Thailand seeks 12 million Sinovac shots for mix-and-match vax strategy

[snoop1130]

FILE PHOTO: People receive the Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine as the Thai resort island of Phuket rushes to vaccinate its population amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, and ahead of a July 1 ending of strict quarantine for overseas visitors, to bring back tourism revenue in Phuket, Thailand, April 1, 2021. REUTERS/Jorge Silva/File Photo

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand will purchase an additional 12 million doses of Sinovac's coronavirus vaccine to try to expedite its rollout, a senior official said on Tuesday, despite concerns over its efficacy against the Delta variant of COVID-19.

 

Thailand's strategy had planned to use mainly locally produced AstraZeneca vaccines but with supply short of the government's target, Sinovac shots are being used in a mix-and-match approach https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailand-starts-tighter-coronavirus-lockdown-around-capital-2021-07-12 to inoculate the population faster.

 

The mass vaccination campaign started in June but the rollout is being hastened by Thailand's worst coronavirus wave so far, which is challenging Bangkok's healthcare system at a time when just 7.3% of the population has been fully vaccinated.

 

Sinovac's inactivated virus vaccine will be used as a first dose and AstraZeneca's viral vector vaccine the second, a mix that officials say protects against the Delta variant.

 

Thailand was the first country to announce it would use this combination.

 

"A first shot of Sinovac follow by AstraZeneca significantly boosts immunity," said Chawetsan Namwat, a senior health official at the Department of Disease Control.

 

Thailand reported a record 239 new COVID-19 deaths on Tuesday, with 7,973 fatalities overall, and is on course to pass the 1 million mark in cases this week.

 

It used the Sinovac vaccine initially for priority groups, medical personnel and the resort island of Phuket.

 

A Thai study carried out on medical personnel from May to July showed two doses of Sinovac offered 72% protection against infection and 98% protection against severe symptoms and death.

 

"The Sinovac vaccine that we used in Thailand is effective," said Taweesap Sriprapasiri of the Department of Disease Control.

 

"Even with new variant, the vaccine is still effective."

 

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[Caldera]

5 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

despite concerns over its efficacy against the Delta variant of COVID-19

Madness. 

[ikke1959]

the commission on the doses are more important than the working of the vaccine.... We'll be rich

[beachbuggy]

37 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

"A first shot of Sinovac follow by AstraZeneca significantly boosts immunity," said Chawetsan Namwat, a senior health official at the Department of Disease Control.

Anyone seen the data proving this please

[john thom]

you've got to be kidding me----   If it's so good why doesn't the government take it-

[Rookiescot]

have they tried mixing and matching with bleach yet?

I do recall someone was touting that idea.

[MrJ2U]

I'm so sick these idiots.

 

"Mix and Match" strategy.

Just trying to get the vaccine numbers up at the expense of people's lives.

 

 

 

When this all said and done I hope the lot are imprisoned for life.

 

Dumbfounded.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by MrJ2U

[MrJ2U]

19 minutes ago, beachbuggy said:

Anyone seen the data proving this please

There is no data.

 

No other country is doing this stupid "Mix and Match" bulls***.

[CartagenaWarlock]

Are they yet publishing any data how many vaccinated  people are getting hospitalized? Or may be the vaccination rate in the population has not reached a level to collect any meaningful data yet. Not sure. Looking at infection rate of UK, USA, and Israel, I am not yet convinced that the type of vaccine really matters. However, CDC claims that 99% in the US hospitals are unvaccinated which, of course, seditionists in the USA dispute.

No vaccine is going to prevent one from getting infected or spreading to others. However, the claim in the USA is now that vaccination reduces the risk of hospitalization and death only not catching the disease or spreading it. 

[Boomer6969]

10 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

However, the claim in the USA is now that vaccination reduces the risk of hospitalization and death only not catching the disease or spreading it. 

Which is a good thing IMHO, so antivaxers can't benefit from my efforts.

[JimGant]

18 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

No other country is doing this stupid "Mix and Match" bulls***.

Quote

Canadian public health officials also defended their plan to offer messenger RNA vaccines as a second shot to people who received a first dose of the adenovirus-based Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. “We have taken some strong decisions that quite frankly, are bearing out,” Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters Tuesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/coronavirus-latest-updates/

Many other countries are showing interest in this approach, as the potential benefit seems to outweigh any potential harm.... What's to lose in this madhouse environment?

Had a Sinovac jab two weeks ago, and will have an AstraZeneca jab next week. Will let you know if I grow a second penis.

