that's a criminal negligence to say at least

1 minute ago, animalmagic said:

All of us have done many different jobs in the past where being 'wrong or insufficient', especially to the point where many died, resulted in dismissal or possibly imprisonment.  Why should he be given a second chance?

Because it isn't up to you.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The mutations (of the virus) were something that could not be predicted, which have caused a more rapid spread than last year.

There was no need to predict them, Alpha was discovered in Sept last year, the evidence was in front of your eyes for months, plenty of time to plan for the inevitable.

 

Credit for apologizing but on such an important matter as this then doing so with sincerity and honesty would have more appropriate instead of distracting from their own dismal failures on nearly every decision taken.

 

190 countries joined Covax, a great example of how Thailand ignores whats going on in the world thinking it knows best only to then suffer as a result.

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s National Vaccine Institute (NVI) Director Nakorn Premsri offered an apology to the public on Wednesday for the slow and insufficient national COVID-19 vaccine rollout, saying mutations of the virus were unforeseen,

and this is the so called spokesman for the vaccine rollout???

 

This idiot sounds like he should be selling noodles on the street..

Mutations of the virus were unforeseen?

really????

Any sophomore med student could tell you that viruses always mutate, it's what they do!.

 

What a complete tool this guy is.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand moves to join COVAX to address vaccine shortfall

By Erich Parpart

 

 

Thailand will now join the COVAX programme, the National Vaccine Institute (NVI) said on Wednesday, after holding out from joining the international cooperation framework for months.

 

“Even though we have tried our hardest, the vaccines that we have procured so far are still not enough for the current outbreak situation,” said Dr Nakorn Premsri, the director of the NVI, adding that there had been “many agencies and many regulations involved with the procurement.”

 

To supplement current supplies, “we are looking to bring in second-generation vaccines that are effective against the mutation and we are expecting them to arrive by the first quarter of next year,” he said.

 

Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/30268/thailand-moves-to-join-covax-to-address-vaccine-shortfall/

 

-- © Copyright Thai Enquirer 2021-07-22

 

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Absolute loss of face isn't?

 

Thailand has become yet another "hub".

"Couldn't be foreseen." Utter nonsense.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

“Even though we have tried our hardest, the vaccines that we have procured so far are still not enough for the current outbreak situation,” said Dr Nakorn Premsri, the director of the NVI, adding that there had been “many agencies and many regulations involved with the procurement.”

 

So they didn't buy enough? Or they bought the wrong vaccines?

 

 

But he managed to assign some blame.

 

Resign. You are incompetent.

 

What's to prevent this clown from repeating past mistakes, nothing, or making new mistakes, nothing.

 

 

3 hours ago, G Rex said:

“Covax program to receive donated vaccines” ??

So - not actually planning on ordering or buying any??

Good to see that there is still no ‘organised’ plan out of this!

TiT

Equitable access to covid 19 vaccines is what covax is about . I think Thailand thought this was not required as they expected to produce there own Astra Zenica supply that has not materialised .

1 minute ago, itsari said:

Equitable access to covid 19 vaccines is what covax is about . I think Thailand thought this was not required as they expected to produce there own Astra Zenica supply that has not materialised .

That's an example of another poor decision though right? Astra Zeneca even advised Thailand to join Covax

“saying mutations of the virus were unforeseen” Viruses alway mutate. 
 

Will acquire the vaccines next year. Wonderful. So soon.

This Guy has been at MoPH for nearly 30 year and -- to use a Godfather quote--

 

(he) made (his) bones when you were going out with cheerleaders

 

I don't know enough about Thai Civil Servant structure as to who could fire this guy, but if one of you can find out, you should maybe give him/her a call.

"Unforeseen", "Could not be predicted". In other words mismanaged

14 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

All of us have done many different jobs in the past where being 'wrong or insufficient', especially to the point where many died, resulted in dismissal or possibly imprisonment.  Why should he be given a second chance?

Couldn't agree more, he should have been sacked months ago, not only him, everybody above him in the pyramid. But this is the land of zero accountability, where those who reveal the criminal negligence get imprisoned.

 

And so ironically, remember Yinluck..

Classic Thailand....

 

We'll do it our way, screw common sense, safety or standards. Oh, we can get free vaccines, were in now! 

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/12/03/942303736/how-rich-countries-are-hoarding-the-worlds-vaccines-in-charts

 

"When the pandemic began, rich countries went on a buying spree. Some have even called it "panic buying." These countries started making agreements with pharmaceutical companies to purchase experimental COVID-19 vaccines, even before clinical trials had finished. The details of many such agreements are not public, NPR has reported."

Yes, rich countries spent vast sums of money on vaccines still in development so pharmaceutical companies could fast track research, commit more resources, and perform development steps in parallel instead of sequentially. The results were highly successful vaccines in unprecedented time.

