Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Russia accuses UK navy of blowing up Nord Stream.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/

Yea the Russian army made the accusations with no evidence and here we go yet again, back to the UN Security council Russia goes...................updates from AFP news agency tweets

 

#BREAKING The Russian army on Saturday accused the UK of being "involved" in explosions on the Nord Stream gas pipelines, saying the same British military specialists had helped Ukraine plan a drone attack on Moscow's Black Sea Fleet.

 

#UPDATE Russia said on Saturday that it would raise the Nord Stream pipeline blasts and an alleged drone attack in Crimea, both incidents in which Moscow has alleged British involvement, at the UN Security Council.

 

#UPDATE Russia said on Saturday it was suspending its participation in the agreement that allowed grain exports from Ukraine, blaming alleged drone attacks on Russian ships in Crimea.

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea the Russian army made the accusations with no evidence and here we go yet again, back to the UN Security council Russia goes...................updates from AFP news agency tweets

 

#BREAKING The Russian army on Saturday accused the UK of being "involved" in explosions on the Nord Stream gas pipelines, saying the same British military specialists had helped Ukraine plan a drone attack on Moscow's Black Sea Fleet.

 

#UPDATE Russia said on Saturday that it would raise the Nord Stream pipeline blasts and an alleged drone attack in Crimea, both incidents in which Moscow has alleged British involvement, at the UN Security Council.

 

#UPDATE Russia said on Saturday it was suspending its participation in the agreement that allowed grain exports from Ukraine, blaming alleged drone attacks on Russian ships in Crimea.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that the Russians, as usual, didn’t offer a shred of evidence for that ridiculous accusation. But they are just throwing crazy stuff out there for their deranged base, domestic as well as international, who will swallow anything Putin or the Kremlin say, no matter how farfetched or bizarre. 

[bannork]

One sane voice on RT. Shot down by the deranged.

 

[LosLobo]

Joe Blogs' take on the war not about the economy this time but recent events.

 

Particularly interesting is Putin's latest Q&A propaganda where he states that:

 

Russia was achieving its goals in the Special Military Operation in Ukraine, and

 

The West is denying the sovereignty of countries and nations, their distinctiveness and uniqueness and disregarding the interests of other states.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The UN secretary general has issued a strongly worded rebuke to Russia for “totally unacceptable” nuclear threats and denounced its plans to annex parts of Ukraine as a “violation of the UN charter and of international law”.

Ooh, Putin must be quaking in his boots at that "strongly worded rebuke" NOT.

[rudi49jr]

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin has confirmed that his private army is now also recruiting Russian convicts suffering from serious diseases, such as HIV and Hepatitis C.

 

The war must be going really well for Russia. No wonder they are resorting to terrorist actions like bombing power stations and such. 

 

 

 

[heybruce]

On 10/29/2022 at 12:30 AM, Gweiloman said:

I don’t recall defending any country that invaded another. If you are referring to Russia, all I’m saying is that Russia saw NATO’s expansion as an existential threat and warned NATO numerous times over numerous years about continued expansion. I believe that the US instigated the war in Ukraine as a means of weakening Russia (US has a long history of fighting proxy wars) and if successful, will do the same with China (the writing is already on the wall with granny’s visit to Taiwan).

 

NATO also wants to expand to Indopac. North Atlantic Treaty Organisation; see the irony?

 

My belief is based on observation, common sense and independent research. Unfortunately these researches do not tie in with western narrative and will most likely not be allowed as reference. In any case, most posters on here would just dismiss it as nonsense as it doesn’t suit their narrative either (human nature).

NATO expansion was only an existential threat to Russia's aspirations to expand its empire.  NATO never threatened Russia's borders, while Russia routinely threatened the borders of its neighbors.  That's why the neighboring countries have been eager to join NATO.

 

It that's too complicated, just consider this:  If Russia didn't threaten and occasionally occupy and seize neighboring territory, there would have been no NATO expansion and no need for it.

 

And if that is also too complicated, how about this:  Russia instigated this and other wars by invading neighboring countries.  That's why Russia is bad and NATO is good.

[bannork]

Conscripts' grim humour about the state of their weapons.

 

[Bkk Brian]

For those who say (Russian apologists) that its the west pushing Ukrainians till their last death.

 

86% of Ukrainians say Ukraine should continue repelling Russian aggression despite Russian shelling of civilian infrastructure

That’s according to the sociological survey of the Kyiv International Institute of sociology that was conducted on 21-23 October 2022.

89% of those who chose the Ukrainian language said to continue the fight while 66% of those who chose the Russian language chose the same.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/10/24/86-of-ukrainians-say-ukraine-should-continue-repelling-russian-aggression-despite-recent-russian-shelling/

[candide]

Actually, it comes up the attack in Sevastopol has been made by unmanned surface vessels.

Videos in the linked article

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/30/7374125/

[BarraMarra]

Not surprised this propaganda chip paper is believed its the Russian Broadsheet newspaper..

[candide]

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Not surprised this propaganda chip paper is believed its the Russian Broadsheet newspaper..

If you refer to my post, it was linking the Ukrainian Pravda, not the Russian one.

[BarraMarra]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

If you refer to my post, it was linking the Ukrainian Pravda, not the Russian one.

