Confusion reigns as Thai PM announces end of quarantine and alcohol restart "spoiler"

[TooMuchTime]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

Why don't you just pretend the lockdown is still happening when/if it happens and stay indoors if you are scared?   

He is one of those weird people who like to dictate how others lead their lives.  It is a good thing he is a nobody and has no influence on policy.

It is very odd how the people adamant on forced vaccines are afraid of people not vaccinated for covid.  They don't even have trust in the vaccine they took.

[Blumpie]

If this wasn't confusing it would be abnormal.  

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, steven100 said:

what nobody here realizes or has mentioned .....  It's all a game ,  the PM is dangling the carrot, and he's playing the game.  He will make confirmed announcements when he knows he's correct and winning the game. 

 

 

So what your saying is last night was just a show for the world to see.  That is a very dangerous game to play @steven100 do you not think, or is he setting himself up to be seen as a benefactor and doing just one good thing for the country before he decides to blow the popsicle stand....

[ThailandRyan]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

He's not doing me a favour, I don't want tourist coming yet, until all have been vaccinated. 

 

I thought you were always one to spout how people were starving, needed to work, and this had gone on long enough. Must have been someone else probably.  

[steven100]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

So what your saying is last night was just a show for the world to see.  That is a very dangerous game to play @steven100 do you not think, or is he setting himself up to be seen as a benefactor and doing just one good thing for the country before he decides to blow the popsicle stand....

I still believe the way he releases information and makes decisions is being played out ........   just my opinion

[Cherrytreeview]

27 minutes ago, internationalism said:

there is no way anywhere in the world now that your travel won't come to abrupt stop and serious problems.

Anybody can get infected in the airport, on the plane. 

Getting insurance sorts out financial burden. Lost time, up to 14 days, has to be calculated. 

You seem very good at making sweeping statements.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/travel/UK-travel-restrictions-where-can-i-go-on-holiday-abroad

Think you will find that for UK citizens the destinations mentioned do not threaten to hospitalise tourists.

For the vast majority of people, the risks far outweigh the rewards.

Add in the Thai government's ability to make knee jerk decisions and you have a recipe for disaster.

Far more welcoming destinations than Thailand.

 

[FritsSikkink]

Utter useless again, most tourists won't come with a curfew, no bars and no entertainment.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So what your saying is last night was just a show for the world to see.  That is a very dangerous game to play @steven100 do you not think, or is he setting himself up to be seen as a benefactor and doing just one good thing for the country before he decides to blow the popsicle stand....

Thailand hasn't had a professional politician as PM since the early 2000s. 

[Cherrytreeview]

34 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nothing to be confused about, it's quite clear. 

There's always one.

[Cherrytreeview]

25 minutes ago, James105 said:

Why don't you just pretend the lockdown is still happening when/if it happens and stay indoors if you are scared?   

Let's hope his internet enabling device is broken at that stage or we will get treated to 24/7 Thai propoganda.

[eppic]

38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

One of the more interesting measures I'm keen to know about are families that may want to come. Children under 12 in the UK are not vaccinated, those under 16 only have one shot of Pfizer. 

 

So whats the state of play there? Do they have to quarantine as officially they are not fully vaccinated. If so then a 2 week family holiday is out of the question.

Well, there are confirmed reports for the Phuket litter box of children testing positive upon arrival (but parents not positive) being torn away from their parents and put into hospital while the parents are for forced into quarantine in a different location.

 

The families mentioned included Swiss and Burmese. "Barbaric" was the accurate description of this approach, and this risk is one I absolutely will not take. We escaped Thailand in early July just before the dung hit the fan and no way we return when our child could be ripped away from us (it would take some serious violence to take my child away).

 

Thailand still a 3rd world, barbaric country in many respects.

[tingtong]

Prayuth made his own case regarding the debate about him should or not stay on beyond 2022....

 

 NO!

[Danderman123]

Of course, this must be approved by CCSA and published in the Royal Gazette. 

 

But I suspect that nobody is going to book ALQ, Sandbox or ASQ hotels in November, if they are from those 10 countries and are vaccinated. 

[Chad3000]

If a foreigner tests positive it should be guaranteed that all local insurance will cover it full stop

 

Employer based

Government SSO

Third party insco

 

Every person that enters Thailand should be covered by full minmial insurance that allows 100% coverage at hospitEL for up to moderate symptoms, all tests and evaluations.

