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The Infectious Disease Association of Thailand (IDAT) is calling on the Thai government to procure mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, instead of China’s Sinovac, citing concerns over the Chinese vaccine’s efficacy against new variants, especially the virulent Delta strain.

 

The IDAT submitted a letter addressed to Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha today (Wednesday), explaining that Sinovac is a whole virus vaccine, which may not be effective against the Delta or other new variants, citing lack of formal research into this type of vaccine, and that previous assessments were made when the Alpha variant was dominant.

 

The whole virus vaccine uses inactivated pathogens to trigger an immune response. Another Chinese vaccine Thailand has imported, privately through Chulabhorn Royal Academy, is Sinopharm, which is another vaccine of this type.

 

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But . . . the brown envelopes are coming much faster and thicker with Sinovac.

1 minute ago, snoop1130 said:

 

The IDAT submitted a letter addressed to Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha today (Wednesday), explaining that Sinovac is a whole virus vaccine, which may not be effective against the Delta or other new variants, citing lack of formal research into this type of vaccine, and that previous assessments were made when the Alpha variant was dominant.

 

Blimey rocking the boat abit with that .. expect a

 " t'was misunderstanding that's all and there is nothing to see here so move along " type clarification in the coming days .. 

Comes from the approach adopted. Either they weren't advised properly or they didn't heed informed facts that virus mutation is unpredictable.

As if he cares. Pretty sure he's had his vaccination (of choice) a long time ago. 

45 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

which may not be effective against the Delta or other new variants,

Thailand has a long long way to go before things are under (real)control. 

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Sinovac looks like junk to me, and it's been shown that it hardly protects you at all compared to the other vaccines.  Plus a story of gunky vaccine showing up.  Yikes!  

14 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Thailand has a long long way to go before things are under (real)control. 

This simple sentence has so much meaning.  

I figure ten million doses every month for an entire to get herd immunity.  They are nowhere even close to this.  

Spurts of five million doses is nothing.  A steady supply needs to be had.  

And they don't even have the workers to administer ten million doses a month.  I think it will be more than a year even if a miracle somehow happens.  Again, time will tell.

the message in the OP is pretty clear and someting many on here have been saying for several weeks - the Chinese vaccines are useless against these new and possibly furure variants - medical experts are telling you this - why are you ignoring them Prayut

I will have to get new glasses. I thought it said Expats and I started laughing. 

Did not see that coming. 

Cracks appearing by the day.

Give it 6 months and Thailand's warehouses will be full to overflowing with tons of this  expiring Chinese rubbish. 

 

 

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There is not enough back handers if we buy other vaccine... 

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Infectious Disease Association of Thailand (IDAT) is calling on the Thai government to procure mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, instead of China’s Sinovac, citing concerns over the Chinese vaccine’s efficacy against new variants, especially the virulent Delta strain.

Ain't going to happen, Sino-something is all they can get hold of..

procuring anything else will take time and money... both of which the government is running out of.

120 days to open the nation is his plan, getting vaccines imported and injected in time will not fit the plan.

 

12 hours ago, smedly said:

the message in the OP is pretty clear and someting many on here have been saying for several weeks - the Chinese vaccines are useless against these new and possibly furure variants - medical experts are telling you this - why are you ignoring them Prayut

No plan B?

Disaster in the making:  if people in the tourist and transportation industries get only Chinese SinoVac shots—word will spread in the west.  Who in their right mind (besides other SinoVac-shot tourists) would visit, knowing the deficiencies of SinoVac?

This piece of "expert advice", sound as it is, comes many months too late. A bit like advising to dredge Bangkok's canals when the roads are already flooded.

16 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Thailand has a long long way to go before things are under (real)control. 

I'm sure this will help. When the new Chinese tourist come here shortly, I hope they test them for Swine flu as well, as there is a big outbreak in china amongst other things that can kill us. But Hey, we need the money.

Is interesting to compare the results of various vaccines in real time. I used the John Hopkins site for data as it has daily cases vs vaccinations, unfortunately does not show percentage of the population for vaccination data. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

So comparing to completely different countries where I just happen to know which vaccine is being used.

Country #1 Israel (don't choke on your weeties) initiated a coordinated and well planned vaccination rollout using Pfizer. Now virtually back to normal ie low daily cases. For reference https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01018-7/fulltext

Country #2 Indonesia, probably more similar to Thailand in climate economics, but a far more advanced vaccination program. Is rolling out as best they can Chinese vaccines and some AZ. No noticeable change in daily profiles for contracting or dying.

Country #3 Thailand. A shambolic response that was supposed to use predominantly AZ and is now buying another 28million Sinovac. There is an option at some point to pay for an alternative vaccine, but you will be raped by the hospitals (TIT).

Personally I will bide my time and get a western vaccine thank you very much. This was done as a comparison, if you wish to see other comparisons, Google or the site referenced are there.

 

Cheers

I suspect the rich and powerful running the government don't care about the average Thai. mrna is the way to go, although you can understanding the thinking behind the AZ vaccine: get a vaccine out as quick as possible thats cheap to produce and can be used for mass vaccination in a pandemic. I have had both AZ shots and it does make you feel unwell after the first shot (also lots of people I know experienced this); wife has had the first Pfzier shot and she had no side effects and science shows the mrna vaccines are much better than the traditional vaccines.

Now is there any true reason why only predominately Sinovac is available in Thailand.  Now which word would be the most accurate, Bribery or Coercion. 

Bit late there Dr. Van Winkle.

 

 

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Infectious Disease Association of Thailand (IDAT) is calling on the Thai government to procure mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, instead of China’s Sinovac,

 

As AZ isn't an mRNA vaccine either, doesn't that mean also shifting away from it and to Moderna/Pfizer? But I bet there is a problem with doing that, isn't there?

Just imagine. Had Thailand made an initial investment in bringing Moderna and Pfizer into the country, instead of the other vaccines, Thailand would now be a Southeast Asian showcase of advanced medicine and patient care. Combine the mRNA vaccines with the initial Covid lockdown success and Thailand would have received the sort of good publicity that no amount of money could buy.

7 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Just imagine. Had Thailand made an initial investment in bringing Moderna and Pfizer into the country, instead of the other vaccines, Thailand would now be a Southeast Asian showcase of advanced medicine and patient care. Combine the mRNA vaccines with the initial Covid lockdown success and Thailand would have received the sort of good publicity that no amount of money could buy.

Not exactly the virus is mutating and many are still getting Covid.  I would not be so optimistic or cofident.

 Sinovac has the lowest efficacy rating and is the most controversial ! Stands to reason, to go with the best (M or P vacc)while I hide out in my Shangri-La moo barn up here in Sakon Nakhon ,waiting for it to arrive! 

Just now, tlandtday said:

Not exactly the virus is mutating and many are still getting Covid.  I would not be so optimistic or cofident.

 

The danger area in which Covid is mutating, it seems to me, is in one locale. India. Delta and Delta Plus do not refer to skymiles. Whatever people want to say about the Chinese (and it was their initial lax response and coverup which went a long ways in making this a worldwide pandemic), their subsequent actions have worked. They may be draconian, but their lockdowns and lockouts seem to be successful. Contrast that with India. That country seems to be turning into a petri dish for Covid. The world should have locked out India, but it's too late now.