staying in Thailand for more than 90 days, marking the first-ever implementation of this service.

 

The initiative, initially targeting investors under the promotion of the Board of Investment (BOI), is expected to stimulate the economy and boost tourism in Thailand.

 

Pol Lt Gen Itthipol Itthisarnronnachai, Commissioner of the Immigration Bureau, along with relevant authorities, announced the commencement of the “90 days online notification” service. This allows foreigners to report their residence status when staying in the kingdom for more than 90 days through an online platform.

 

The system aims to provide convenience to international tourists, enabling them to submit advance notifications 15 days prior to the expiration of their 90-day stay. Notifications can be made at any time through the online portal at www.immigration.go.th. Once registered, users will receive a password via email, allowing them to log in and submit their 90-day notification. Approval results will be sent via email or accessed through the website www.immigration.go.th.

 

Full story: TNA-MCOT 2024-01-23

 

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Just the linked registration doesn't work, doesn't show captcha......is this a joke or who is being taken for a fool here?

[mfd101]

Have never used it but can't help noticing that they announce a major fix or upgrade at least 3 or 4 times a year ...

 

I quite enjoy my regular visits to Surin Immi. Anthropologically fascinating (on both sides of the counter), and it's only 5 minutes further on along the Surin city ring road to Robinson and a nice lunch then shopping at Tops. Makes a lovely change of routine for us both.

[scottiejohn]

27 minutes ago, proton said:

No time to wade through all this, does this mean existing users of the 90 day reporting site which has been working well have to re register?

Good question!

[Skeptic7]

Oh Boy...here we go❗Should just leave well enough alone as it was simple already and worked perfectly. "Upgrading" and "streamline" usually have the exact opposite effect here in Tie-LAN.

I'm laying 3-1 odds that it's now a fustercluck. 🤣

[expat_4_life]

35 minutes ago, proton said:

No time to wade through all this, does this mean existing users of the 90 day reporting site which has been working well have to re register?

No, it does not - just logged in with same ID as usual.

Didn't notice any changes in the site anywhere, history still intact, the passport number and nationality is still enough to populate the TM47 as before.

[issan101]

Agree that the 90 should be scrapped all together. But I think the issue is what do you do with all the manpower that manages this system. 

[rwill]

OMG.  I hope it still works...

[scottiejohn]

Just now, rwill said:

OMG.  I hope it still works...

What do you mean by "still works"?

For many, including me, it is a hit and miss system!

Even though none of my circumstances have changed, i.e. same passport, same address, never left the country or stayed at a hotel and use the repopulate button after entering my Passport number and nationality is it roughly a 50/50 chance of acceptance.  

The online system is cr@p!

[Espanol]

8 minutes ago, rwill said:

OMG.  I hope it still works...

 

 

Rule number 1 of computer programming: "if it works, don't touch it."

 

 

[khunpin]

8 hours ago, Thailand said:

I think I will have given immigration my address in various forms about 70 times over the years, you would think they would know it by now.

 

90 days causing overcrowding at immigration offices?

Just do away with this antiquated requirement- job done!

As far as I know it's NOT about knowing your past address where you might have lived for years. It's more about knowing the recent address where they could find you in case they would like to find you! Or are you handicapped and can't move to another address (theoretically)? 🤔

[Gknrd]

Another reason I left , I like to travel, and was in Kolok doing some birding. They would not let me do the 90 day report there, I had to fly back to Chiang Mai?? To do a 90 day report. Screw their 90 day report. And , all their ongoing rules and reg's.  I have been in countries that make Thailand look like a 1'st world utopia, and did not have half the problems with immigration. IMO just another Autocratic run country that will fall to the wayside eventually.

Edited January 23 by Gknrd