U.S. vote count edges Biden closer to win as Trump mounts legal challenges

[sscc]

As soon as the full results are out within days,   reality is Trump will find many of his trustworthy comrades ( including judges )  turning his back against.    

Sorry, Mr.  that is life. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I find it amazing Trump uses that song.  About gay men in the Village.  Too funny.

Most artists complain when he used their songs without permission so maybe whoever represents the Village People now didn't complain.

[teacherclaire]

President Donald Trump alleged fraud without providing evidence, filed lawsuits and called for recounts in a race yet to be decided more two days after polls closed.

 

 Typical for a man who's never really worked a day of his life.
He must live in his own Disney World.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, sscc said:

As soon as the full results are out within days,   reality is Trump will find many of his trustworthy comrades ( including judges )  turning his back against.    

Sorry, Mr.  that is life.

Rick Santorum is the GOP punching bag on CNN.  He does a pretty good job defending the GOP, though a bit overboard at times.  Today?  He went after Trump and his lies, and his GOP colleagues.  For not pushing back on Trump's lies about election integrity.

 

The worm may turn...we'll see.  Even Faux News is staring to put up stories you would have never seen earlier. 

[newnative]

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, he'd be a fool if he didn't. He has a duty to nearly 70 million voters to ensure that vote counting is done correctly. The counting of postal votes was supposed to be closely observed by both parties, but they were only allowed to look from a distance. In Pennsylvania they came in with piles of mail ballots after midnight.

   Yes, they 'came in' with mail ballots after midnight--nothing wrong with that.  And, they can legally count mail ballots that arrive 3 days after the election.  That's Pennsylvania law and it needs to be respected.  Had Trump been trailing in PA, he'd be screaming for all ballots to be counted, as he is doing in AZ.  Basically, he is a spoiled loser who can't  accept that he is losing so he is trying to steal the election.   I can't believe that we even need to be saying 'Count All Ballots'.  Still in the Twilight Zone with the way America has been with Trump as President. 

     In PA, the rural voters voted on election day and they are mostly Republican.  That's why Trump had such a big lead election night.  Mail ballots were not counted early, thanks to the Republican legislature not allowing it.  So, PA had to wait until election day to start counting the millions of mail ballots.  Philadelphia is mostly Democratic and mostly voted by mail.  At one point there were 800,000 mailed ballots to be counted from the Philadelphia area.  With Trump's lead, Biden would need to win 60% of those votes.  He is winning 78% so it's likely that he will win PA.  There's absolutely nothing sinister about any of this--just Trump being a very poor loser and shouting lies left and right.  He continues to be the most disgusting creature on the planet.  

[Salerno]

 

Source.

[stevenl]

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Most artists complain when he used their songs without permission so maybe whoever represents the Village People now didn't complain.

https://pitchfork.com/news/village-people-asked-trump-to-stop-playing-ymca-at-rallies-singer-says/

 

They did complain.

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

https://pitchfork.com/news/village-people-asked-trump-to-stop-playing-ymca-at-rallies-singer-says/

 

They did complain.

Should have sued, just like Trump does to anybody that doesn't agree with him.

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

https://pitchfork.com/news/village-people-asked-trump-to-stop-playing-ymca-at-rallies-singer-says/

 

They did complain.

I'm so not surprised. They complained and he keep using it. That's classic 45. Rules and laws and paying taxes are for losers.

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm so not surprised. They complained and he keep using it. That's classic 45. Rules and laws and paying taxes are for losers.

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

https://pitchfork.com/news/village-people-asked-trump-to-stop-playing-ymca-at-rallies-singer-says/

 

They did complain.

 

I think we can all agree, we are very very grateful he isn't using Macho Man

[Jingthing]

The fat lady is warming up her singing voice.

 

Nevada is a win for Biden. Not called yet but definite.

 

Arizona could still go either way but probable Biden. 

 

Georgia could go either way but probably Biden. Big state. 

 

Pennsylvania the 45 slayer will either tonight or tomorrow be called for Biden. 

 

45 might have a chance in court over one state. 

 

But not now.  Not with losing Pennsylvania. 

