Two New Zealand Men Arrested in Phuket for Alleged Brutal Assault on Traffic Cop

[Gottfrid]

They have made their bed, and now get to sleep in it for a very long time. Think this takes NZ to the top of the madness list by far. Not even the back kicking Swiss guy stands a chance.

[paul1804]

5 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

According to initial reports on NZ news the two claim the Police officer attempted to attack them and they acted in Self Defence.

There is often 2 sides to a story! Anything can happen in Thailand!

[ryandb]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

I repeat - That only ends one way, and in many countries in you being shot dead. But you obviously would take that chance. Good luck. Or are you just making big talk?

 

It may end one way, but they you give a different outcome.... Again it comes down to what took place before, would you have blamed a Jew from fighting back with a Police officer in the 40s? How about a woman being sexually assaulted by a cop?

 

Cops aren't Gods, just because they wear a costume does not mean they are untouchable. 

[ChipButty]

1 minute ago, Dolf said:

Assaulting a cop, taking his gun. How dumb can you be?

The cop needs to be charged with losing his weapon 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, sambum said:

 

I was replying to your comment because it does seem odd that someone (Not CCTV) was taking a video of the situation, and from what has been said already, it would "appear that" that person is another cop, and I was implying that if it was,why didn't he jump in to help? 

I already said that the vdo looks like some amateur civilian hiding from possibly getting shot using their phone camera. I'll withdraw that if it is claimed by the cops that they took it. IMO if it was a cop the assailant was lucky to not be shot.

[Dolf]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

They have made their bed, and now get to sleep in it for a very long time. Think this takes NZ to the top of the madness list by far. Not even the back kicking Swiss guy stands a chance.

Yes the Kiwis, Russians and Brits top 3. The Swiss are down below the Americans.

[ross163103]

I'm not a law expert but pretty sure the self defense excuse doesn't come into play if you're dealing with police. They should've just stopped and cooperated, probably would have a different outcome. 

[webfact]

UPDATE:

 

New Zealanders in hot water after assaulting Thai police officer in Phuket

by Petch Petpailin

 

Photo via Phuket Hotnews

 

Two New Zealanders, who physically assaulted a Thai police officer on Chao Fah East Road in Phuket on Saturday were charged with five offences and face a lifetime ban from entering Thailand.

 

The incident occurred when a traffic officer from the Chalong Police Station, Somsak Noo-iad, asked two foreign men, later identified as 36 year old Hamish Day and 38 year old Oscar Day, to stop at a checkpoint after the two Kiwis were riding motorcycles at high speed.

 

The foreigners fled the checkpoint, prompting Somsak to chase after them. He managed to stop them outside a noodle shop on Chao Fah East Road. The foreign men attempted to bribe Somsak but the officer refused and recorded their actions with his mobile phone.

Unexpectedly, Oscar grabbed Somsak’s phone and physically attacked the officer until he fell to the ground. A scuffle ensued between Oscar and Somsak over the officer’s gun, which resulted in a shot being fired. Fortunately, the gunshot did not hit anyone in the area.

Oscar managed to get the gun and handed it to Harmish. A video recorded by a witness showed Oscar restraining Somsak while Hamish held the gun. The witness kept asking the two New Zealanders to stop their actions but to no avail.

 

Bail denied, charges issued

 

Other police officers later arrived at the scene and suppressed the situation. Somsak was rushed to the hospital with injuries to his finger and leg. He suffered only minor injuries and has recovered.

 

A Facebook page reported that Somsak forgave the two New Zealanders after getting an apology and a gift basket from them. This sparked a controversy on Thai social media. Netizens demanded legal action against them and urged police to stop spoiling foreign tourists.

 

The superintendent of the Chalong Police Station, Ekkarat Plaiduang, dismissed the information reported by the Facebook page. Ekkarat insisted that the two New Zealanders were in police custody and their bail requests were denied.

 

Ekkarat insisted that Somsak did not accept any gift basket and police pressed five charges against them including:

 

Section 138 of the Criminal Law: attacking or obstructing an officer who is on duty. The penalty is imprisonment of up to one year, a fine of up to 20,000 baht, or both.

Section 167 of the Criminal Law: giving or promising to give any assets or benefits to government officials. The penalty is imprisonment of up to seven years and a fine of up to 140,000 baht.

Section 295 of the Criminal Law: physically assaulting another person. The penalty is imprisonment of up to two years, a fine of up to 40,000 baht, or both.

Section 335 of the Criminal Law: committing theft in a dwelling place. The penalty is imprisonment from one to five years and a fine from 20,000 to 100,000 baht.

Section 64 of the Car Act: driving without a licence. The penalty is imprisonment of up to one month, a fine of up to 1,000 baht, or both.

A Thai news agency reported that the Phuket Governor would summon Somsak to provide detailed information to the Office of Immigration for consideration of revoking the visas of the two New Zealanders.

 

Additionally, the Deputy Commissioner of the Royal Thai Police, Surachate “Big Joke” Hakparn, expressed his intention to include the foreigners on the entry blacklist.