 

Barring that - just follow the US model.

 

We farang do not want to be thrust into a hospital with triple tier pricing (retirees most expensive). It's nothing short of prison and damn well the government should realize this despite the authorization nature.

 

I'm still having a fit over that b500 nonspecific tax / slush fund!

[law ling]

These "opening up" speeches are usually given when a country has 70-80% vaxed ~ here is just 30%?

 

I've always taken these announcements as just teasers to desperate businesses to get them pay another month's rent.

[Danderman123]

So... what about fully vaccinated Thais returning to Thailand? Are they exempt from quarantine? 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, WhatsNext said:

The virus is on it's way out with or without the jab, just do like Mexico and a few others, live with it, open the borders and enjoy life.

The scenes I saw of Mexico, burying their dead in mass graves, did not look like enjoying life to me. 

[jacko45k]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

So... what about fully vaccinated Thais returning to Thailand? Are they exempt from quarantine? 

Might depend where they are coming from... one of the 10 countries and fully vaccinated, I would expect so.

[2long]

For me, it's quite clear about the PCRs.

If you test positive before you come, you don't get on the plane!

BUT testing positive when you arrive is just not fair, because you won't be allowed back on a plane and you (or your insurance) will have to pay for 14 or more days in a hospital here, and if you're only coming for 7-10 days your proper screwed. Think about annual leave allowances and return flights etc. Also, this would be bad enough for people travelling alone, but most will travel with family, friends, or love partners.

In conclusion, the 'post-arrival test' is the main killer for the tourist industry, followed closely by the curfew, lack of booze in restaurants, and lack of nightlife.

[Callmeishmael]

I went out to dinner for the first time in months last night.  Of course no beer was served....  but the tea was nice and cold with a good foamy head!  ????

[Gandtee]

If s*** was mud he would be covered in clay!????

 

[edwinchester]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

He's not doing me a favour, I don't want tourist coming yet, until all have been vaccinated. 

 

Surely if only vaccinated and twice tested tourists are allowed into Thailand then the locals have next to zero risk from them. The risk in Thailand is Thais infecting Thais until they all are vaccinated.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said:

What happens if i my covid test, done in Thailand, tests positive?

 

and expanded answer 

 

As I see it Thailand has 2 problems - vaccine rollout and early choice of vaccine 

 

some 32% of the Thai population has been fully vaccinated so they are not quite there yet

 

the early choice of vaccine (sinovac) which likely at least 20% of the 32% have been vaccinated with are now entering a stage were the vaccine is far less protective so will require re-vaccination

 

Other countries in the west rolled out "effective" vaccines much earlier and faster  than Thailand, they are now at a point were the number of infections is less important and are now focused on people getting sick with covid 19 caused by the SARS CoV 2 Virus

 

The actual disease that the virus causes is Covid 19 can cause symptoms that you notice or not and of course you can get quite ill if it is allowed to replicate in big nimbers, that is determined through a test that can again look for the virus in certain quantities "Viral Load" or the antibodies 

Viral Load will determine whether you are infectious with live virus 

 

Vaccines help the body neutralise the virus very quickly in most people "stop it dead" and prevent you from developing the disease known as Covid 19 and stop the Viral Load increasing to a point were you are infectious 

To know if you have already had the virus and your body defeated it without you knowing or without developing a serious illness "The Disease Covid 19" an antibody test can be performed

 

This is how I look upon the whole situation - lets scale it  1-10 with 1-3 being Green and 4-6 being Amber and 7-10 being Red  (and of course other factors like age and general health have an impact and create a group called "at risk")

 

Green  (Fully Vaccinated with effective vaccines)

1 - The virus entered your body and it was quickly removed, you never got infectious or ill which was helped with a vaccine. would test positive for antibodies

2 - The virus entered your body and it replicated slightly you never got infectious or ill which was helped with a vaccine. would test positive for antibodies

3 - The virus entered your body and it replicated in larger numbers you became mildly infectious had mild symptoms again helped with the vaccine. would test positive for antibodies and test positive for the virus if done while you had symtoms and would be classed as having Covid 19 at that time.

