38 minutes ago, Saanim said:

You obviously have missed it. But can we believe it?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

 

 

You mocked Ukraine being a soverign country. In 2019 over 73% of Ukrainians voted for Zelenskyy. Nuff said

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You mocked Ukraine being a soverign country. In 2019 over 73% of Ukrainians voted for Zelenskyy. Nuff said

With 62 % turnout, which is same as the election in Us 2020.

 

73% is a high win percent not many had before him in free elections.

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

With 62 % turnout, which is same as the election in Us 2020.

 

73% is a high win percent not many had before him in free elections.

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

You mocked Ukraine being a soverign country. In 2019 over 73% of Ukrainians voted for Zelenskyy. Nuff said

I did not mock anybody. Neither did I mention any election, nor of Zelensky.  Did you find in the links something about him? 

 

But the links (reputable MSM) are enlightening something about foreign interference in matters of a country, but perhaps it's not true, is it?

 

About high wins in elections we read often different stories: sometimes very favorable, sometimes very lamentable.  Which should we believe?

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-health-europe-c0f2f859296f9f02be24fc9edfca1085

 

watch the video until the end, especially the deniers here

18 minutes ago, Saanim said:

 

I did not mock anybody. Neither did I mention any election, nor of Zelensky.  Did you find in the links something about him? 

 

But the links (reputable MSM) are enlightening something about foreign interference in matters of a country, but perhaps it's not true, is it?

 

About high wins in elections we read often different stories: sometimes very favorable, sometimes very lamentable.  Which should we believe?

 

Just to remind you of what you said:

 

"Quite amused when hearing about "sovereign nation". 

Can a nation be really "sovereign" when some others tell them who should be made a PM and who should get the other functions?  Not speaking about other firm requests, e. g., who to fire..."

 

I clearly stated that Ukraine is a Sovereign Nation, which you mocked. Throw as many links as you want on leaked phone calls it does not change that fact, or do you have an actual point that you can make without going down a rabbit hole of deflection?

 

 

21 minutes ago, Saanim said:

 

I did not mock anybody. Neither did I mention any election, nor of Zelensky.  Did you find in the links something about him? 

 

But the links (reputable MSM) are enlightening something about foreign interference in matters of a country, but perhaps it's not true, is it?

 

About high wins in elections we read often different stories: sometimes very favorable, sometimes very lamentable.  Which should we believe?

you read this, and you will know everything about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

 

there is nothing for Ukraine to be ashamed about.

Shokin is one of the men who benefited from corruption by Russia.

Russia has been corrupting Ukraine's politics since its independence.

Today's war is a consequence of Russia losing it's corrupting grasp on Ukrainian politicians, because Russia is now unable to rig elections and unable to corrupt enough Ukrainian MPs and unable to poison the president, all of which it has done before.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

With 62 % turnout, which is same as the election in Us 2020.

 

73% is a high win percent not many had before him in free elections.

it's a consequence of Russia removing many Russian-ethnic voters from Ukraine's voter base.

27 minutes ago, tgw said:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-health-europe-c0f2f859296f9f02be24fc9edfca1085

 

watch the video until the end, especially the deniers here

Thanks, certainly graphic and awful. I think that girl Mariana was in one of the stills that the these deniers brushed off a couple of days ago - just like the Russian Embassy in London calling the images “fake news” - damn them all.

6 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Providing arms has just added to the slaughter it was a futile gesture and a weak discision of the west. 

The war will just be prolonged to an inevitable end. 

Why don't you just crawl back under your Russian bridge, okay?

Well done to university hospital Southampton and Birmingham children's hospital who helped evacuate 21 Ukrainian children who were  cancer patients Sunday evening from Poland.

French activists seize Putin’s daughter’s villa in Biarritz for Ukrainian refugees. Seize all their properties all over Europe and you could house hundreds of thousands of refugees.
 

https://globalhappenings.com/top-global-news/123795.html

 

 

5 minutes ago, DaveE13 said:

Well done to university hospital Southampton and Birmingham children's hospital who helped evacuate 21 Ukrainian children who were  cancer patients Sunday evening from Poland.

Working to get 120 kids from a children instution to Norway.