 

 

 

 

Source: The Thaiger 2024-03-18

 

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[ryandb]

4 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

I was replying to your comment because it does seem odd that someone (Not CCTV) was taking a video of the situation, and from what has been said already, it would "appear that" that person is another cop, and I was implying that if it was,why didn't he jump in to help? 

I was thinking its a civilian tbh, but I don't know, if the video started from exactly the point we see which is might not it seems they are coming out to see what was going on (probably hearing shouting and the scuffle) which is why the other guy tries to explain.

[Jimbo 12345]

Should have stopped simple,  to many QUINCY'S on this site,  think you all know it all,  you know FA,  all guessing,  he did this he did that,  I know this for sure,  thai lady took the video,  if you understand thai,  she's shouting to let the cop go.  15 years each,  

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, ryandb said:

 

It may end one way, but they you give a different outcome.... Again it comes down to what took place before, would you have blamed a Jew from fighting back with a Police officer in the 40s? How about a woman being sexually assaulted by a cop?

 

Cops aren't Gods, just because they wear a costume does not mean they are untouchable. 

They may not be gods, but In Thailand they can shoot a miscreant

[rct99q]

Really thought this was a joke at first glance. Silly thing to do.

 

However from my neck of the woods it would be the first time ever police have ever pulled someone over for riding to far from the curb and speeding.

 

Lots of follow up posts on here claiming police officer did not play by the rule book, which is the norm up in my neck of the woods. 

 

I have noticed an uptick in check stops the last two weeks. Most of last year, Jan, Feb hardly saw a one on my daily commute to my daughter's school. This month, everyday. 

 

Made a note to myself to get back into Thai response mode, accept, be polite and move on.

 

On a side note have not met too many NZ'ers here however the few I have met were quite pleasant. But judging from some of the posters in this thread it appears they do not have a very good reputation. Go figure.

 

[Dolf]

4 hours ago, quake said:

 

I think what ever evidence is presented, they are totally F,,,,,,,,,,,

This picture below will seal there fate.

That is a Thai police officer.

 

Headlock and other guy holding gun. That looks like jail for years.

[Cabradelmar]

8 minutes ago, ryandb said:

we only know the 2 NZers restrained the cop and took his gun and discharged it.

And the fact the NZs evaded an order by police to stop. It all starts with one bad decision. And that was what triggered everything. Even if the NZ bozos through the call to stop was unjustified, and even if the cop drew his weapon (on 2 fleeing and evading perpetrators), the NZs are on thin ice.

[Old Croc]

8 minutes ago, superal said:

If a loaded cocked gun was held to your head , what would you do ?  I agree not to argue with the Thai cops , pay the money and go but all the circumstances are not known in this case , only the wrestling at the end with the Thai cop losing the loaded gun . The entire event needs to be shown on their cop video but if not available then its their words against the cops and there is only one outcome .

I've had a gun held to my temple. I Immediately (deleted) myself, grabbed the barrel, pushed it away and started apologizing profusely as I backed away. The prick thought he had had a major win, but I later got to see him carried away by his extremities by 4 policeman.

[superal]

19 minutes ago, Cabradelmar said:

 

Yeah, so scared they didn't run off, just decided to hang out with the cop after the wrestling match to chat about it. 😂

I believe there were other cops turning up , so no escape , if that was ever on their minds .

[zzzzz]

1 hour ago, Ironmike said:

As a person that goes through that check point every other day I can say honestly that I'm sick of being targeted by the police because I'm a Farang with money,,,the thaisdrive past the same police with no helmets 6 on a bike and the coppers never stop them,, to be honest after looking at the video it looks to me that they had restrained the officer and removed his gun to clear it,, you can hear the guy say he's Trying to rob us,, which is exactly what these police do everyday here. But in any rate they had no right to do this here or anywhere else,, if a Swiss guy is getting what he's getting for kicking a Dr then God help these two morons. 

since i got my Motorcycle thai license ( having only held a car license for 25 years here)
back in Feb 2023 i have not been stopped ONCE at any check point

I think it has to do with I ride a honda wave which are not rented to tourists anymore  🙂

regarding this incident:
You DONT assault a thai policeman Or any police men anywhere

i've lived here a LONG time and have ever heard of a tourist or local getting shot at a check point UNLESS they were really bad people>

so how could they be in "fear for their lives" which is what their lawyer will claim>>

Edited March 18 by zzzzz

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, webfact said:

A Thai news agency reported that the Phuket Governor would summon Somsak to provide detailed information to the Office of Immigration for consideration of revoking the visas of the two New Zealanders.

Just getting their visas ( were they on a visa or visa exempt ) revoked would be no punishment. They be down the pub bragging to their mates how they beat up a Thai cop if allowed to just go home.

[rexpotter]

5 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

maybe the whole story will be revealed in time.

Something stinks

[thairookie]

Did the two kiwis overreact to a private summons ?

[norfolkandchance]

42 minutes ago, chessman said:

According to news in New Zealand, the two are brothers and their parents are millionaires.

 

 

Let's hope the RTP don't find out.

[sambum]

20 minutes ago, ryandb said:

 

Well, you were replying to my comment so I stuck to the parameters of what I said.