 

Amber    (Unvaccinated or poor vaccine administered several months ago)

4 - The virus entered your body and it replicated in larger numbers you became  infectious had noticible symptoms again helped with the vaccine. would test positive for antibodies and test positive for the virus if done while you had symtoms and would be classed as having Covid 19 at that time. But not ill enough for medical treatment

 

5 - The virus entered your body and caused the disease Covid 19 with symptoms, you could be in an at risk group and vaccinated or unvaccinated and got ill enough to require medical assistance

 

6 - The virus entered your body and caused the disease Covid 19 with elevated symptoms you could be in an at risk group and vaccinated or unvaccinated and got ill enough to require medical assistance

 

Red

7 -  The virus entered your body and caused the disease Covid 19 with serious symptoms you could be in an at risk group and vaccinated or more likely unvaccinated and got ill enough to be admitted to hospital

 

8 - Seriously ill with Covid 19 and likely unvaccinated

 

9 - Very seriously ill with Covid 19 and on a ventilator unvaccinated

 

10 - Got extremely ill and died likely unvaccinated 

 

 

So were is Thailand on the above - IMO they are mostly in Amber/Red - a problem of their own making due to vaccine procurement failure and poor choice of vaccine.

 

 

 

[WhatsNext]

19 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The scenes I saw of Mexico, burying their dead in mass graves, did not look like enjoying life to me. 

The past is the past, the present is the present and the number of cases in Mexico today is 8.800 which is lower than in Thailand and that with a much bigger population. Stop scaremongering over past events that don't reflect the current reality. 

 

edit : meanwhile in thailand with only 30% vaccinated we have days again that the death toll on the road is higher than the number of people that die -with- covid. Again look at the UK with 3x more cases than Thailand. The vax works but only for 4/6 moths. 

[smedly]

3 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

The past is the past, the present is the present and the number of cases in Mexico today is 8.800 which is lower than in Thailand and that with a much bigger population. Stop scaremongering over past events that don't reflect the current reality. 

current reality depends on what country you are talking about and other factors - read my above post

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

The past is the past, the present is the present and the number of cases in Mexico today is 8.800 which is lower than in Thailand and that with a much bigger population. Stop scaremongering over past events that don't reflect the current reality. 

People need to learn from past mistakes....to ignore it is foolish.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it..

Stop trivializing.

 

Road deaths have absolutely nothing to do with Covid ad simply using distraction!

[WhatsNext]

Just now, jacko45k said:

People need to learn from past mistakes....to ignore it is foolish.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it..

Stop trivializing.

Stop scaremongering, the virus is on it's way out, if you want to learn from the past then look at the spanish flu that took 2,5 years to go on it's own, this one is much much less problematic and will go on it's own as well. With or without the jab. And again, the current situation in mexico is better than in Thailand, so where am i wrong exactly ? Arguments please.

[chessman]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

When it comes to alcohol the situation is still utterly unclear.

 

About as cloudy as a Pernod and water. 

 

The Thai media interpreted the PM's announcement that alcohol would be allowed in restaurants from December 1st. 

 

But that pubs, bars and nightclubs would only be allowed to reopen.

 

It wasn't stated that the blanket alcohol ban would be lifted for all establishments. 

If Aseannow readers are not sure of the situation, I don’t think the above 5 paragraphs will help the matter. If you’re going to be critical of others for poor communication, check your own work before you publish.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

Stop scaremongering, the virus is on it's way out, if you want to learn from the past then look at the spanish flu that took 2,5 years to go on it's own, this one is much much less problematic and will go on it's own as well. With or without the jab. And again, the current situation in mexico is better than in Thailand, so where am i wrong exactly ? Arguments please.

I do not see 282,227 deaths  relative to 17,800 as better in any way! I doubt the relatives of those lost feel good about it either. 

[WhatsNext]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I do not see 282,227 deaths  relative to 17,800 as better in any way! I doubt the relatives of those lost feel good about it either. 

I am talking about the situation this day, week, month, not what happened before. Why you try to steer the discussion that way when it's clearly NOT ABOUT THE PAST. Sorry for the caps, but your arguments are about as useful as bringing up the 40 million+ deaths of the spanish flu as a reason to not open the borders now. End of discussion from my side, enjoy life.