10 minutes ago, hioctane said:

People just seem oblivious to how the employment system works all over the world. It is pretty much the same all over. 

 

In the US, to work you need a H1B1 visa which is only given to those with sponsorships and in skilled positions. The other way is to become a permanent resident and then you can work anywhere you want.

 

Sure there are many illegals working. However, if you get caught, you get deported. If you are working without a working permit, you get deported.

Yes, I am amazed at how ignorant some people are of the world.  They actually think in other countries you can just turn up and work and only Thailand requires work permits.  Unbelievable.

12 minutes ago, hioctane said:

Sure there are many illegals working. However, if you get caught, you get deported. If you are working without a working permit, you get deported.

If you cough and get caught, you get deported. If you sneeze and get caught, you get deported. If you yawn and get caught, you get deported.

 

Welcome to the United States of America. Land of the Free Deported.

 

 

3 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

we won't be able to afford to live here if that happens. it'll become like Singapore, expensive dull and boring.

Absolutely right , leave things as they are please , really don't want to be living in a pseudo sterile Singapore clone of a place . 

4 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Dang, I had my sights set on a career in Salt Farming.

 

 

 

 

<deleted> I want to be an Issan Rice Farmer.

I'll stick to being a Brain Surgeon much sought after in Thailand. 

9 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

At least you don't really see them.

All those youtubers, it's obvious what they do and it's not to report about your holidays, it's about where they live and a few of them make decent money.

You start a registered business if you make decent money. 

4 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Yes.

 

Plenty of illegal thais in the U.S.

And if you work in Thailand, you can be illegal too.

 

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

I think the government should welcome us more with no hassles to work as volunteers in many areas of Thailand like [ teaching English] or many of the skills that we the retired men and woman have to make this country better.

Sounds great in theory, but the day they say its ok to work as a volunteer, is the day it will be abused. Work for tips, a gift from the employer each week etc.

 

4 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Someone needs to drag Thailand into the 21st century 

One seems to sense this ever-reigning cloud of repressive provincialism with a touch of twisted xenophobia. 

3 hours ago, Doctor Tom said:

Well they can't in the UK, I can't speak for the US

????????????

4 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Yes they are.  You think a Thai person can go on holiday to UK or American and then get a job there or start their own business?  

 

 

It's a bit more complicated than that. On holiday then you're probably right but in the UK at least if you're there on a more permanent basis then you can get a job.  It's a case of are you allowed to work and if you are the you can do almost any job you're qualified for. In Thailand first you have to to be allowed to work but if you are then there are many jobs you aren't permitted to do regardless if you aren't Thai.

With land and businesses it's different again. If you're resident in the UK then you can usually buy land, property and a business as far as I know unlike in Thailand.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

what kind of reality do you live in when you think we are discriminated against for needing to be highly skilled in a specialist industry to be granted a work permit?

No one has mentioned level of skill.  Prohibited jobs to foreigners are prohibited no matter what your skill level.  And what you have listed isn't discrimination and bias.

 

The UK is nothing like Thailand in this regard.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

One of the pros of Thailand is the fact that it is so bent but also cheap and slightly backward.

 

You get into trouble In Thailand and you can pay yourself out of it. This pleasure in western countries is reserved for the entitled and people within a certain position of power.

 

Enjoy it while you can, perhaps even the best days there's have already passed.

 

If they clean up it could end up like Singapore, the world needs a few cheap hedonistic places that are considered 'slightly backward' and perhaps a little old fashioned.

 

A few years there was a Russian women working as a receptionist in a Phuket hotel and upon signing in we had declare the names of anyone else staying in our rooms (Having only just arrived, this had not been arranged yet)

 

The Russian women made it clear that we were not allowed to bring anyone back to the hotel that was not previously signed in, lol

 

 

4 hours ago, RafPinto said:

What's about all those Youtubers?

They come here and start straight away a youtube channel.

They live here and that is their source of income.

 

Work permit???

Yes, they need a work permit.  But, I think banning their activity would be a start. Some are okay, but many are making money exploiting females and Thai people, it is disgusting.  Ban certain activity, if they don't listen then deport.

Hmmm. 

 

There's working, and working legally. Seems to be some confusion about these two things. They are different. 555

 

In the US, Thais are not prohibited from working any job they want, as long as they are legally allowed to work. 

 

* In Thailand, as an American Citizen, I cannot legally work as a clerk in a retail store.

 

* I cannot legally work as a room cleaner in my wife's small hotel in Lat Ya, Kanchanaburi Province (although I can aparently legally be the Manager of said hotel!)*

 

These are both awkward because there's no doubt my wife expects me to pitch in at the hotel, from time to time---!! 555 !!---and I own a small hobby-level Mattress Store that I'm not legally allowed to work in! (Theoretically, not even supposed to sweep the floors or wash the windows.... because that's "work!") 

 

So, of course, I don't ever WORK in these establishments........ (wink wink)........ Never! But my Marriage Visa ALLOWS me to work........ (as long as I have a proper Work Permit, I assume.) (Never looked into it! 555)

 

So, there's working, and working legally. They are not the same. 

 

In Thailand, I can legally work. But there are still jobs I cannot do legally. 

 

In the US, if a Thai person can work legally, they can legally take any job they can get. 