 

But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture and does not add anything to the story right now, once they make a statement or their statement is released then that will enlighten us.

 

"But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture" - WRONG!:- 

 

 "the two foreigners were infuriated and allegedly attacked the police while having the incident recorded by the police."

 

To repeat myself, if the person taking the video was another cop (See above!) why didn't he/she jump in and help? I guess it was to make sure that they had enough incriminating evidence on the pair of Kiwis.

But I also would like to see any video evidence of the original roadstop.

[rexpotter]

The guy standing up seems to quite terrified of the whole thing and trying to stop something from getting worse.

[superal]

5 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I've had a gun held to my temple. I Immediately (deleted) myself, grabbed the barrel, pushed it away and started apologizing profusely as I backed away. The prick thought he had had a major win, but I later got to see him carried away by his extremities by 4 policeman.

No proof that the 2 NZ guys were guilty from the shown videos but knowing the way things work in Thailand , I would have paid the fine and been on my way . Even if  Innocent . Life is cheap here in Thailand .

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, rct99q said:

On a side note have not met too many NZ'ers here however the few I have met were quite pleasant. But judging from some of the posters in this thread it appears they do not have a very good reputation. Go figure.

You are more likely to only meet the pleasant ones in Thailand. The unpleasant ones have no problem getting it for free in NZ, so why would they go to Thailand? They'd likely have zero interest in temples.

[ryandb]

3 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

"But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture" - WRONG!:- 

 

 "the two foreigners were infuriated and allegedly attacked the police while having the incident recorded by the police."

 

To repeat myself, if the person taking the video was another cop (See above!) why didn't he/she jump in and help? I guess it was to make sure that they had enough incriminating evidence on the pair of Kiwis.

But I also would like to see any video evidence of the original roadstop.

 

Yes guessing the state of mind is by definition conjecture as we do not know it!!

 

Ah I missed the recorded by the police, but it still doesn't change what the video shows which is the only evidence at this time but very weird if that was a cop why exactly they didn't draw their weapon (assuming they were carrying) especially when once the guy took possession of it.

Edited March 18 by ryandb

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, rexpotter said:

Yes...totally....most UFC Fighters, Muay Thai etc, are extremely angry violent people who simply love to fight. Listen to interviews with many that are successful. Like Fedor, his mother said that when he was a kid he loved to fight. Maybe time to review this Muay Thai thing and all the dumb 'Visas' that go along with it.

Thanks Rex 

Is it this Tiger muay Thai school who trained these guys?

 

I hope these guys can get some anger management help.

 

[rexpotter]

9 minutes ago, rct99q said:

Really thought this was a joke at first glance. Silly thing to do.

 

However from my neck of the woods it would be the first time ever police have ever pulled someone over for riding to far from the curb and speeding.

 

Lots of follow up posts on here claiming police officer did not play by the rule book, which is the norm up in my neck of the woods. 

 

I have noticed an uptick in check stops the last two weeks. Most of last year, Jan, Feb hardly saw a one on my daily commute to my daughter's school. This month, everyday. 

 

Made a note to myself to get back into Thai response mode, accept, be polite and move on.

 

On a side note have not met too many NZ'ers here however the few I have met were quite pleasant. But judging from some of the posters in this thread it appears they do not have a very good reputation. Go figure.

 

I like Kiwi's (much better than Aussies generally) have worked with them all over the world.

[sambum]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

???????????????

 

The vdo looks like a phone camera vdo being taken by a civilian that was hiding from possibly being attacked, or shot.

 

Looks to me the cop was on his own, and the other cops turned up after it was over.

 

How does discharging a weapon render it harmless? One removes the magazine and the chambered round to make a gun harmless, not firing a bullet which might ricochet and injure a bystander.

 

Whether he threatened them or not is irrelevant. If one is a visitor in a country which isn't populated by the woke and with an ineffectual police force like back home ( where I have seen the cops laughed at because the scum thugs know that the cops are ineffectual and won't do anything about it ), one doesn't attack the cops after evading a traffic stop and breaking traffic laws, unless they want to be in strife. The guy attacking the cop was lucky not to be shot.

 

I've seen plenty like them in Pattaya where they hire a large m'bike and speed as if they own the road. They don't impress me in the slightest.

I just hope the NZ government doesn't waste any effort trying to get them off.

 

"The vdo looks like a phone camera vdo being taken by a civilian that was hiding from possibly being attacked, or shot."

 

No, sorry, but it does say in the article:- 

 

"...the two foreigners were infuriated and allegedly attacked the police while having the incident recorded by the police.

[Cabradelmar]

1 minute ago, superal said:

I believe there were other cops turning up , so no escape , if that was ever on their minds .

There is also evidence on the cops phone of the NZs trying to bribe their way out of the final stop, and eye witnesses at the noodle shop where the final stop occured. Hamish and Oscar did a stupid thing and will face consequences. That is a near certainty. As it should be. Should have just obligated the original traffic stop. Everyone knows those stop points are designed to sweep in as many as possible. But they also let go as many as they fine.