1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Slowing down but not preventing .

Exactly. No one says that face masks are 100% effective. 

 

Wearing No face mask is 100% ineffective. 

Where was he when people were urging him to order enough vaccines?

28 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I am not doing all these silly experiments for you.....you don't even know water weighs 1kg/liter and hence gravity creates the pressure you say does not exist! You are lacking in scientific knowledge....actually I am tired of being trolled and you are gone to me!

A couple of drops of water doesn't weigh very much, in fact a couple of drops of water probably weighs about as much as a couple of drops of snot even without the added pressure of a sneeze or cough helping it on it's way.If you are not prepared to see for yourself how ineffective these cheap surgical masks are at stopping liquid from passing through then you may continue to follow the pied piper and join the rest of the lemmings off the edge of the cliff.  

9 hours ago, webfact said:

proper disease controls, after at least 50 million Thais have received their first vaccine dose.

What is it with all this " One shot and we are Immune C@@P ".

The population will not be immune, and if Sinovac has been used for Inoculation, then there is a real possibility that the 50 M people Prayut talks about will only have a 3 % chance of being Immune.

Thailand is heading for many Nations Red Flag List at a rate of Knots.

Its as if they are in a race to the bottom.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Today, the people are struggling for survival.

well then do something about it - (t) yourism is not the answer 

 

start supporting all of the people with welfare payments while this #### continues 

 

Lets get some of those claimed massive foreign reserves into Thai Baht and support the people you greedy ####

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Of course, if you are not wearing a face mask, all of the particles are free to infect others. 

 

CDC recommends wearing a face mask to slow viral transmission. 

Yes the masks aerosolise the moisture  where as no masks means the larger droplets will fall to the ground much sooner.So take your pick.In Australia the virus is floating from quarantine hotel room to room infecting people a lot further away than 2 meters, how do you account for this?

17 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

The government policy is 180 degrees opposite of its stated intention of reviving the economy and it serves absolutely no useful purpose. 

I would contend that it serves many useful purposes and that the state of the economy is of secondary concern. Remember this mob are unaccountable and do what they like, so they are not going to be judged on their successes or failures in the end. Everything can be blamed on COVID anyway, and we all know taking responsibility is not done here. 

 

Continuous lockdowns mean no mass protests in Bangkok and if there are any they can be quickly quashed under restrictions.

No foreigners are here to rebel rouse and convey unwanted opinions on the state of things. Wouldn't want the truth plastered all over the international media.

Big corporate interests are positioned to snap up SMEs that have failed or close to failing.

They can further eradicate the sex-tourism industry by continuing total alcohol bans.

Aforementioned alcohol bans please the conservative elite who currently run the country and are embarrassed about the country's image as a sex-tourism destination.

 

There are loads more benefits to keeping the borders closed than those I have listed above. 

 

For the masses they can scavenge to survive, Thais won't ever starve. The Hilux or payments on the newly built house in the moo-baan can be ignored as the banks aren't allowed to repossess at the moment.  

 

Again, taking responsibility is not done here so who cares about the mounting debts to the creditors? 

 

Guess what happens next?

 

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

well then do something about it - (t) yourism is not the answer 

 

start supporting all of the people with welfare payments while this #### continues 

 

Lets get some of those claimed massive foreign reserves into Thai Baht and support the people you greedy ####

Somebody gets it. 

1 hour ago, Joinaman said:

but do they wear the cheap Chinese masks that most Thais do ?

The ones that state on the box " Not for medical use " ?

people wear them for show and avoiding fines, they useless and offer no protection

Over 91% of Thais think after one shot, you are fully vaccinated? Where would they be getting this dis information from? The Government leaders, The internet. Some vaccine firsts shot may be stronger than others but Sinovac might be the weakest. Just google " does one jab of vaccine give you full protection against  Covid "

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

well then do something about it - (t) yourism is not the answer 

 

start supporting all of the people with welfare payments while this #### continues 

 

Lets get some of those claimed massive foreign reserves into Thai Baht and support the people you greedy ####

Last time Thailand use the reserves didn’t end up too well and the contagion created financial havoc to other Asian countries. 

Just now, smedly said:

people wear them for show and avoiding fines, they useless and offer no protection

Good for stopping women on their bikes swallowing bugs while talking on their phones. 

7 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Guess what happens next?

the Thai baht goes up - go figure

33 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nice effort to parse words to make it sound like CDC says face masks are ineffective in stopping transmission of the virus. 

