Thai health officials skeptical about vaccine passports

 

 

Thai health officials are not convinced about the “vaccine passport” idea, which would allow travellers, who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter Thailand without the need to endure 14-days of quarantine.

 

The Director-General of the Disease Control Department, Dr. Opas Karnkawinpong announced yesterday that the vaccine passport is only a suggestion, because the World Health Organisation has suggested that there is not enough evidence to show that the COVID-19 vaccine will fully protect people from getting infected.

 

Dr. Opas believes, however, that, in the future, vaccine passports will be used by travellers to prevent the spread of the virus, similar to a yellow fever vaccination certificate, which is used by travellers from Africa and South America to prove that they have been vaccinated against the disease.

 

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3 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Thai health officials are not convinced about the “vaccine passport” idea

maybe there exists the tiniest grain of intelligence in them after all

Easily forgeable. Need a Bar or QR code linked to the vaccination.

 

 

11 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

maybe there exists the tiniest grain of intelligence in them after all

lol ????

If they decide to keep the quaranten during next high season, Phuket and Pattaya will as lively as Hiroshima and Nagasaki after ww2. 

39 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

Easily forgeable. Need a Bar or QR code linked to the vaccination.

 

inked on one's forehead.

 

 

51 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Thai health officials are not convinced about the “vaccine passport” idea, which would allow travellers, who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter Thailand without the need to endure 14-days of quarantine.

 

only way thailand can open tourism with their current zero tolerance is if they vaccinate their whole population.

 

thats going to take some time with all the variant boosters that will be coming too

 

looking like 2022 IF they get their act together and fast

 

So even being chipped wouldn't work, I mean every shop has a bar code scanner, just bar code each and  .  I wouldn't mind adding one to my collection of Tattoos, as long as I get a royalty payment.

 

Traces of sarcasm and a lack of judgement went into this post and I have not even had a drink yet

If this vaccination passport is not adopted, travelers will still need to do the 14 days quarantine.

 

Again, it's all about money. 

 

 

7 hours ago, Antiparovian said:

Easily forgeable. Need a Bar or QR code linked to the vaccination.

 

 

The vaccine passport will not be issued by Thailand ot be anything like in the picture, The purpose of the picture was as an example only. 

The Vaccine certificate will be issued by the administering country.The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is developing a system where vaccination information will be collected from every participating country ,and  verified, 

" The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced Monday that it's "in the final development phase" of a "digital passport" mobile app that would receive COVID-19 test and vaccination certificates." 

https://www.axios.com/airlines-covid-vaccine-passports-drive-6fb11f81-f5b7-49d9-817f-18ac71a8d489.html

The vaccine might not provide 100% protection against transmision, but provide a significantly high protection to be consider as an alternative to the destruction of the tourism industry. 

By this spring we will have enough people vaccinated around the world  to know the degree of protection and a decision will be made. In the meantime it does not hurt to prepare for the possible option of a vaccine passports to open up that segment of Thailand's economy.  

Just microchip ALL expats - problem solved.

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

The vaccine passport will not be issued by Thailand ot be anything like in the picture, The purpose of the picture was as an example only. 

The Vaccine certificate will be issued by the administering country.The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is developing a system where vaccination information will be collected from every participating country ,and  verified, 

" The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced Monday that it's "in the final development phase" of a "digital passport" mobile app that would receive COVID-19 test and vaccination certificates." 

https://www.axios.com/airlines-covid-vaccine-passports-drive-6fb11f81-f5b7-49d9-817f-18ac71a8d489.html

The vaccine might not provide 100% protection against transmision, but provide a significantly high protection to be consider as an alternative to the destruction of the tourism industry. 

By this spring we will have enough people vaccinated around the world  to know the degree of protection and a decision will be made. In the meantime it does not hurt to prepare for the possible option of a vaccine passports to open up that segment of Thailand's economy.  

So I am scanning the news on Google news:

The US Government is considering it.