 

I won't say game over yet but its game overish.

 

To the 45 fans I say thanks for playing. You win some you lose some you lost this one.

 

From fivethirtyeight.com affiliated with ABC News.

 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

[Peterw42]

So let me see if I understand this,

Trump, for 3-4 months, has been telling his supporters to vote for him in person, not by mail.

Now Trump is surprised all the mail-in votes are for Biden.

 

 

[Opl]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

 

Sean Hannity Calls For A Do-Over In Pennsylvania As MAGA World Melts Down

“The only remedy I would see at that point is … a do-over in that state,” Hannity said with a straight face. “Something that has never been done in a presidential election.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/11/05/sean-hannity-calls-for-a-do-over-in-pennsylvania-as-maga-world-melts-down.html

[Sophon]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

OK.

Big drama in Georgia!

45 has a 18.5k lead.

Only 50K votes still needed to be counted. 

Meaning Biden needs about 70 percent of those 50k.

But coming mostly from heavily democratic precincts.

But 70 percent is alot.

Not making any predictions.

Except its going to be close.

Wow!

 

 

 

Down to 1.8k votes now with around 15k votes still to be counted (according to the BBC). Since most of the remaining votes are mail in votes from Atlanta and Savannah (both heavily favouring Biden), Biden has a good chance of winning Georgia.

 

If Trump ends up carrying Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina but loses Nevada and Arizona, anybody want to bet against Trump calling for recounts in Nevada and Arizona but going to the courts to try and prevent recounts in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina?

Edited November 6, 2020 by Sophon

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

So let me see if I understand this,

Trump, for 3-4 months, has been telling his supporters to vote for him in person, not by mail.

Now Trump is surprised all the mail-in votes are for Biden.

 

 

Not surprised. It was his plan to call the mailed ballots fraudulent. He's been setting up this tragic farce for months. He's an odd sort of con man that tells the entire world the details of his cons in advance.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Sophon said:

 

Down to 1.8k votes now with around 15k votes still to be counted (according to the BBC). Since most of the remaining votes are mail in votes from Atlanta and Savannah (both heavily favouring Biden), Biden has a good chance of winning Georgia.

 

If Trump ends up carrying Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina but loses Nevada and Arizona, anybody want to bet against Trump calling for recounts in Nevada and Arizona but going to the courts to try and prevent recounts in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina?

Sure but that's not happening. Biden will win  Pennsylvania, it's callable in a normal year and now Georgia looks almost as definite as Pennsylvania for Biden.

[teacherclaire]

A new job for Trump would be to flip hamburgers for 7.99/hour. 

 

He should know how his folks live and why the minimum wage is a joke I can't laugh about.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by teacherclaire

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

Sean Hannity Calls For A Do-Over In Pennsylvania As MAGA World Melts Down

“The only remedy I would see at that point is … a do-over in that state,” Hannity said with a straight face. “Something that has never been done in a presidential election.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/11/05/sean-hannity-calls-for-a-do-over-in-pennsylvania-as-maga-world-melts-down.html

The world would be a better place without Faux News and it's gang of conspiracy theorists.  Amazing some actually listen to them.

[ballpoint]

6 minutes ago, teacherclaire said:

A new job for Trump would be to flip hamburgers for 7.99/hour. 

 

He should know how his folks live and why the minimum wage is a joke I can't laugh about.

 

 

I would never eat anything that had been prepared by Trump, but I suppose his supporters would be there sucking it up.

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

https://pitchfork.com/news/village-people-asked-trump-to-stop-playing-ymca-at-rallies-singer-says/

 

They did complain.

They said Old Man!

Stop playing our song.

They said Old Man!

Don't you know that it's wrong?

etc etc

[Berkshire]

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The fat lady is warming up her singing voice.

 

Nevada is a win for Biden. Not called yet but definite.

 

Arizona could still go either way but probable Biden. 

 

Georgia could go either way but probably Biden. Big state. 

 

Pennsylvania the 45 slayer will either tonight or tomorrow be called for Biden. 

 

45 might have a chance in court over one state. 

 

But not now.  Not with losing Pennsylvania. 

