Could, should double vaccination become an entry visa and renewal requirement

[Someone Else]

21 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

I've been travelling for the past 18 months (restrictions allowing) and it isn't as bad you you might think it is.  In fact, I'll be flying in the next couple days so I'll make sure to tell you how it goes. 

 

15 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

Thank you! But I live here in Thailand so the quarantine for me is not an issue.

If I do have travel out of the country, something I haven't done in over 16 years, I'll make sure to get the best quarantine hotel money can buy.

Stop making things seem worse than then actually are.   

So this travel you've done the past 18 months, whilst referring to EU requirements etc, was all internal in Thailand, and you haven't flown to another country in 16+ years.  Glad that's working out for you.

 

I think everyone understands domestic travel is easy without the same Visa/passport/COE/vax/etc requirements...of course that's not what folks are talking about here.

[CartagenaWarlock]

On 10/10/2021 at 12:55 AM, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

yes, should be law, for societal protection, no opting out, extend it to all vax, esp. for kids, no different to wearing seat belts or bike helmets.sensible limited exceptions of course.  break the law= penalties.

Not an anti-vaxers but this comparison does not apply. One is injecting something into your body and the other is wearing something on your body like a shirt. Not the same. Can be equated with mask mandates but not with vaccine mandates.

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, adexgh said:

We can get back to normal without any mandates, do you believe to your corrupt politician?

You don't even know who my politician is, so you have no idea if they are corrupt. And no, we won't get back to normal without mandates. Too many ignorant and stubborn people.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

Thank you! But I live here in Thailand so the quarantine for me is not an issue.

If I do have travel out of the country, something I haven't done in over 16 years, I'll make sure to get the best quarantine hotel money can buy.

Stop making things seem worse than then actually are.   

Even traveling around the country is difficult. Each province has it's own requirements. Some of which include quarantine. My friends just did this to go back and see their relatives.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

you are just as dead with no seatbelt as with no vax. 

[lucky2008]

2 hours ago, Someone Else said:

 

So this travel you've done the past 18 months, whilst referring to EU requirements etc, was all internal in Thailand, and you haven't flown to another country in 16+ years.  Glad that's working out for you.

 

I think everyone understands domestic travel is easy without the same Visa/passport/COE/vax/etc requirements...of course that's not what folks are talking about here.

The OP is asking if an individual could or should be double vaccinated upon entering Thailand.  And I said, if Asia follows what the European Union Commission has done in regards to it Digital COVID Certificates the answer is, NO.  

It's ridiculous for you all think that only vaccinated people are going to be allowed in. Stop dreaming, it's not go happen.  

At this present time being vaccinated is not be a pre-condition to enter or travel regionally in Thailand. 
 

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

The OP is asking if an individual could or should be double vaccinated upon entering Thailand.  And I said, if Asia follows what the European Union Commission has done in regards to it Digital COVID Certificates the answer is, NO.  

It's ridiculous for you all think that only vaccinated people are going to be allowed in. Stop dreaming, it's not go happen.  

At this present time being vaccinated is not be a pre-condition to enter or travel regionally in Thailand. 
 

Each province has it's own requirements. A few are imposing quarantines if not vaccinated. It's going to be harder and harder for the unvaccinated to live a normal life.

[CharlieH]

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[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Each province has it's own requirements. A few are imposing quarantines if not vaccinated. It's going to be harder and harder for the unvaccinated to live a normal life.

I would disagree,

A business needs all the customers it can get, let's assume 20% (or more) of the world don't get vaccinated. How many business do you think can afford to operate refusing service to 20% of their potential customers? Most business these days are operating on the edge ................

 

I'm totally happy to live without air travel, hotels, entering a bank, shopping Mall or chain store.

I already have my VISA extension until mid-November 2022.

How are 'they' going to make my life harder?

Edited October 13, 2021 by BritManToo

[Someone Else]

15 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

The OP is asking if an individual could or should be double vaccinated upon entering Thailand.  And I said, if Asia follows what the European Union Commission has done in regards to it Digital COVID Certificates the answer is, NO.  

It's ridiculous for you all think that only vaccinated people are going to be allowed in. Stop dreaming, it's not go happen.  

At this present time being vaccinated is not be a pre-condition to enter or travel regionally in Thailand. 
 

I never said only vaccinated people would be allowed entry to Thailand or anything like that, it may surprise you to know my world view extends well beyond Thailand.  Even in a place insanely desperate for tourists like Thailand, the unvaccinated visitors will evidently still be subject to quarantine.  Other countries won't let you in at all.

 

Your choice is to subject yourself to confinement and curtail your freedom of movement while fantasizing about fictitious "rights" and non-sequitur what-ifs.  My choice is to embrace and enjoy the real-world freedoms that "double vaccination" confers. 

 

Just two different decisions with different consequences, I think we can respect each others' choices and call it a day.

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I would disagree,

A business needs all the customers it can get, let's assume 20% (or more) of the world don't get vaccinated. How many business do you think can afford to operate refusing service to 20% of their potential customers? Most business these days are operating on the edge ................

 

I'm totally happy to live without air travel, hotels, entering a bank, shopping Mall or chain store.

I already have my VISA extension until mid-November 2022.

How are 'they' going to make my life harder?

It's not up to the individual businesses. If it was, we'd never had lockdowns and many more millions would be dead.

 

Guaranteed. Vaccinations are becoming a fact of life. The majority are jabbed and getting tired of the ones who refuse for ridiculous reasons. Time to get back to normal.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Someone Else said:

I think we can respect each others' choices and call it a day.

