Pub-like Eateries to Be Closed at Level 4 COVID Alert

[VBF]

4 hours ago, Trip Hop said:

It appears that the UK has assessed the threat level of Omicron and how fast it spreads, acknowledged that it’s in and there’s very little that they can do unless they go into a full lockdown, which the government and a lot of the people don’t want because of all the financial implications to businesses and curbs to individuals freedom. Therefore they have made the call to get on with it with a few restrictions as long as it doesn’t overwhelm the country. 
 

Whether it is the right call is yet to be seen but even if Thailand was to close its borders, at some point it will get in as per the last outbreak via legal/illegal migrant workers and outbreaks will occur. Therefore whilst I appreciate the need to protect the people, I somewhat feel that all Thailand is doing is delaying the inevitable as this will not stop until everyone has been infected to a certain degree and some form of herd immunity is achieved. In the meantime a lot of the people are suffering due to the state of the tourist industry which I can’t see recovering for a long time due the continual rule changes and forced hospital quarantine if you are found to be positive?

 

Therefore I feel this current cycle of bars opening/bars closing is going to be here for quite a while yet, until Thailand is ready to take that big step?

 

I do feel though that they would most probably be in a far better position to possibly take that step if the current administration had acknowledged the seriousness of the virus 2 years ago, possibly joined Co-Vax and got their vaccination program underway far earlier with decent vaccines?

 

And your last paragraph is the real reason why UK is going to get over all this long before Thailand - VACCINATION!!!  Whatever else UK has done wrong (and there is plenty) the vaccination effort has been magnificent.

Edited January 7, 2022 by VBF

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

A balance has to be found between managing the virus and not destroying the economy.

We got an elephant on one side and a huge anvil on the other.......but the see-saw is broken!

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

  This one no different to any other.  

Remind me, when was the last time there were around 6 million, about 10% of the population, on the hospital waiting lists.

[fangless]

3 hours ago, stigar said:

WHO warning today and says people must stop thinking omicron is MILD!!!!!

Please provide a link to the FULL statement where you state that this was published by the WHO!

[Pdavies99]

So was about to book my flight, then Thailand restarted quarantine and now bars closed again!

 

When will they learn, get vaccinated with a decent type ie, not rubbish Chinese water and let Covid run its life out!

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Are they letting people drink alcohol in factories and hospitals then, as that is (by a significant margin) where covid has been spreading the most?   Closing pubs does not "prevent infection" at all, it simply moves it into peoples houses or condo rooms or wherever else they can find to socialise instead.    Your theory is only correct in a strictly controlled environment where the closure of the pub is combined with harsh measures to also prevent people socialising in non pub environments.   Since that has never been the case here (and is nigh on impossible to enforce outside of totalitarian countries such as China/North Korea/Australia) the only thing that is achieved is the destruction of peoples business and increased poverty.  

 

For evidence see April to October 2021 in Thailand where all pubs were closed and covid reached 20,000 a day at its peak several months after pubs were forced to close.   

I believed that the October 2021 surging infection started from super spreader pubs in Thonglor.

 

You should also add prisons, nursing homes as places with high infections together with factories (not too sure about hospitals). These places are better organized to handle outbreaks. They have records of their employees and thus better system to manage an outbreak. Customers walk in and out of pubs making idenfication and movement control impossible once they leave the premise. I agree it is tough for socialising and for business but necessary to mitigate infection from an uncontrollabled sources like pubs and clubs. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Eric Loh
wrong paragraph

[KhunLA]

Pub-like ???

 

Wonder what determines that.

[Mavideol]

On 1/6/2022 at 4:43 PM, snoop1130 said:

Announcing the level 4 COVID-19 alert, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that the level 4 alert was likely to lead to restriction on alcohol consumption because it was a main factor of outbreaks.

and when will these actions will take effect, we need to fill up the  warehouse  555

[robblok]

@chrissables

 

Actually after watching i think the guy is totally on many things. He said Sweden was a succes while its now known it was NOT and that had they tried the same strategy in an other more crowded country it would have been disastrous.

So that kind of shows what kind of guy this is, liberal with the truth and only looking what backs his opinion up even if it has been debunked already. So to be honest I have not much faith in the guy after having discovered this. 