 

I won't say game over yet but its game overish.

 

To the 45 fans I say thanks for playing. You win some you lose some you lost this one.

 

From fivethirtyeight.com affiliated with ABC News.

 

Darn, looks like we have to wait another day.  But I agree with your prognostications.  The magic number is 306.

[Jeffr2]

Philadelphia releases its first batch of results in hours, netting Biden more than 10,000 votes. The Trump lead in Pennsylvania is now around 26,000 votes.

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, Sophon said:

 

Down to 1.8k votes now with around 15k votes still to be counted (according to the BBC). Since most of the remaining votes are mail in votes from Atlanta and Savannah (both heavily favouring Biden), Biden has a good chance of winning Georgia.

 

If Trump ends up carrying Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina but loses Nevada and Arizona, anybody want to bet against Trump calling for recounts in Nevada and Arizona but going to the courts to try and prevent recounts in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina?

Fivethirtyeight calculated Biden would need 56% of the remaining vote to win. I think he's been running at about 63%. So at this juncture he's favored.

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

President Donald Trump alleged fraud without providing evidence, filed lawsuits and called for recounts in a race yet to be decided more two days after polls closed.

 

 Typical for a man who's never really worked a day of his life.
He must live in his own Disney World.

 

these court cases are not about "winning."  trump's attorneys have provided little or no evidence, mostly just allegations or rumors.  they know most will be tossed as frivolous.

 

these are for messaging, to signal to his base that the fight goes on, so that his sponsors will give more cash.

 

it's like both parties have done with "dossiers" of imaginary evidence.  they send it to some authority - fbi or whomever - so that someone is some office has to receive it and of course must "look into it," which then gives the originators the chance to inform the media that the authorities are "investigating."

[FritsSikkink]

16 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Yes, I know, but these aren't army votes. They are piles of mail ballots coming in late in a state that is going slow on counting - a state that is a crucial swing state.

Any proof or do you just believe anything that trump says?

[ChouDoufu]

11 hours ago, JensenZ said:

We're talking about court cases here. The court will decide.

 

and speaking of cases, the media mostly seem to have forgotten about the pandemic.  yesterday was another record-setting day. 

 

instead of initiating more frivolous court cases and whining about losing, perhaps the big man could take a little time out of his busy tweeting schedule to prevent the anticipated 100,000 additional covid deaths between now and biden's inauguration.

 

talk about a legacy!

 

 

New confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. have climbed to an all-time high of more than 86,000 per day on average, in a glimpse of the worsening crisis that lies ahead for the winner of the presidential election.

 

Cases and hospitalizations are setting records all around the country just as the holidays and winter approach, demonstrating the challenge that either President Donald Trump or former Vice President Joe Biden will face in the coming months.

 

Daily new confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. have surged 45% over the past two weeks, to a record 7-day average of 86,352, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Deaths are also on the rise, up 15 percent to an average of 846 deaths every day.

 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-pandemics-virus-outbreak-public-health-0715afa39a966935fe12ea4123cf62fc

Edited November 6, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[wwest5829]

17 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

I'm not American, so maybe there's something about the counting that I don't understand.

Many states have been declared as Trump or Biden wins - before all the votes have been counted.

 

One example: Arizona declared as a win for Biden.

So far the vote count is Trump 1,400,000 and Biden 1,470,000 a lead of  just 70,000.

But, there are still almost 400,000 votes uncounted.

Surely this means that Trump could still win, theoretically.

What am I missing?

 

I'm taking these figures from the Guardian live update https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

Possible? Yes. Probable on the basis of voting direction? No. Remember the calling is a "projection, not a statement of actual final count fact.

[wwest5829]

16 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, he'd be a fool if he didn't. He has a duty to nearly 70 million voters to ensure that vote counting is done correctly. The counting of postal votes was supposed to be closely observed by both parties, but they were only allowed to look from a distance. In Pennsylvania they came in with piles of mail ballots after midnight.

If they are ballots from registered voters postmarked by Election Day, they are valid votes ...

[Surelynot]

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Edited November 6, 2020 by Surelynot