2 minutes ago, Swimfan said:

Dan

Is this a Super Artifact, Apostle or Towering Inferno ?

In Oz we have a saying below. 

 

She'll be right (often followed by a friendly term of address such as mate) is a frequently used idiom in Australian and New Zealand culture that expresses the belief that "whatever is wrong will right itself with time", which is considered to be either an optimistic or apathetic outlook

2 minutes ago, club said:

The Delta Variant is not good news for anyone that has had 2 jabs of Sinovac. In several countries it doesn't work

10 of the 26 doctors in Indonesia who died from COVID-19 this month received both doses of the vaccine developed by Sinovac, a medical association said, raising questions about the Chinese-made shot that's being used in many parts of the developing world.

 

https://twitter.com/eolander/status/1409313526443769857

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you show evidence of that? ie lockdowns have not made much difference?

 

There is little point in me doing so.   The UK implemented lockdowns and the case numbers kept on rising as an example.    A lockdown believer will then counter with something like "but it would have been a lot worse if they didn't lockdown" so I find these debates a bit tiresome.   It's impossible for me to hop over to the parallel universe where the UK rode it out without a lockdown and come back with irrefutable proof to back up my claim.    It's a faith based system similar to a religion.  You may believe in it but I personally choose not to.  

Just now, James105 said:

 

There is little point in me doing so.   The UK implemented lockdowns and the case numbers kept on rising as an example.    A lockdown believer will then counter with something like "but it would have been a lot worse if they didn't lockdown" so I find these debates a bit tiresome.   It's impossible for me to hop over to the parallel universe where the UK rode it out without a lockdown and come back with irrefutable proof to back up my claim.    It's a faith based system similar to a religion.  You may believe in it but I personally choose not to.  

Thats not true though is it, when the UK implemented lockdown the numbers began to decrease within a couple of weeks, "on both occasions", when the UK lifted lockdowns cases went through the roof again and it was only a combination of lockdown and vaccinations that got them to where they are now.

 

Those are the facts.

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

There is little point in me doing so.   The UK implemented lockdowns and the case numbers kept on rising as an example.    A lockdown believer will then counter with something like "but it would have been a lot worse if they didn't lockdown" so I find these debates a bit tiresome.   It's impossible for me to hop over to the parallel universe where the UK rode it out without a lockdown and come back with irrefutable proof to back up my claim.    It's a faith based system similar to a religion.  You may believe in it but I personally choose not to.  

Nope.

 

you are revising history.

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Except for the migrants scrambling back to their home countries.

My main concern is those who have returned to their homes in the provinces. Could be a huge spread going on now.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats not true though is it, when the UK implemented lockdown the numbers began to decrease within a couple of weeks, "on both occasions", when the UK lifted lockdowns cases went through the roof again and it was only a combination of lockdown and vaccinations that got them to where they are now.

 

Those are the facts.

 

If only it were that simple.    On occasions the cases were already in decline before the lockdowns were implemented and others they were not.   Correlation/causation etc.    It's faith system where lockdowns are given credit when it appears to work, and if it does not then the lockdown was not implemented correctly or early enough etc.  

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

If only it were that simple.    On occasions the cases were already in decline before the lockdowns were implemented and others they were not.   Correlation/causation etc.    It's faith system where lockdowns are given credit when it appears to work, and if it does not then the lockdown was not implemented correctly or early enough etc.  

"It's faith system where lockdowns are given credit"

 

Prove your claim otherwise you are spreading false and dangerous information

Are people really debating whether lockdowns work as a concept ????? Lol. Of course well designed lockdowns will result in decreased transmission. It's day 1 deductive reasoning.

 

But lockdowns come with costs. So the right questions to ask would be: (1) what are the explicit and implicit costs of a lockdown, and are they worth it to save that incremental number of lives; and (2) if it is worth it, can the authorities be trusted to design and enforce an effective lockdown.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"It's faith system where lockdowns are given credit"

 

Prove your claim otherwise you are spreading false and dangerous information

Saying lockdowns don’t work, without providing proof, at a time when the Thai people are considering a lockdown, is noise at best, and dangerous at worst.