The interviewer got the answers she wanted, that is not interviewing that propaganda. Kinda like watching Trump getting interviewed by a reporter that shares his views.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8

[Danderman123]

Getting back on topic, pubs are not being shut down by CCSA, as far as I can tell.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Danderman123

[Millcx]

23 hours ago, Snig27 said:

What's the bet they are still serving in the Army Club and various ministerial bars without any problem. 

100% They are … Anutin needs to Shower

[Millcx]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

@chrissables

 

Actually after watching i think the guy is totally on many things. He said Sweden was a succes while its now known it was NOT and that had they tried the same strategy in an other more crowded country it would have been disastrous.

So that kind of shows what kind of guy this is, liberal with the truth and only looking what backs his opinion up even if it has been debunked already. So to be honest I have not much faith in the guy after having discovered this. 

The interviewer got the answers she wanted, that is not interviewing that propaganda. Kinda like watching Trump getting interviewed by a reporter that shares his views.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8

Or Lets go Brandon doing the 2 times table

[Millcx]

19 hours ago, robblok said:

Sorry to be logical, its not only logic its the truth.

 

I am not out to rid the countries of bars. But can you deny what i am saying. That once alcohol flows people forget about social distancing and rules and bar owners cant and wont enforce. I mean its the truth.

 

Now if i was an alcoholic or a bar lover I would not be that happy with this logic either because it deprives me of my fun.

 

But it does not change the fact that this logic holds. (unfortunately)

 

I could not care less if bars are open or closed but the logic holds and bars are ideal for spreading covid. 

 

There is a reason why in the west they closed bars and clubs first too. Its not just Thailand. 

 

Many on this forum are here for the bars the girls and are now bored to death. I get it. But nobody likes this. I would have loved for all this to be over and have a holiday with my parents. But with these rules im not letting them come over.

Only thing stopping you getting a holiday is a lying politician and political spoofery … When time is right the magic tablet will appear and your special passport 5555555555555555

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 1/6/2022 at 4:43 PM, snoop1130 said:

...Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that the level 4 alert was likely to lead to restriction on alcohol consumption because it was a main factor of outbreaks.

I've never seen anything until now that "alcohol consumption ... was a main factor of outbreaks."  Such a sad state of affairs and I don't even drink (alcohol or beer).

[petedk]

22 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

And the Gentlemen's Clubs in Thong Lor.

Don't worry about them.

 

They have moved to luxury hoses around here. I have noticed a tremendous increase in "parties" the last month. The super cars and Alphards line up to drop off people at the houses.

[Abakan]

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Getting back on topic, pubs are not being shut down by CCSA, as far as I can tell.

Problem is their definition of pubs and ours.

 

Pub would be English-Irish themed.

 

In which category do the following fall ? Gentlemen's Club, Beer Bar, Gogo Bar, Disco/nightclub. 

So will Insanity be allowed to open and serve chicken nuggets in a crowded place filled with people having Belvedere and Black Label bottles on each table ? Are gogo bars allowed to open with "hostesses" serving club sandwiches ? 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Abakan said:

Problem is their definition of pubs and ours.

 

Pub would be English-Irish themed.

 

In which category do the following fall ? Gentlemen's Club, Beer Bar, Gogo Bar, Disco/nightclub. 

So will Insanity be allowed to open and serve chicken nuggets in a crowded place filled with people having Belvedere and Black Label bottles on each table ? Are gogo bars allowed to open with "hostesses" serving club sandwiches ? 

The point is that, whatever was open in Pattaya before today can stay open. Until they change their minds.

[OishiRefill]

23 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

And the Gentlemen's Clubs in Thong Lor.

Google map link available??

[Whale]

So it's back to sitting in a dark corner with a paper cup?

[OishiRefill]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The question is whether bars will really stop serving alcohol, or simply pretend not to. 

<deleted> no humans other than the most heavily addicted need recreational drugs such as alcohol to maintain their "alive" status. 

 

The pubs and other entertainment places could stay open, albeit with a reduced monthly profit, just to tick over and not go totally bust, while the country goes dry for 6 weeks or something.