"On his full first day in office, President Biden revealed his 200-page national pandemic strategy with seven goals aimed at ending the Covid-19 pandemic. Buried deep in the report, on page 181, is a directive for multiple government agencies to work together to “assess the feasibility” of linking Covid-19 vaccinations to international vaccination certificates and producing electronic versions of them. "

 

"The United Kingdom is preparing a certification system that would allow inoculated citizens to travel abroad this summer, reported the London Times "

 

" Last month, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Union Commission, said that she supports creating a common EU-established vaccination certificate that can be issued by member states to their citizens"

 

" While they wait for an EU-wide vaccination certificate to become available, some European Union member states are already or will soon be issuing their own certificates to citizens who have been vaccinated against Covid-19."

 

"Iceland, Denmark , Sweden, Spain,Cyprus, Poland, Estonia,Greece are some of the countries that will be issuing and accepting covid passports "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/02/05/these-european-countries-are-launching-vaccine-passports/?sh=6176a6b677a5

 

"Greece agrees vaccine passport deal with Israel as ‘trial run’  "

https://www.politico.eu/article/greece-agrees-coronavirus-vaccine-passport-deal-with-israel-as-trial-run/

 

I am sure there are many other countries working on this proposal. As you can see the proposal is gaining speed  around the world. Thailand being a major tourist destination can't be far behind.

Of course everyone is monitoring Covid 19 developments and I am sure  will modify their position in the next few months depending on the data. 

 

The cash cow that has laid a golden egg of ASQ and has lined the pockets of the selected few will be hard to give up even with the evidence of the vaccine being the only way out RIP ????

So far it is going like i expected . More and more talks now about the need for vaccination passports and the need for quarantine or not . Now give it a few months more , and the effects of the vaccination should start to work . Then the talks gonna be much harder and i believe the quarantine be lifted . Especially if other countries would do so , then Thailand can choose to stay on the sideline or not .

1 hour ago, sezze said:

So far it is going like i expected . More and more talks now about the need for vaccination passports and the need for quarantine or not . Now give it a few months more , and the effects of the vaccination should start to work . Then the talks gonna be much harder and i believe the quarantine be lifted . Especially if other countries would do so , then Thailand can choose to stay on the sideline or not .

 

Any 'vaccine passport' would need to be very specific, apparently only some vaccines work for some of the variants and others, not so much.

 

It's going to be a complex and rapidly changing situation.

 

Conclusion - it's completely unworkable.

 

If it was as simple as showing you've been vaccinated then no problem but that's not the case at all.

Even vaccinated we remain apparently still a big risk. Quarantine in tha 5 stars hotel for safety. ????

“Health Officials” generally continue to get payed while often getting to work from home. 

 

No skin off their nose.

The best vaccine passport is already here and has been accepted by every country in the world it's called MONEY!

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thai health officials

Thailand had it good for a while with no infections at all, If those 'Thai health officials' would have done their job properly guarding the northern borders of this country fro thousands of infected people coming in freely, we would have been in this colossal mass now...

25 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

Any 'vaccine passport' would need to be very specific, apparently only some vaccines work for some of the variants and others, not so much.

 

It's going to be a complex and rapidly changing situation.

 

Conclusion - it's completely unworkable.

 

If it was as simple as showing you've been vaccinated then no problem but that's not the case at all.

You need to call the US , UK, EU, Iceland, Denmark , Sweden, Spain,Cyprus, Poland, Estonia,Greece, Israel  etc and tell them, because I am sure they have not thought about that. 

10 hours ago, anchadian said:

If this vaccination passport is not adopted, travelers will still need to do the 14 days quarantine.

 

Again, it's all about money. 

 

 

I don’t follow your logic- isn’t there significantly more money to be made in letting large numbers of people into the country under something approaching normal tourism, rather than a few hundred/thousand a month under a 14 day quarantine scheme ? 

8 minutes ago, ezzra said:

we would have been in this colossal mass now...

A little perspective please, ‘colossal mess’?