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

If only it were that simple.    On occasions the cases were already in decline before the lockdowns were implemented and others they were not.   Correlation/causation etc.    It's faith system where lockdowns are given credit when it appears to work, and if it does not then the lockdown was not implemented correctly or early enough etc.  

otherwise stated as “ lockdowns work, unless they are implemented incorrectly “.

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

you are revising history.

 

My apologies, let me point to the great non-lockdown of 2018/2019 where the UK experienced its worst flu outbreak in years.    During this terrible period tens of thousands of people died.    If the UK had implemented a lockdown in February 2019, then without doubt people would be stating that the lockdown saved the day as the flu virus all but disappeared in April, and would have forgotten that seasonal viruses are... seasonal.    

 

Maybe the lockdown from November 2020 that lasted all the way into April 2021 worked, or maybe, just as in April 2019 the virus started to fade away due to the change of seasons.     The lockdown that started in November 2020 saw the highest ever number of cases recorded in the UK in January 2021, which gave the lockdown 2 months to have an effect.   Now if you believe in lockdowns at this point you state that the lockdown in November wasn't hard enough, wasn't implemented early enough, or just took a bit longer to start having an effect.   If you don't believe in lockdowns then you tend to err on the side that they don't really seem to make much difference.    

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Saying lockdowns don’t work, without providing proof, at a time when the Thai people are considering a lockdown, is noise at best, and dangerous at worst.

I can prove it, Look what happened to California and New York. They locked down for 4 months and had the highest numbers of cases of any state in the USA

Its so reassuring to see that all available resources have been applied to the Vaccine Roll Out.

The numbers have stagnated over the weekend.

Are there Zero Vaccines available again, or do the Staff still need to go Shopping at this critical time.

As long as no "unvaccinated foreigners" are harmed in the making of this government fiasco, I simply don't care. Other that blatant racism and segregation, there is absolutely no reason what-so-ever that any foreign national should be turned away at anytime to register and/or be vaccinated, nor should their vaccine of choice be substituted for a lesser quality option.

2 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

As long as no "unvaccinated foreigners" are harmed in the making of this government fiasco, I simply don't care. Other that blatant racism and segregation, there is absolutely no reason what-so-ever that any foreign national should be turned away at anytime to register and/or be vaccinated, nor should their vaccine of choice be substituted for a lesser quality option.

You mean what's happening now?

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

Maybe the lockdown from November 2020 that lasted all the way into April 2021 worked, or maybe, just as in April 2019 the virus started to fade away due to the change of seasons.     The lockdown that started in November 2020 saw the highest ever number of cases recorded in the UK in January 2021, which gave the lockdown 2 months to have an effect.   Now if you believe in lockdowns at this point you state that the lockdown in November wasn't hard enough, wasn't implemented early enough, or just took a bit longer to start having an effect.   If you don't believe in lockdowns then you tend to err on the side that they don't really seem to make much difference.    

"Maybe the lockdown from November 2020 that lasted all the way into April 2021 worked, or maybe, just as in April 2019 the virus started to fade away due to the change of seasons."

 

Here we go, covid can dissipate with seasonal change...............

Let's see if they can get to the 6000+ mark in time for Thailand's July 1st Sandbox Grand-Opening in Phuket! 

42 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Exponential increase is orders of magnitude...like doubling and doubling again; again we don't see it. The situation is unfortunate but hardly dire...even a mostly vaccinated UK (similar population) is reporting 15k daily cases so 5k in a mostly unvaccinated population isn't so bad.

If the numbers increase by one a day they will eventually double then double again and again, if they go up by 2 a day they will double twice as quick as one a day.If the increase starts to accelerate then that is exponential.The number of cases seem to be accelerating having gone from about 52 per day on April 2nd (7 day rolling average) to 5400 today then that is exponential.

