So I hit a brake checker

[wprime]

So I hit a brake checker today.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECucC1XefI&t=160s

 

The video starts just before impact but you can see the incident which angered him at 2:15 (using my horn to warn him to alert him I was there as his body language indicated he would cut into my path), so he decided the clever thing to do would be to chase after me and cut less than a meter in front of a 2 tonne SUV and brake.

 

Police at Hua Mak station said if I don't agree to do 50:50, they would hold me at fault and fine me.

 

Thoughts? Fair judgement or a case of blame the farang?

Edited March 9, 2022 by wprime

[MJCM]

IMHO.

 

You have a webcam, show it to Insurance company and let them deal with it

[KannikaP]

There doesn't look to be much damage to the bike, so just settle for a couple of thousand. Not worth the hassle.

[lopburi3]

Have the police seen the full tape by chance?  

[KhunLA]

Tough call.  Principle vs ฿฿฿ vs possible Inconvenience.   

 

As above, P = let ins. deal with it.

฿฿฿ = possible increase or no 'no claim' discount on ins renewal

I = if decline 50/50, will they impound SUV till court settled

 

Just watched the 'incident' and IMO, you squeezed him unnecessarily when he was obviously going to pass the car.  He was already on the right side of the white line.  Simply easing off the pedal and being courteous to him would have been better and thought that was a bit rude on your part.  His brake check was just plain stupid, and risky.

[wprime]

Just now, lopburi3 said:

Have the police seen the full tape by chance?  

I showed them a bit and they told him bikes aren't allowed on the bridge but they said what happened before is irrelevant.

 

 

[ChaiyaTH]

You are not a judge. Him driving on a bridge or break checking doesn't allow you to hit him even you knew to avoid it. 50/50 is your outcome.

 

The police be real if they fine the guy for breaking other traffic rules aside of that but TiT.

Edited March 9, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[Banana7]

I recommend to take the 50/50 deal. In my opinion, you are 100% at fault, you hit him from behind, you followed too closely unsafe. You didn't want to share the road.

 

If somebody cuts in front, need to hit him on the side, even a little bit, to make it his fault.  This is based on an insurance adjuster/investigator.

 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Banana7

[FriendlyFarang]

Do you have first class insurance?

Then don't accept any fault and just let them deal with it.

 

Without first class insurance I would probably do the 50/50 deal. Obviously he provoked it and should be liable, but about how much damage are we talking here? Maybe 5000 baht, so 50/50 = 2500 baht, for this I wouldn't go through the trouble of court etc.

[FriendlyFarang]

1 minute ago, Banana7 said:

I recommend to take the 50/50 deal. In my opinion, you are 100% at fault, you hit him from behind, you followed too closely unsafe.

The motorbike clearly cut him off and did break unnecessarily

[Banana7]

Just now, FriendlyFarang said:

The motorbike clearly cut him off and did break unnecessarily

The braking was insufficient.

[MJCM]

3 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

The braking was insufficient.

Would you have been able to stop?? I guess he was less then 1 meter for the car and hit the brakes.

Edited March 9, 2022 by MJCM

[Dmaxdan]

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

Just watched the 'incident' and IMO, you squeezed him unnecessarily when he was obviously going to pass the car.  He was already on the right side of the white line.  Simply easing off the pedal and being courteous to him would have been better and thought that was a bit rude on your part.  His brake check was just plain stupid, and risky.

I couldn't agree more. The best advice to anyone who drives here is to always back off, drive defensively and don't use your horn! 

It is never worth the hassle of getting involved with the local drivers for no apparent reason.

[FriendlyFarang]

I would inform the DLT that a licensed motorcycle taxi (yellow license plate) is riding on bridges where it's not allowed, doesn't have a working rear light, and causes accidents on purpose, this might result in an extra fine for him and maybe a reeducation session on how to behave as a taxi.

Edited March 9, 2022 by FriendlyFarang

[wprime]

  

 

  

Just now, ChaiyaTH said:

You are not a judge. Him driving on a bridge or break checking doesn't allow you to hit him even you knew to avoid it. 50/50 is your outcome.

I didn't make the bridge comment, the police did.

 

I didn't hit him deliberately either, motorbikes cut in all the time, I just expect them to go, I don't expect they'll suddenly brake to a stop for no reason less than a second after cutting in front.

 

Just now, FriendlyFarang said:

Do you have first class insurance?

Then don't accept any fault and just let them deal with it.

 

Without first class insurance I would probably do the 50/50 deal. Obviously he provoked it and should be liable, but about how much damage are we talking here? Maybe 5000 baht, so 50/50 = 2500 baht, for this I wouldn't go through the trouble of court etc.

I have 1st class but I have a perfect record on this car since new so I have a substantial discount that I hadn't wanted to lose.

 

[ChaiyaTH]

1 minute ago, wprime said:

I didn't hit him deliberately either, motorbikes cut in all the time, I just expect them to go, I don't expect they'll suddenly brake to a stop for no reason less than a second after cutting in front.

You drove poorly from the start, including the take over with the 2 cars on both lanes in the beginning. You leave way to little space and invited this accident later on. Som na na for the aggressive driving techniques, be happy he didn't actually get hurt. Driving in TH you should have expected him to do that.

Edited March 9, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[Banana7]

19 minutes ago, MJCM said:

Would you have been able to stop?? I guess he was less then 1 meter for the car and hit the brakes.

Absolutely I would have braked harder. Been many times in same situation. Only reason not be at fault by hitting from behind is that you slide into him, leaving rubber on the road, as the wheels locked. MC had to brake because car in front of him had been braking. MC wanted to follow at a safe distance. I suspect the reason the Police offered you a 50/50 deal is because MC did not signal lane change.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Banana7

[tgw]

do the 50:50 if it's a couple thousand max.