[worgeordie]

They love the Sinovac ,must be some very good commissions been

given.

regards worgeordie

[55Jay]

PM and his boys are operating in the open on this vaccine boondoggle.  I get the first order, but after all the blowback and resistance to Sinovac by the population and medical types, they ordered a second batch, and now a third. 

 

Wife was just telling me government announced increase to VAT at some point in the future, up to 10%.  People are already in the streets.   During another lockdown, rising unemployment, virtually no assistance, and then these knuckleheads casually say they plan to increase VAT.   Not even right now, so why even bring it up?   Are they trying to provoke the population so they can "restore law and order" and show who's boss?  What the hell is wrong with these people.

[gearbox]

29 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Are they yet publishing any data how many vaccinated  people are getting hospitalized? Or may be the vaccination rate in the population has not reached a level to collect any meaningful data yet. Not sure. Looking at infection rate of UK, USA, and Israel, I am not yet convinced that the type of vaccine really matters. However, CDC claims that 99% in the US hospitals are unvaccinated which, of course, seditionists in the USA dispute.

No vaccine is going to prevent one from getting infected or spreading to others. However, the claim in the USA is now that vaccination reduces the risk of hospitalization and death only not catching the disease or spreading it. 

The US is less than 99% but still very low....this is the data pre-delta per state:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

 

As it looks like the vaccines fade with time, the percentages probably would increase, but maybe not too much.

 

The Nathon hospital in Samui reported that there have been no symptomatic cases among the vaccinated people in the latest wave there. 

[gearbox]

16 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

They love the Sinovac ,must be some very good commissions been

given.

regards worgeordie

The commissions may play a role but the main thing is that you order with the Chinese and they deliver. I'm pretty sure the government would order 12 mil Moderna shots instead of Sinovac if they are going to be here in a month. In fact I'm very surprised how a relatively small and obscure company like Sinovac is able to fulfill orders so quickly, but the customers have to wait for months for orders with big pharma giants like Pfizer. It could be also that countries like Thailand are tossed at the back of the queue all the time.

[Pib]

26 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

Wife was just telling me government announced increase to VAT at some point in the future, up to 10%.  People are already in the streets.   During another lockdown, rising unemployment, virtually no assistance, and then these knuckleheads casually say they plan to increase VAT.   Not even right now, so why even bring it up?   Are they trying to provoke the population so they can "restore law and order" and show who's boss?  What the hell is wrong with these people.

Every year around this time the govt starts talking do we keeping the VAT at 7% (which it's been at for many years) or raise it back to the standard 10%.  The law says it should be 10% unless extended/waivered at a lower rate annually...I think it has to be done by 1 Oct of each year.    Just the annual talk regarding VAT....that is, it would go to 10% unless the govt extends the lower 7% rate which they will do....like they have been doing for years and years....like below 2019 news release when they approved another annual extension keeping the VAT at 7% for 2020.  Yeap...they been doing the annual extension for years....and will for years to come....they are definitely not going to raise taxes with the economy in COVID shambles. 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Pib

[gearbox]

35 minutes ago, JimGant said:

Many other countries are showing interest in this approach, as the potential benefit seems to outweigh any potential harm.... What's to lose in this madhouse environment?

Had a Sinovac jab two weeks ago, and will have an AstraZeneca jab next week. Will let you know if I grow a second penis.

Leaving aside the health benefits the Sinovac + AZ combination won't save you from the dreaded expensive hotel quarantine in countries like UK and Australia (when it opens).

Also it is not clear what is the booster strategy for this combo...if it is a mRNA vaccine it would be quite a cocktail????

[CartagenaWarlock]

1 hour ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Looking at infection rate of UK, USA, and Israel,

I should have included Chile (mostly Sinvac). The rates of infection per 100K population are similar. May be hospitalization and death rate are different. So, the emphasis now must be on hospitalization and death for each type of vaccines as no vaccines can prevent infection.

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by CartagenaWarlock

[JackGats]

Right now news is coming in that most of covid patients hospitalised or dying in Israel are Pfizer double-jabbed. This maybe partly because Israel has run out of unvaccinated 60+ years-old. All the same, given such sobering news, mixing and matching everything you've got to mix and match is worth a try.

[smedly]

10 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

"A first shot of Sinovac follow by AstraZeneca significantly boosts immunity," said Chawetsan Namwat, a senior health official at the Department of Disease Control.

 

 

A Thai study carried out on medical personnel from May to July showed two doses of Sinovac offered 72% protection against infection and 98% protection against severe symptoms and death.