 

(The only exceptions are skilled, employer-sponsored workers who are given a work permit to do THAT job only. Lose that job or quit, and they might be required to go home!)

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* Like my wife would EVER make ME the MANAGER! 555

 

 

 

4 hours ago, RafPinto said:

What's about all those Youtubers?

They come here and start straight away a youtube channel.

They live here and that is their source of income.

 

Work permit???

As someone wrote above, Thailand first needs to be dragged into the 20th century, when they'll realise there's an internet and nasty foreigners are making a living on it by filming Thai people. Once they catch up with that happening, they'll ban it. At the moment, their laws are based largely on 19th century or older occupations.

2 hours ago, milesinnz said:

, full welfare same as any Kiwi born here and after 10 years will get a full NZ pension when she retires.. and then also sponsor family members as well.. you think I can do that in Thailand ?

I feel you may be disappointed with the Thai pension so don't dwell too much on the matter.

12 minutes ago, kimamey said:

If you're resident in the UK then you can usually buy land, property and a business as far as I know unlike in Thailand.

Most of us are on extensions of stay, we are therefore not resident in that sense.  If you have permanent residency here, then a lot of restrictions to working fall away. 

4 hours ago, RafPinto said:

What's about all those Youtubers?

They come here and start straight away a youtube channel.

They live here and that is their source of income.

 

Work permit???

Yeah, a bloody shame. Nail them. 

2 hours ago, milesinnz said:

A Thai person can marry a Kiwi, get into NZ, stay with him for 2 years, get citizenship, divorce him, buy her own house (with the 50/50 split), do whatever jobs she likes, full welfare same as any Kiwi born here and after 10 years will get a full NZ pension when she retires.. and then also sponsor family members as well.. you think I can do that in Thailand ?

Geez! Why doesn't she just get a work permit  and save all that time?

51 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

They actually think in other countries you can just turn up and work and only Thailand requires work permits.

I thought this was about prohibited occupations?  No one has suggested that work permits are unusual or discriminatory.

18 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Hmmm. 

 

There's working, and working legally. Seems to be some confusion about these two things. They are different. 555

 

In the US, Thais are not prohibited from working any job they want, as long as they are legally allowed to work. 

 

* In Thailand, as an American Citizen, I cannot legally work as a clerk in a retail store.

 

* I cannot legally work as a room cleaner in my wife's small hotel in Lat Ya, Kanchanaburi Province (although I can aparently legally be the Manager of said hotel!)*

 

These are both awkward because there's no doubt my wife expects me to pitch in at the hotel, from time to time---!! 555 !!---and I own a small hobby-level Mattress Store that I'm not legally allowed to work in! (Theoretically, not even supposed to sweep the floors or wash the windows.... because that's "work!") 

 

So, of course, I don't ever WORK in these establishments........ (wink wink)........ Never! But my Marriage Visa ALLOWS me to work........ (as long as I have a proper Work Permit, I assume.) (Never looked into it! 555)

 

So, there's working, and working legally. They are not the same. 

 

In Thailand, I can legally work. But there are still jobs I cannot do legally. 

 

In the US, if a Thai person can work legally, they can legally take any job they can get. 

 

(The only exceptions are skilled, employer-sponsored workers who are given a work permit to do THAT job only. Lose that job or quit, and they might be required to go home!)

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* Like my wife would EVER make ME the MANAGER! 555

 

 

 

I wanna know much much  more  a bout the Hobby Level Mattress Store !

All foreign lady boys in Pattaya should be deported immediately! 

States is no different, my Thai niece got a work permit, cost company a lot and her pay was reduced because of it.  But some of what's illegal here is pretty ludicrous..... Never the less rather be here than in the land of Trumpers....

5 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Someone needs to drag Thailand into the 21st century 

 

5 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Once they've been dragged into the 20th century.

 

 

You might not like Thailand so much once it becomes like your home country. 

5 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Someone needs to drag Thailand into the 21st century 

Isn't it b****y  farcical? On the one hand they are actively encouraging people to work here (Digital Nomads etc) and on the other they come up with these ridiculously outdated laws that say that you can't!

 

For example - No 23 - "Peddling"

 

Somebody should tell Norman Tebbitt  (OK  - that was "pedalling" but I'm sure you get my drift!

5 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Yes they are.  You think a Thai person can go on holiday to UK or American and then get a job there or start their own business?  

 

 

Seems to be if you have a work visa you still cant work certain jobs in Thailand .  A work visa in the USA allows to do work any work you qualify for

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

One seems to sense this ever-reigning cloud of repressive provincialism with a touch of twisted xenophobia. 

Pardon? I thought this was an English only Forum! ???? 

7 minutes ago, sambum said:

Duplicated post

 

17 minutes ago, sambum said:

Isn't it b****y  farcical? On the one hand they are actively encouraging people to work here (Digital Nomads etc) and on the other they come up with these ridiculously outdated laws that say that you can't!

 

 

Yeah am sure those that fell back onto digital nomad had their primary choice as basket weaver.

 

Bet they cry themselves to sleep at night.

6 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Someone needs to drag Thailand into the 21st century 

So I will lay off 98 thai workers in my factory in my country because they are not nationals.....

they can return to thailand and their families can starve...  be a burden to the state (they dont care their own people anyways, just their own pockets..)