 

Since you are quoting the CDC:

 

In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

 

Have you actually read this article?

 

The whole mask wearing advice fiasco is based on a study of two hair stylists in Missouri in May 2020 .

 

The article you have linked to is recent and still after more than a year the CDC is dragging up the very same study as proof of effectiveness of mask wearing. That's the best they can come up with! What a joke.

 

From the article:

 

"The results of the Missouri case study provide further evidence on the benefits of wearing a cloth face covering. The investigation focused on two hair stylists — infected with and having symptoms of COVID-19 — whose salon policy followed a local ordinance requiring cloth face coverings for all employees and patrons. The investigators found that none of the stylists’ 139 clients or secondary contacts became ill, and all 67 clients who volunteered to be tested showed no sign of infection.

 

COVID-19 prevention in a Missouri hair salon

When two stylists at a Missouri hair salon tested positive for the virus that causes COVID-19, researchers from CoxHealth hospitals, Washington University, the University of Kansas, and the Springfield-Greene County Health Department worked together to trace contacts, investigate the cases, and publish their findings in the MMWR.

 

One of the stylists developed respiratory symptoms but continued to see clients for eight days. The other, who apparently became infected from her co-worker, also developed respiratory symptoms and continued to see clients for four days.

 

The salon in which they worked had a policy requiring both stylists and their clients to wear face coverings, consistent with the local government ordinance. Both stylists wore double-layered cloth face coverings or surgical masks when seeing clients. The median appointment time was 15 minutes and ranged from 15 to 45 minutes. More than 98% of clients wore a face covering—47% wore cloth face coverings, 46% wore surgical masks, and about 5% wore N-95 respirators.

 

When customers were asked whether they had been ill with any respiratory symptoms in the 90 days preceding their appointment, 87 (84%) reported that they had not. None of the interviewed customers developed symptoms of illness. Among 67 (48%) customers who volunteered to be tested, all 67 tested negative for the virus that causes COVID-19. Several family members of one of the stylist’s subsequently developed symptoms and received a diagnosis of COVID-19."

 

You can just imagine the reaction from Tedros, Fauci and CDC colleagues at the time. Something like "Let's pretend new evidence for effectiveness is overwhelming here. Let's ignore decades of peer reviewed research and our own previous recommendations and let's get the whole world to wear masks immediately!"

This shows they don' t want it open.   
Coviid is the excuse for them to rule with iron fist, with impunity, with draconian philosophies, all under the guise of safety....and no one fights back.

Same philosphy being done in many countries by their governments.  

It's been the golden goose for them.

33 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The actual requirements to make this happen have yet to be defined.... months away yet, plenty of time for each wannabe to have an input and get a photo opportunity. Bet it ends up being as popular as the Special Tourist Visa....

As short sighted as i am i believe you are correct in that the sand box scheme will be as successful as the special tourist visa was . 

I am of the opinion that it is more up to the foreigners when they wish to return rather than when Thailand opens it's borders .

4 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

This shows they don' t want it open.   
Coviid is the excuse for them to rule with iron fist, with impunity, with draconian philosophies, all under the guise of safety....and no one fights back.

Same philosphy being done in many countries by their governments.  

It's been the golden goose for them.

Nurse..... he is out of his bed again!

1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:

In Australia there are documented cases of transmission from room to room in quarantine hotels which indicates something more than droplet transmission up to 2 meters.Now they are using the term fleeting contact transmission and just entering the air space of and infected person who is no longer there is enough to cause infection.

That's because the politicians, in their rush to find a cheap solution, did not realize most large Australian hotels have a centralized air conditioning system, which actually helps virus spread.

There have been no cases of transmission at Hope Springs, where each cabin has dedicated air conditioning.

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

Nurse..... he is out of his bed again!

I feel sure you are in a similar position to take note of the gentleman's movements .

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Nurse..... he is out of his bed again!

 

7 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

This shows they don' t want it open.   
Coviid is the excuse for them to rule with iron fist, with impunity, with draconian philosophies, all under the guise of safety....and no one fights back.

Same philosphy being done in many countries by their governments.  

It's been the golden goose for them.

There are those who fight back like the hi-so disregarding and partying in Thonglor and now in ICUs. 

6 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

 

Are you serious... they just follow another tack against the wind!