Publish the study and have it peir reveiwed or your claims are worthless and are seen as another  act of desperation and quite frankly lies 

[smedly]

9 hours ago, JimGant said:

Will let you know if I grow a second penis

I think you've been shafted

[mtls2005]

The regime just can't quit a vaccine their own health professionals have deemed ineffective, and for which those with two doses now need a booster.

 

The lucre is massive with SV, budgeted at a little  ~660 baht/dose, while AZ is closer to 250 baht, and Pfizer was just budgeted at 465 per dose.

 

Someone is making a 1,000X generational fortune on this deal. Someone with extreme power as the deals just keep coming.

 

Given SV is nearly useless I'd almost be happier if they just sole the money and forgot about the vaccine.

 

 

 

 

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

"A first shot of Sinovac follow by AstraZeneca significantly boosts immunity," said Chawetsan Namwat, a senior health official at the Department of Disease Control.

And how does it compare to say two shots of AZ, or a shot of AZ followed by a Pfizer? We have already seen the results of 2x doses of Sinovac, which then requires the very inefficient (nay time wasting, vaccination wasting, and death causing, by delay)  3rd vaccination definitely not of Sinovac....!

Could the Sinovac not be removed entirely from the strategy?

[vandeventer]

26 minutes ago, smedly said:

Publish the study and have it peir reveiwed or your claims are worthless and are seen as another  act of desperation and quite frankly lies 

Everyone that I have seen take these 2 vaccines and most only 14 days apart have been very sick. Most take 2 days off from work but if you take 3 days you need a letter from the hospital where you got the jab.

[smedly]

8 hours ago, JackGats said:

Right now news is coming in that most of covid patients hospitalised or dying in Israel are Pfizer double-jabbed. This maybe partly because Israel has run out of unvaccinated 60+ years-old. All the same, given such sobering news, mixing and matching everything you've got to mix and match is worth a try.

interations between drugs is a study in itself, pick a drug that is used for common conditions that a lot of people take - BP - Antibiotics - Cholesterol - blood thinners etc etc especially newer types and study the drug interactions list for them - some of them are extensive and in some cases dangerous, we already know that some of these emergency use experimental vaccines cause serious health issues and death, nobody has studied the long term effects of any of these drugs let alone what happens when they are mixed,

 

What we know is that sinovac is less effective against the delta variant and there are serious questions being asked about its effectiveness over time (a matter of weeks), so my preference would not be to take it at all - also it is not accepted in western countries.

 

Taking a mix that has not been studied properly would not be my choice either, I would prefer to take either the same proven vaccine both doses with the risk that involves  or none at all and definately not some cocktail that some Thai quack says is ok because he has been told to say it by desperate officials who are trying to dig themselves out of a hole of incompetence, the WHO was very quick to clarify their position on this with very careful wording were they basically said such combinations were ok if proper studies were carried out - I have seen no evidence of that from Thailand - just words 

[TheFishman1]

 The commission for the Chinese vaccine must be getting bigger because they keep bordering the same stuff the tit

[smedly]

9 hours ago, JackGats said:

All the same, given such sobering news, mixing and matching everything you've got to mix and match is worth a try.

That risk and choice is yours to take, but you do make it sound like you are mixing cocktails in a bar to find yourself one that has a taste to your liking .................................. these are experimental drugs being injected into your body that cannot be removed if they don't mix well - too late once they are in and making changes to your bodies chemistry - this is serious stuff

[inThailand]

Even my gf doesn't lie this much. 

[wensiensheng]

10 hours ago, JimGant said:

Many other countries are showing interest in this approach, as the potential benefit seems to outweigh any potential harm.... What's to lose in this madhouse environment?

Had a Sinovac jab two weeks ago, and will have an AstraZeneca jab next week. Will let you know if I grow a second penis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/coronavirus-latest-updates/
 

indeed. However, It seems that most mix and match strategies involve “trading up” with the second dose on the basis that the first dose was of a vaccine offering less protection. Hence, in the article you posted, which I reposted above, Canada is trading up from a first dose of AZ, to a second dose of MRNA vaccine. Thailand is trading up from a first dose of sinovac, to a second dose of AZ.

 

but, if the first dose is of an mRNA vaccine, is anyone using mix and match strategy then? I haven’t read of one. So doesn’t that suggest that the “best” protection is two mRNA jabs and mix and match only comes into play if the first dose was of a less effective vaccine?

 

if so, mix and match is not a desired strategy, it is a compromise recovery strategy to try and make the best of a bad job, because the first dose was not optimal.

[klauskunkel]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

"The Sinovac vaccine that we used in Thailand is effective," said Taweesap Sriprapasiri of the Department of Disease Control.

"It was blessed by a Thai monk." he added.