3 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

there is absolutely no reason what-so-ever that any foreign national should be turned away at anytime to register

Life doesn't work that way

People take care of their citizens first

Human nature

You knew becoming a Thai citizen was next to impossible when you moved here

Live with your choices

Vaccines are coming for foreigners sometime this year

B positive (my blood type also BTW)

☮️

 

Opinion: Four steps the government can take to save the country

 

Since the start of the third wave, the government has been stuck in a difficult, damned if you do, damned if you don’t position. Impose too many restrictions and long-suffering small businesses may finally topple. Impose too few, however, and infections would continue with no end in sight. 

 

Instead of the eradication strategy that the government successfully accomplished last year, this time the government has opted for a middling approach and eventually started removing restrictions even before a consistent improvement in case numbers could be detected. The result was a continued rise in infections which has put the health system under severe strain and now the re-imposition of a ban on dining inside. 

 

This oscillation between closing and opening feels disorienting and does neither public health nor the economy much good. Even while it is clear that there is not much appetite at the highest levels of power to return to last year’s eradication strategy, more can still be done to combat the current situation. 

 

More:

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29028/opinion-four-steps-the-government-can-take-to-save-the-country/

BP have reported that that AZ will deliver 1.3m more doses of vaccine this week.

1 hour ago, worrab said:

Just to throw my thoughts into the melting pot. What is now going to happen after the mass exodus from Bangkok over the weekend thanks to being forewarned about today's sealing up the construction camps and the like?? I have a feeling that the numbers are not going to look good in the next few weeks!!

We have been here before, just ahead of the Songkran break.

All of the posts discussing Ivermectin have been moved to the current Ivermectin topic in the Covid-19 forum.

 

Please do not use the daily Covid-19 topic to continue the discussion of Ivermectin.

 

 

Looks to me like the camp is already empty, too late boys, Prayuts attempt at containing the virus has led to all the high risk people within the  camps dispersing all over the country.

 

Bangkok began sealing off construction worker camps to contain the spread of Covid-19. Checkpoints will be set up on six main roads from 4 p.m. today onwards to limit interprovincial travel and relocation of construction workers.

 

 

https://twitter.com/TNAMCOTEnglish/status/1409364444207992834

 

Bangkok has reported its first case of the Beta variant of Covid-19, originally detected in South Africa.

 

Hundreds of cases of the Beta variant have already been reported in southern Thailand and are believed to have been imported from Malaysia. Supakit Sirilak from the Department of Medical Sciences is expected to host a press conference on the matter today.

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/first-case-of-beta-variant-reported-in-bangkok

9 minutes ago, anchadian said:

BP have reported that that AZ will deliver 1.3m more doses of vaccine this week.

Local Brew ? or Imported.

Chonburi announces 390 new and confirmed cases of Covid -19, a record high driven by Si Racha worker camp

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/06/28/chonburi-announces-390-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-a-record-high-driven-by-si-racha-worker-camp/

24 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Life doesn't work that way

People take care of their citizens first

Human nature

You knew becoming a Thai citizen was next to impossible when you moved here

Live with your choices

Vaccines are coming for foreigners sometime this year

B positive (my blood type also BTW)

☮️

 

According to the current Thai constitution and the agreements Thailand signed with the WTO, Thai citizens and foreign nationals are to be treated equally, period. Not holding up to ones commitments and agreements gives the appearance that the Thai constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on and that signed agreements or treaties with any organization or country mean absolutely nothing.

 

Source: Thailand, is a member of the World Trade Organization. National treatment is an integral part of many [World Trade Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization) agreements. It requires equal treatment of [foreigners](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)) and locals.  Under national treatment, a [state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state) that grants particular rights, benefits or privileges to its own [citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen) must also grant those advantages to the citizens of other states while they are in that country.Together with the [most favoured nation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_favoured_nation) principle, national treatment is one of the cornerstones of WTO trade  law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_treatment

1 minute ago, Cake Monster said:

Local Brew ? or Imported.

Imported.