 

you were in the wrong when coming down the bridge - you had plenty of time to brake and why do you think you should honk at overtaking motorcycles? does the road belong to you?

 

the hit from behind is not clear-cut your fault, he veered into your lane without maintaining the safety distance with you, but you also had the time to react but chose not to.
50-50 seems fair.

 

drive more courteously and book it under "lessons learned".

 

you seem to drive too aggressively.

Edited March 9, 2022 by tgw

[ChaiyaTH]

Just now, tgw said:

do the 50:50 if it's a couple thousand max.

 

you were in the wrong when coming down the bridge - you had plenty of time to brake and why do you think you should honk at overtaking motorcycles? does the road belong to you?

technically you were again in the wrong when you hit him.

 

drive more courteously and book it under "lessons learned".

Same when he takes over car and minivan at 1:50 with little space + then he almost pushes the pink taxi on the side to get around the corner.

[Hamus Yaigh]

53 minutes ago, wprime said:

Police at Hua Mak station said if I don't agree to do 50:50, they would hold me at fault and fine me.

I'd say a fair assessment and you got off lightly. You are both at fault and both need to reassess your driving habits. At 2:15 even tho the motorbike was cutting in your path, it looks like you were lucky not to hit him by just tooting and carrying on regardless. Then to not stop and hit him when he 'brake tested' as you say is worse.

[ChaiyaTH]

5 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

At 2:15 even tho the motorbike was cutting in your path.

The motorbike didn't even see him coming, he came back later on because he likely got shocked and angry of being nearly hit, to then actually be hit for no reason.

Edited March 9, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[JonnyF]

Seems you had plenty of time to brake to avoid hitting him. The original beep was pretty aggressive as well you could have just eased off the gas and let him go.

 

The brake check move by him was really stupid, but what do you expect here? It's best to accept you're sharing the roads with people with the mentality of a petulant 13 year old and not get involved. 

 

I'd agree to the 50:50 and take it as a lesson learnt to chill out a bit.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

I wanted to give you the benefit of doubt when I read your description. 

 

Firstly, your driving was atrocious - You bullied a motorcycle out of your path because he wasn’t passing another vehicle as quickly as you were. 

You were approaching slowing traffic when you hit the horn, there was no need whatsoever to drive in that manner and assert your presence over the motorcyclist. 

 

Secondly, the motorcyclists stopping in front of you. You had time to stop, I don’t know how you didn’t (maybe it was the camera angle). 

 

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I think there are many on this forum who may have felt inclined to drag out out of your vehicle and give you quite a hiding for driving in that manner when you hit the horn.

 

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This is not one of those situations where I see a Thai persons poor driving / riding being to blame for an incident. 

 

You caused the incident - You [op] are quite clearly in the wrong IMO. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, wprime said:

I have 1st class but I have a perfect record on this car since new so I have a substantial discount that I hadn't wanted to lose.

Everyone learns some time. 

 

Your impatience at not letting the motorcyclists in front of you to pass the taxi has resulted in a collision. 

 

My only surprise is that if you drive like this regularly you do not face more incidents. 

 

You’re voice sounds calm, but your driving is over assertive as if you drive with the underlying believe that others on the road are an inconvenience and in your way. 

[MarcusL]

I see it everyday, forget the rules, that system doesn't' work here.. Yes, the guy is a moron and probably should of been bounced further, but..... as suggested in comments, 'pay a few bucks & avoid the headache', and be thankful they didn't throw sand in the vaseline! 

Edited March 9, 2022 by MarcusL

[WorriedNoodle]

2 hours ago, wprime said:

Fair judgement or a case of blame the farang?

Fair judgement and count yourself lucky, SUV driver more in the wrong here, driving like a typical hot headed SUV driver. Ease up or you'll have a serious crash one day. The guy on the bike probably wanted to advise you so.

[Wagga]

I would have been ashamed and very embarrassed to have posted that video online. At least now the whole world will know and will forever remember what a clown (driver) you are.

1.27.. you just had to get in front of that bike. Stupid and dangerous driving on your part. Second bike you tried to intimidate was already over the line in front of you in your lane but you just had to squeeze past him, giving him no where to go between that taxi and your "2 tonne SUV" Very stupid and very dangerous driving on your part again. Your reaction time to stopping behind that bike shows you are not the you beaut driver you think you are. I can honestly say (as a bike rider of many years) if you had done that to me [hit me up the <deleted>] you would have been in a world of pain when we stopped. You are a very aggressive cage driver who appears to think you own the road. As someone else stated, you need to calm down and get some manners along with some driver education. You are a freaking idiot and a danger on the roads.

[bobbin]

 

OOOhh..

 

I don't think the OP was expecting this judgement of his peers..

 

There were not so many comments so i read them first, thinking to watch video afterwards.

No need, seeing everyone so far thinks the OP was overly aggressive.

[Olmate]

2 hours ago, wprime said:

  

 

  

I didn't make the bridge comment, the police did.

 

I didn't hit him deliberately either, motorbikes cut in all the time, I just expect them to go, I don't expect they'll suddenly brake to a stop for no reason less than a second after cutting in front.

 

I have 1st class but I have a perfect record on this car since new so I have a substantial discount that I hadn't wanted to lose.

 

I see you from your prior posts on another topic you had a run in with a sugarcane truck a few days ago.. .??? Maybe time to take up walking! 

[WEBBYB808]

3 hours ago, KannikaP said:

There doesn't look to be much damage to the bike, so just settle for a couple of thousand. Not worth the hassle.

Yeah let them keep conning you, it's not worth the hassle.