 

Instead of messing about categorising different establishments into this or that, food or no food, "pub-like" or "not pub-like".

 

Just ban alcohol already including at 711.

 

Probably be doing many people, especially those that have a hard time avoiding consuming it, a real favour in the long term. 

[josephbloggs]

13 minutes ago, Whale said:

So it's back to sitting in a dark corner with a paper cup?

Everyone has their preferred way of doing it I suppose.

[OishiRefill]

2 minutes ago, OishiRefill said:

<deleted> no humans other than the most heavily addicted need recreational drugs such as alcohol to maintain their "alive" status. 

 

The pubs and other entertainment places could stay open, albeit with a reduced monthly profit, just to tick over and not go totally bust, while the country goes dry for 6 weeks or something.

 

Instead of messing about categorising different establishments into this or that, food or no food, "pub-like" or "not pub-like".

 

Just ban alcohol already including at 711.

 

Probably be doing many people, especially those that have a hard time avoiding consuming it, a real favour in the long term. 

And send plain-clothes enforcers all around the areas of known historical non-compliance, and make sure they (or rather their unit) have the power to revoke whatever type of licence the place has if caught. Enforcers would need to be part of a 'special unit' operating as a team, and they should be assigned to localities/districts which they would not usually visit in their normal line of duty. This would help to avoid local corruption at the Kweng level.   

[Olmate]

4 minutes ago, OishiRefill said:

And send plain-clothes enforcers all around the areas of known historical non-compliance, and make sure they (or rather their unit) have the power to revoke whatever type of licence the place has if caught. Enforcers would need to be part of a 'special unit' operating as a team, and they should be assigned to localities/districts which they would not usually visit in their normal line of duty. This would help to avoid local corruption at the Kweng level.   

Too much raw fish I think! 

[OishiRefill]

8 hours ago, Snig27 said:

I've been asked for my vax certificate three times this week in bars and restaurants and places like Samui have it as a requirement to get their green pass. I've had to show mine often when there. You also need to show it to board a plane etc.

Is that also for domestic Thai flights do you know? By the way I think proof of immunity trumps proof of receiving the injections. Either an antibody test proving immunity OR proof of double-vaxxing should qualify. (1200 baht from thonburi hospital for antibody test).

Edited January 7, 2022 by OishiRefill
to add more text

[BangkokReady]

On 1/6/2022 at 5:54 PM, calbts2 said:

First - where is the scientific evidence that alcohol consumption is a main factor of outbreaks?

Haven't most outbreaks come from places selling alcohol?

[joecoolfrog]

13 hours ago, Dialemco said:

Yes because the horse has bolted nearly 200,000 infections daily officially which probably about 2 to 3 times higher.

And Thailands number is probably 10-20 times higher !

The UK has realised that there is little sense swimming against the tide , no point in further bankrupting a large section of the economy with a doomed impression of king Canute.

Providing the population is adequately vaccinated and boosted , the concensus is that Omicron is not going to lead to huge numbers of fatalities.

[Skeptic7]

To clear up @Broken Recordconfusion...

 

Drinking 2nd pint at Stumble Inn Soi 4 Nana. Everything is WIDE OPEN with beer, booze, billiards and "babeage". Only 7pm and this Soi is off the rails! The way it's supposed to be in Thigh-land. ????????

 

 

 

 

Inside Nana Plaza rockin' with live music.

 

Now at Beer Garden Soi 7 and it's busy. LOW level girls but good music, beer and quite full. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Skeptic7

[Danderman123]

So, are bars closing at 9 pm?

[brewsterbudgen]

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So, are bars closing at 9 pm?

Supposedly, but some places have connections. 

[Broken Record]

43 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

To clear up @Broken Recordconfusion...

Thanks @ Skeptic7, I thought I saw my girlfriends Grandmother in one of those pics, how times have changed.

 

The overweight and aged or just plain desperate Farangs never really change though, they all look the same.

 

Nice update, I haven't had a night out up there for years, and now I have photographic evidence that makes me see what I was missing........enjoy.

 

Seriously, all the best mate, have a good night and take care, say hi to grandmother for me. ????