Pravda is a Russian newspaper.

[tgw]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Pravda is a Russian newspaper.

Ukrainska Pravda

https://www.pravda.com.ua/

 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Pravda is a Russian newspaper.

It's Ukrainska Pravda, and the url is in ua, not ru.

[Gweiloman]

Kerch Bridge got bombed, Ukraine got the sh*t bombed out of them. Didn’t they realise that bombing the ships that escorted the grain ships would also have consequences? Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Kerch Bridge got bombed, Ukraine got the sh*t bombed out of them. Didn’t they realise that bombing the ships that escorted the grain ships would also have consequences? Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

No, they didn't realize that. But only for the negligible reason that Russian warships don't accompany Ukrainian vessels carrying grain:

"Under the agreement, Ukrainian naval vessels will escort the ships carrying the grain. Russia will not attack the warships, or any port infrastructure. Turkey and the UN will inspect the cargo ships to make sure they are not being used as a front to smuggle anything else, such as weapons."

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/87576

[tgw]

15 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Kerch Bridge got bombed, Ukraine got the sh*t bombed out of them. Didn’t they realise that bombing the ships that escorted the grain ships would also have consequences? Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

defending against occupiers on Ukrainian territory cannot be seen as an escalation.

[Slip]

4 minutes ago, tgw said:

defending against occupiers on Ukrainian territory cannot be seen as an escalation.

Never mind that.  As Placeholder showed above Gweiloman's post is pure BS driven by Putin's propaganda.

[rudi49jr]

24 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

Have you been following the war at all? Russia is doing all of the escalating, for instance by raining dozens of kamikaze drones on Ukrainian civil targets every day. Ukraine is just defending itself and their territory, which is a legitimate reason to attack any invading army. Maybe you should think some more on who’s being stupid here.

[Gweiloman]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

No, they didn't realize that. But only for the negligible reason that Russian warships don't accompany Ukrainian vessels carrying grain:

"Under the agreement, Ukrainian naval vessels will escort the ships carrying the grain. Russia will not attack the warships, or any port infrastructure. Turkey and the UN will inspect the cargo ships to make sure they are not being used as a front to smuggle anything else, such as weapons."

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/87576

Nevertheless, the end result is that the grain shipments are disrupted. The countries that have been receiving the grain, be it poor nations in Africa or European nations will now be paying more for the grain. So sad.

[tgw]

4 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Nevertheless, the end result is that the grain shipments are disrupted. The countries that have been receiving the grain, be it poor nations in Africa or European nations will now be paying more for the grain. So sad.

I'm sure you can also tell us who is to blame for that.

 

Hint: ships don't need to pass through Ruzzian waters, because Ukrainian territorial waters connect directly with Romanian waters, direct way to Bosphorus Strait.

Edited October 31, 2022 by tgw

[Gweiloman]

19 minutes ago, tgw said:

defending against occupiers on Ukrainian territory cannot be seen as an escalation.

 

14 minutes ago, Slip said:

Never mind that.  As Placeholder showed above Gweiloman's post is pure BS driven by Putin's propaganda.

 

11 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Have you been following the war at all? Russia is doing all of the escalating, for instance by raining dozens of kamikaze drones on Ukrainian civil targets every day. Ukraine is just defending itself and their territory, which is a legitimate reason to attack any invading army. Maybe you should think some more on who’s being stupid here.

End result, more bombing in Kyiv, leaving more parts without power or electricity. Not a winning strategy for Ukraine but maybe for another country.

[tgw]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

End result, more bombing in Kyiv, leaving more parts without power or electricity. Not a winning strategy for Ukraine but maybe for another country.

far from the end result, on the contrary.

 

For Ukraine and for the whole rest of the world we would call "free", the LOSING strategy would be to accept Ruzzia's invasion and its presence in occupied territories.

 

And taking things even further, we also know that the current Ruzzia can't be negotiated with, because it lies and breaks treaties.

"Hey we don't lie this time and we swear we will keep our word in future too".

Logic, reason and sanity all advise the same course of action.

Edited October 31, 2022 by tgw

[tgw]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Is Ruzzia the new name for Ukraine if  Russia occupies it fully? Not heard of this country before.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ruzzia#English

maybe this is clearer, the two Z are clearly visible:

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by tgw

[tgw]

8 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Wiktionary… I prefer the Oxford dictionary or even Merriam-Webster.

check their next issues, maybe next year or 2024. they aren't the quickest for integrating neologisms.

Edited October 31, 2022 by tgw

[tgw]

18 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You mean like Amerika?

 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/amerika

wow, I'm impressed, nice internet research by the Olgino guys ! took them over 40 minutes though.

as always, my kind salutations to the Olgino comrades.

respect where respect is due.

Edited October 31, 2022 by tgw

[Scott]

Troll posts removed. 

[rudi49jr]

Cracks starting to appear more and more in the ‘home front’.

 

 

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Nevertheless, the end result is that the grain shipments are disrupted. The countries that have been receiving the grain, be it poor nations in Africa or European nations will now be paying more for the grain. So sad.

This isn't physics or chemistry. The result of Ukraine's attack on Russian ships isn't preordained. If it turns out that the end result is no more shipments of grain from Ukraine, the fault is Russia's.