They are copy cat people who cannot accept reality and follow cartoon drawings.. (which will be removed quickly).

 

21 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There are those who fight back like the hi-so disregarding and partying in Thonglor and now in ICUs. 

Forced Internment Camps Unnecessarily... I think most got to a pass.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The data thus far is saying an uninfected person reduces their chance of infection by 30% when wearing a mask, and an infected person reduces the risk of infecting others by 70% if they wear a mask.

 

Can we substitute "uninfected" with "unelected", and reduces your chance of infection?????

 

 

2 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

They also hold a lot of bacteria so it is proven that they are not really healthy as well .

 

Unless you wear them one time and discard, (or washable ones are properly washed after one time use).

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

For the very same reason Thaksin was chased away, the narrative must be maintained at any cost, and private ventures, no matter how philanthropic, well meaning or beneficial, are not permitted.

 

 

Except private ventures owned by the "good" people.

 

 

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

I certainly don't favor that however to "lock up" tourists who have been tested and have had the vaccine certainly is locking up those who are least likely to either contract or pass the virus.  However the quarantine of incoming tourists is unquestionably a huge deterrent for tourists to even want to try to visit Thailand.  The government policy is 180 degrees opposite of its stated intention of reviving the economy and it serves absolutely no useful purpose. 

 

The quarantine in hotels is a racket, and a huge money spinner for the "good" people.

I would be more than happy to do my part and receive my two jabs of AZ as I am over 60, but every mass vaccination site in Bangkok seems to be for "Thai ONLY". Being for one and not the other is "SEGREGATION" and "SEGRIGATION IS RACISM"!!!

 

The website for foreigners never worked correctly and it's down...

Has Thai PM not heard the prophecy proclaimed by western 'experts' and priests of science that the new wave of Covid will certainly arrive in October?

Maybe  Mr. PM you should have ordered vaccines, or put your name on the list to order, many months ago.

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Citation needed. Preferably peer reviewed.

 

On another Covid-related thread yesterday, we had another of TV's Covid mental giants falsely claiming Sinopharm's first-shot efficacy was only 5%.

I don’t believe that there are any peer reviewed research studies as yet on the efficacy of sinovac against the delta variant. So you are right to question the statement made that it has no efficacy.

 

having said that, there are some warning signals popping up around the world (Indonesia and Chile being front and centre) that is causing concern. No doubt some research is being done and will be available shortly.

 

it’s possible that the member who quoted first shot efficacy of 5% for sinopharm, actually meant sinovac. The latter appears to have single shot efficacy in single digits. Lots of research to suggest that.

 

I haven’t actually seen any single shot efficacy numbers for sinopharm. Do you have any links that show it?

 

 

10 hours ago, webfact said:

every agency and individual must do their utmost.

Well, does it include himself to buy - not to order only -  sufficient and effective vaccines for Thailand?? ????

54 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

 

Nurse.  Facts don't matter.  I'll be danged if 99.97% that had it now have natural immunity after the sniffles.
We have a business to run!

Plus...don't you know how much the gov giving if his toe stub is covid caused?!  $38k!

Now tell him he'll die if he don't take the unnapproved drug.  That works on most.

ooh, and take away his fly rights (psst, yes, I know they can't ban you if you mention your medical privacy rights (fact), but TELL HIM that anyways!)

If he too poor to fly...

then offer him free baby sitting, a lotto ticket, free booze, free beer, some free weed,

and a free gun.  That's been selling really well.  Huge spike among the lower income peeps after those promotions.

Doc.  It's not working.

Then tell him he's selfish and stupid and a disease denier!  Do a whisper campaign colling him a conspiracist!  Post photos calling him dirty!.  

But Doc...the emails leaked from CDC shows Fauci stating studies show HCQ were 100% safe to use AND he recommended to his close associates that they take that, and not the unnapproved drug.

AND the mrna creators are campaiigning against the drug companies for misrepresenting what the mrna does.

Then tell him thats why the vax. won't protect a vaccinated person.  It ONLY works if the person next to you is vaxxed too.  It must be done for others, not himself.  That's SCIENCE, duh!

I keep telling you facts don't matter nurse.  Sell the sizzle, not the steak.  This man is on his death bed unless he takes this.  
And he's killing 1,000's of others.

Doc, he says he'll take the placebo like the government peeps..  

Fine, works just as good.  But tell him he has to get snipped then too.  Can't have more of these wandering around.