 

Use language translator in your browser. 

 

I'm getting so sad to see all these women and children suffer because of the unecessery war.

 

https://www.nrk.no/urix/jobber-med-a-fa-120-foreldrelose-ukrainske-barn-til-norge-1.15886850

I see on sky news the £25 million pound mansion in Belgravia owned by an oligarch has now got Squatters.

It is owned by Oleg Deripaska who was put on the sanctions list by UK government on 10th of March.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Working to get 120 kids from a children instution to Norway.

 

Use language translator in your browser. 

 

I'm getting so sad to see all these women and children suffer because of the unecessery war.

 

https://www.nrk.no/urix/jobber-med-a-fa-120-foreldrelose-ukrainske-barn-til-norge-1.15886850

Unnecessarily caused by a megalomaniac lacking executive functioning, and the fact he had his girlfriend and children/child secreted away before the attack began speaks volumes.

 

1 minute ago, DaveE13 said:

I see on sky news the £25 million pound mansion in Belgravia owned by an oligarch has now got Squatters.

It is owned by Oleg Deripaska who was put on the sanctions list by UK government on 10th of March.

I wouldn't mind Roman Abramuvich Kensington Gardens Gaff. 

3 minutes ago, DaveE13 said:

I see on sky news the £25 million pound mansion in Belgravia owned by an oligarch has now got Squatters.

It is owned by Oleg Deripaska who was put on the sanctions list by UK government on 10th of March.

well they will bring down the tone of the neighbourhood, and unfortunately wreck the place and steal art and valuables.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Working to get 120 kids from a children instution to Norway.

 

Use language translator in your browser. 

 

I'm getting so sad to see all these women and children suffer because of the unecessery war.

 

https://www.nrk.no/urix/jobber-med-a-fa-120-foreldrelose-ukrainske-barn-til-norge-1.15886850

It is Putin's "war of choice"

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/03/10/russia-vs-ukraine-how-does-this-end/

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

well they will bring down the tone of the neighbourhood, and unfortunately wreck the place and steal art and valuables.

I know what a shame ????

4 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Unnecessarily caused by a megalomaniac lacking executive functioning, and the fact he had his girlfriend and children/child secreted away before the attack began speaks volumes.

 

I have taken my time and reading about the Thetsenia war, and it is no good reading! This war will last for a long time. Also read about the Georgia war and both didn't come close to get same exposure as this war, but as horrible as we see now how this escalating for the innocent.

 

 

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It is Putin's "war of choice"

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/03/10/russia-vs-ukraine-how-does-this-end/

We know it is a Putin's choice of war, so never said anything else! What I have been saying or advocating, is a good leader need to know when to put down the weapons to save his woman and children, no matter who's the aggressive invader is! 

 

But that is to late now! To much damage, to much losses on both sides that can be a solution now! 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We know it is a Putin's choice of war, so never said anything else! What I have been saying or advocating, is a good leader need to know when to put down the weapons to save his woman and children, no matter who's the aggressive invader is! 

 

But that is to late now! To much damage, to much losses on both sides that can be a solution now! 

 

 

A good leader should not have invaded in the first place. 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We know it is a Putin's choice of war, so never said anything else! What I have been saying or advocating, is a good leader need to know when to put down the weapons to save his woman and children, no matter who's the aggressive invader is! 

 

But that is to late now! To much damage, to much losses on both sides that can be a solution now! 

 

 

When are you going to stop blaming Ukraine for this continuing war and resultant war crimes?

18 minutes ago, DaveE13 said:

I see on sky news the £25 million pound mansion in Belgravia owned by an oligarch has now got Squatters.

It is owned by Oleg Deripaska who was put on the sanctions list by UK government on 10th of March.

Also one owned by a Russian crook has been taken over by squatters in Biarritz, France.

Now if these thieves of the ordinary Russian's roubles are hiding away on there super yachts, then if the vessel gets into difficulties, like fishing nets puldl across their props, aka Greenpeace's tactics, then should they seek assistance then the SOS should be taken as "Sod of Soviets". ????

4 hours ago, Pravda said:

That guy who offered 1 mil for Putin really needs to up it 100 fold

Cheap at 200 mil.