Every weekend I call my folks back in the UK. They would give their right arm to have been holed up in Thailand for the last year. Overall, I think we should count our blessings that we are in a country with a low level of infections and deaths and limited impacts on day to day life. I can’t imagine how depressing and stressful it must be in some places, with severe lockdowns and hundreds/thousands dying daily.

 

 

Anti vaxers should not have to have any vaccine and sensible people should not have to fund their treatment if they get infected. It is criminal that they think the vaccine is a worse risk than the disease. Today I was working with a guy who had 4 of his friends die from covid19, all fit working men. Without vaccine it is only a matter of time before everyone is infected, unless countries completely seal their borders. Anyone who is not vaccinated risks becoming the source of a new variant. 

Refuse vaccination if you want, at least in the UK it is not forced on you but don't expect any sympathy if you get ill. 

 

These new variants spread quicker and are more deadly but you are much better off if you have been vaccinated even if it doesn't prevent infection. 

As for proof of vaccination - it has to be not easily forged. Also it is still unclear if vaccination stops you spreading covid19 but it looks like it will help.

4 hours ago, mike787 said:

Just microchip ALL expats - problem solved.

Are you saying you haven't got yours yet?

34 minutes ago, MuayThaiGuy said:

Once people accept "vaccine passports".. pharmaceutical companies will come out with various other vaccines and bribe politicians to add them to the requirements.

If you don't want to be injected with a cocktail of disgusting ingredients..  you lose your mobility rights.

It's medical tyranny.

People should never give up their right to bodily autonomy.

 

On the plus side, with a Flat Earth travel should be easier.

 

Maybe lay off the Kool-Aid.

 

 

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

The vaccine passport will not be issued by Thailand ot be anything like in the picture, The purpose of the picture was as an example only. 

The Vaccine certificate will be issued by the administering country.The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is developing a system where vaccination information will be collected from every participating country ,and  verified, 

" The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced Monday that it's "in the final development phase" of a "digital passport" mobile app that would receive COVID-19 test and vaccination certificates." 

https://www.axios.com/airlines-covid-vaccine-passports-drive-6fb11f81-f5b7-49d9-817f-18ac71a8d489.html

The vaccine might not provide 100% protection against transmision, but provide a significantly high protection to be consider as an alternative to the destruction of the tourism industry. 

By this spring we will have enough people vaccinated around the world  to know the degree of protection and a decision will be made. In the meantime it does not hurt to prepare for the possible option of a vaccine passports to open up that segment of Thailand's economy.  

The problem is that Thailand is already proposing not to vaccinate their population until June. So, while tourists may have been vaccinated by the Summer, many Thais won't be. The passport may only aid tourists with avoiding exorbitant health insurance policies, but not a 14 day quarantine. 

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thai health officials are not convinced about the “vaccine passport” idea, which would allow travellers, who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter Thailand without the need to endure 14-days of quarantine.

 

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

World Health Organisation has suggested that there is not enough evidence to show that the COVID-19 vaccine will fully protect people from getting infected.

 

That is why you have to fully vaccinate the Thai population. There is no other way around that fact. The Thai economy will continue to implode until this is done and tourism reopened.

 

What Is The Hold Up On That!     ????

 

 

5 minutes ago, Billybaroo said:

The problem is that Thailand is already proposing not to vaccinate their population until June. So, while tourists may have been vaccinated by the Summer, many Thais won't be. The passport may only aid tourists with avoiding exorbitant health insurance policies, but not a 14 day quarantine. 

I thought Thailand was planning to vaccinate half of their population this year and the rest will follow at an undisclosed date after that.

 

4 minutes ago, Billybaroo said:

The problem is that Thailand is already proposing not to vaccinate their population until June. So, while tourists may have been vaccinated by the Summer, many Thais won't be. The passport may only aid tourists with avoiding exorbitant health insurance policies, but not a 14 day quarantine. 

They might as well wait till August and get the next version of vaccines which will also be ineffective against the next bunch of variants. 

3 minutes ago, chang1 said:

They might as well wait till August and get the next version of vaccines which will also be ineffective against the next bunch of variants. 

Are you one of those anti vaxers you spoke about earlier?