 

However this didn't prevent Thailand and other countries from placing orders as soon as possible.  In fact, the financial commitments by rich countries is the reason other countries have had the option of placing purchase orders for proven effective vaccines since late 2020.  The countries that didn't buy early have no one to blame but themselves.

13655 and 87 deaths

3 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

Not sure you understand how forums work!

 

I think there are many on this forum and perhaps you as well who take the view that all comments have to be critical and that a balanced view is not allowed.

From some of the posts I read about many different subjects one would think that that Thailand is hell and the rest of the world Utopia.

We know that Thailand has handled the situation appallingly but it has been far from perfect elsewhere.

 I take my own country Australia where despite having sufficient vaccines the handling of the Covid situation has been disgraceful and that’s in an advanced developed country.

I often wonder why if people are so critical of everything in Thailand they want to live here.

3 hours ago, smedly said:

you are basically telling me to shut up - right 

 

I've been watching your posts for a while now and concluded you direct your comments mostly at other posters contributing very little to the topic hoping for a rise - well here's my rise 

 

welcome to my ignore list - something I very rarely use so feel "special"

Using that button you give him too much credit,  only someone who is blind or S actually believe in this statement if it was true we wouldn't have the problems that Thailand has now!  " let them do their job "  maybe all the smoke articles coming out of their leaders got him brainwashed?????

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The mutations (of the virus) were something that could not be predicted,

Wow, just wow.

 

Anyone else wants to put their life into Thai healthcare? 

 

They can't even get the blood pressure right before you see a "specialist".

1 minute ago, StevieAus said:

I think there are many on this forum and perhaps you as well who take the view that all comments have to be critical and that a balanced view is not allowed.

From some of the posts I read about many different subjects one would think that that Thailand is hell and the rest of the world Utopia.

We know that Thailand has handled the situation appallingly but it has been far from perfect elsewhere.

 I take my own country Australia where despite having sufficient vaccines the handling of the Covid situation has been disgraceful and that’s in an advanced developed country.

I often wonder why if people are so critical of everything in Thailand they want to live here.

Being critical indicates an interest to improve the situation.Some don't like faults being exposed.

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The countries that didn't buy early have no one to blame but themselves.

So they screwed the thing up big-time. Now what?

The truth is that the Thai government wanted to use Chinese vaccines as a stop gap and develop the capability to produce vaccines for domestic use and export.  In other words, the government gambled that it could control the spread of the virus long enough and develop the manufacturing capability fast enough to make money from the pandemic without too many unnecessary deaths and damage to the economy.

 

The government lost the wager and the Thai people are paying big time.  However I doubt this spokesman would be allowed to tell the truth even if he wanted to.

 

BTW:  Anyone with any sense knows that the mutations didn't prevent the government from buying vaccines earlier.  That is obvious BS.

3 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

" let them do their job "  maybe all the smoke articles coming out of their leaders got him brainwashed?

what other choice do you have?

 

1 minute ago, Pravda said:

Wow, just wow.

 

Anyone else wants to put their life into Thai healthcare? 

 

They can't even get the blood pressure right before you see a "specialist".

I definitely feel hesitant of the idea of someone jamming a stick so close to my brain.It's a bit like letting someone shave me with a straight razor.

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

what other choice do you have?

 

One thing I'm not going to do is lay down and take up the behind!  if criticism is one of my choices on this board then that is what it is going to be.

4 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Wow, just wow.

 

Anyone else wants to put their life into Thai healthcare? 

 

They can't even get the blood pressure right before you see a "specialist".

You must be going to the wrong place for treatment.

In the years that I have lived in Thailand the treatment myself and my family have received has been excellent especially through the private system.

 

Unforeseen? Yeah ok buddy, sure. 
 

Im curious why you wouldn’t join ‘COVAX’ first and then make the statement with attached apology. 

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So they screwed the thing up big-time. Now what?

Admit that they screwed up without offering feeble excuses about mutations, commit to buying as much of the Pfizer, Moderna, and AZ vaccines as possible ASAP, set up a system to distribute and vaccinate as soon as vaccines are delivered, and fire those who's greed and incompetence got the country into this mess.

 

Ideally an election would then be held while all this is fresh on people's minds, but even if that election were held with the predictable results we all know the military and the elites would not let the results stand.

of course mutations were expected and predicted.

what a load of codswallop

47 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

A simple google search entitled 'do all viruses mutate?' will quickly disprove the claim that mutations of the virus were unforeseen.

Thai Red Cross every year offers a new improved vaccination to address 4 of the most infectious new variations (called a quad dose) of influenza. The Thai medical community is well aware that viruses mutate.