Putin knows his death would be welcomed by many people. That's why he has personal security at paranoia levels.

IMO it would be poetic justice if he was poisoned.

7 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

A good leader should not have invaded in the first place. 

That's something we all agree on I hope, 

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We know it is a Putin's choice of war, so never said anything else! What I have been saying or advocating, is a good leader need to know when to put down the weapons to save his woman and children, no matter who's the aggressive invader is! 

 

 

 

 

Save his women and children for what?

Stalin killed millions of Ukrainians in 1931-1932 by mass starvation, what makes you think a Stalinist like Putin is going to be more humanitarian?

Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

When are you going to stop blaming Ukraine for this continuing war and resultant war crimes?

You will never understand anyway what I mean by it, especially when there is 100 000 children in care in Ukraine, many of them is now on the run away from the bombs, pregnant women dying, children loosing their parents, bombs wounding innocent every day, Putin do not use one calorie on that matter, he cares about only one thing, kill Zelenskyy, and put a new president alike the one in Thetsenia! 

 

I'm realistic, not an romantic dreamer!

 

You do not like my view on the war, I understand that, but it doesn't help the innocent who always suffer in a war, while others make the move to win this war! 

 

Zelenskyy have gambled on support from NATO and maybe EU, that will not happen, and if it will happen, it will be to late!

 

You blaim me, I blaim you for not seeing the truth! Zelenskyy could have stopped this bloodbath by leaving, and then build the resistant from abroad, and saved life's. 

 

I do not blaim him for his courage, I do not say I'm right, but that's what I believe from my point of view either you like it or not! 

 

Nobody here can claim they are right, since we are not there in their shoes 24 hours day and night!

 

 

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Save his women and children for what?

Stalin killed millions of Ukrainians in 1931-1932 by mass starvation, what makes you think a Stalinist like Putin is going to be more humanitarian?

Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

I see, you read and understand history, and also know today's situation, and how Putin will use genocide to reach his goals?

 

I'm pretty much done arguing about my opinion here, and you guys sitting safe in your couch still continue this deleted conversation even we day in and out see the result! 

 

I promise to leave this tread now! 

 

What I think will not solve the problem anyway! 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You will never understand anyway what I mean by it, especially when there is 100 000 children in care in Ukraine, many of them is now on the run away from the bombs, pregnant women dying, children loosing their parents, bombs wounding innocent every day, Putin do not use one calorie on that matter, he cares about only one thing, kill Zelenskyy, and put a new president alike the one in Thetsenia! 

 

I'm realistic, not an romantic dreamer!

 

You do not like my view on the war, I understand that, but it doesn't help the innocent who always suffer in a war, while others make the move to win this war! 

 

Zelenskyy have gambled on support from NATO and maybe EU, that will not happen, and if it will happen, it will be to late!

 

You blaim me, I blaim you for not seeing the truth! Zelenskyy could have stopped this bloodbath by leaving, and then build the resistant from abroad, and saved life's. 

 

I do not blaim him for his courage, I do not say I'm right, but that's what I believe from my point of view either you like it or not! 

 

Nobody here can claim they are right, since we are not there in their shoes 24 hours day and night!

 

 

I don't like it.

Its caving to total evil.

The west IS helping while at the same time trying to prevent WW3.

8 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Providing arms has just added to the slaughter it was a futile gesture and a weak discision of the west. 

The war will just be prolonged to an inevitable end. 

Let’s just examine this blind obedience to Putin’s ‘right’ to do as he pleases.

 

Ukraine is a sovereign nation and as a sovereign nation has the absolute right and duty to defend its territorial integrity.

 

To do so Ukrainian needs weapons.

 

As a sovereign nation Ukrainian has an absolute right to acquire and deploy any weapons that do not breach international law/treaties/conventions in pursuit of its right and duty to defend its territorial integrity.

 

If a rogue nation illegally attacks Ukraine it is the rogue nation’s illegal attack that is the cause of all ensuing deaths and distruction.

 

If the rogue nation does not illegally attack, the deaths and distraction do not occur.

 

Only a blind obedient to the lies and propaganda of such a rogue nation would argue otherwise.