I agree, but some posters don't agree with that.

[CharlieH]

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[ThailandPermanent]

I think the vaccine is great as it's absolutely saved 100,000s/millions of lives

 

I'm also getting my first jab next week.

However, do you guys not think the "preventing onward transmission" thing is a bit overstated and being used to bully people a bit? I'm not convinced it's such a massive variable as some are making out (whereas taking the vaccine is massive for protecting the taker). 

Recent study is interesting on this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full.pdf

"Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching 42 similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating 43 substantially for BNT162b2."

 

Genuine thoughts?

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, ThailandPermanent said:

I think the vaccine is great as it's absolutely saved 100,000s/millions of lives

 

I'm also getting my first jab next week.

However, do you guys not think the "preventing onward transmission" thing is a bit overstated and being used to bully people a bit? I'm not convinced it's such a massive variable as some are making out (whereas taking the vaccine is massive for protecting the taker). 

Recent study is interesting on this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full.pdf

"Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching 42 similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating 43 substantially for BNT162b2."

 

Genuine thoughts?

Well I would not put much thought into it as Articles on medRxiv are not certified by peer review, edited, or typeset before being posted online. All manuscripts undergo a basic screening process for offensive and/or non-scientific content and for material that might pose a health risk and are checked for plagiarism.

 

The final footnote in the article gives this caveat:

 

 

"The views expressed in this publication are those of the authors and not necessarily those of the NHS, the National Institute for Health"

Edited October 13, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, ThailandPermanent said:

I think the vaccine is great as it's absolutely saved 100,000s/millions of lives

 

I'm also getting my first jab next week.

However, do you guys not think the "preventing onward transmission" thing is a bit overstated and being used to bully people a bit? I'm not convinced it's such a massive variable as some are making out (whereas taking the vaccine is massive for protecting the taker). 

Recent study is interesting on this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full.pdf

"Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching 42 similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating 43 substantially for BNT162b2."

 

Genuine thoughts?

The vaccine is massive for preventing onward transmission. As indicated by every credible doctor and scientist.

[ThailandPermanent]

7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The vaccine is massive for preventing onward transmission. As indicated by every credible doctor and scientist.

OK but can you actually provide some papers showing data to support this?

Again, I'm taking the vaccine next month, and would have sooner but had to wait for my age group's turn. So, it's not as if I'm one of these people constantly linking to VAERS and Mike Yeadon.

 

I'm actually genuinely interested in reading up on this, but this is typically the response I get when I try to look for data/papers/numbers on it.

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, ThailandPermanent said:

OK but can you actually provide some papers showing data to support this?

Again, I'm taking the vaccine next month, and would have sooner but had to wait for my age group's turn. So, it's not as if I'm one of these people constantly linking to VAERS and Mike Yeadon.

 

I'm actually genuinely interested in reading up on this, but this is typically the response I get when I try to look for data/papers/numbers on it.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates

 

COVID-19 vaccines appear to help prevent transmission between household contacts, with secondary attack rates dropping from 31% to 11% if the index patient was fully vaccinated, according to a Eurosurveillance study yesterday. The population-based data looked at the Netherlands from February to May, when the Alpha variant (B117) was dominant and the available vaccines were by Pfizer/BioNTech, AstraZeneca/Oxford, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson.

"This finding underscores the importance of full vaccination of close contacts of vulnerable persons," the researchers write. "Further research is needed to determine whether the observed differences between the different vaccines are due to the small sample size or have real public health relevance."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

 

The first study to look directly at how well vaccines prevent the spread of the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 brings good news and bad.

 

The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot.

The findings add to scientists’ understanding of the vaccination’s effect on curbing Delta’s spread, but are “both more and less encouraging”, says Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's not up to the individual businesses. If it was, we'd never had lockdowns and many more millions would be dead.

 

Guaranteed. Vaccinations are becoming a fact of life. The majority are jabbed and getting tired of the ones who refuse for ridiculous reasons. Time to get back to normal.

Speak for yourself, I'm vaxxed and not angry at anyone.

[Scott]

23 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Speak for yourself, I'm vaxxed and not angry at anyone.

I don't get angry with people for not being vaccinated.  I know too many people who aren't that I care about.  I try to encourage those who are hesitant to get one and those who are anti-vaxxers simply aren't worth wasting your breath on.   I have, however, asked a few what kind of flowers they want at their funeral!

 

[Jeffr2]

20 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Speak for yourself, I'm vaxxed and not angry at anyone.

But you post misinformation a lot. All of it anti vaccine and denying the severity of the virus. A lot of angry misinformation.

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

But you post misinformation a lot. All of it anti vaccine and denying the severity of the virus. A lot of angry misinformation.

I don't deny covid, and yeah I'm against the folks preaching how safe this new vaccine is. Especially those who feel we should vaxx for others. You keep up the good fight, got a flight to catch.

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I don't deny covid, and yeah I'm against the folks preaching how safe this new vaccine is. Especially those who feel we should vaxx for others. You keep up the good fight, got a flight to catch.

Would that be still another flight from reality?

Edited October 14, 2021 by placeholder

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Would that be still another flight from reality?

Impressive, you do have a sense of humor.

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

Would that be still another flight from reality?

Considering the websites he posts links, I'd say that you are correct. Sadly.

 

Misinformation is the biggest health threat today. Sad so many fall for it.