lost retirement visa, now on overstay

[NativeBob]

Once Mr.X had an overstay of 1175 days (about that) and decided to clear things up. So he went to land border, paid 2K THB to an agent (some farang connected to local IO), entered neighboring country, went to his embassy and claimed he lost passport. Got new one, entered LOS and that cost him something about 15K including 2K bribe, hotel, Embassy charge and daily booze.

But he was young and adventurous fella.

[MrJ2U]

5 hours ago, Joinaman said:

seems he wasnt too bothered and wants around 27,000 baht before he will help, plus overstay fee 

Seems reasonabl.

 

Better than getting kicked out.

 

It's basically 17,000 baht.  That's what they usually charge.  Perhaps you can lend him the money?

 

I know it's not spare change. 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

20 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

Once Mr.X had an overstay of 1175 days (about that) and decided to clear things up. So he went to land border, paid 2K THB to an agent (some farang connected to local IO), entered neighboring country, went to his embassy and claimed he lost passport. Got new one, entered LOS and that cost him something about 15K including 2K bribe, hotel, Embassy charge and daily booze.

But he was young and adventurous fella.

How long ago was that ?

A few years ago you could re-enter Thailand after an overstay without any problems .

   These days its all computerised with facial recognition at immigration . so its not easy just to get a new passport and have your slate wiped clean 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

. so its just easy just to get a new passport and have your slate wiped clean

Think you mean it's not possible to obtain new pp in order to wipe history 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Think you mean it's not possible to obtain new pp in order to wipe history 

Thanks, I misspelled *Not* and edited it 

[NativeBob]

25 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How long ago was that ?

A few years ago you could re-enter Thailand after an overstay without any problems .

   These days its all computerised with facial recognition at immigration . so its not easy just to get a new passport and have your slate wiped clean 

Very long @Mac Mickmanus
Please allow me to correct you: there's no "facial recognition" thingy at all. Whenever they (BiBs) want to play with AI - they submit images to Israeli service which charges some $ per 1.000 pairs. Or outsource it to students to visually "mix'n'match". 

Yet you made a good point - things are not what they used to be

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

Very long @Mac Mickmanus
Please allow me to correct you: there's no "facial recognition" thingy at all. Whenever they (BiBs) want to play with AI - they submit images to Israeli service which charges some $ per 1.000 pairs. Or outsource it to students to visually "mix'n'match". 

Yet you made a good point - things are not what they used to be

I would like to read up on that and how those photos (they take at border crossings work) are used .

   Do you have a link which shows the procedure ?

[Jack1988]

It's always an old friend of mine here ????. It cannot be you? Lol

[problemfarang]

8 hours ago, Joinaman said:

his visa exempt stamp ran out on the 14th. so on overstay

any recommendations for a visa agent that might be cheaper?

hes living in Isaan, but used an agent in Pattaya for many years 

does 27,000 baht sound about right to get this retirement visa back, or could it be done cheaper , because living on the old uk pension means money is tight for him

Thanks

27K seems ok to me. I know a Pilipino 3 years overstay and agency asked 45K from him. If hes sure that the agency can fix it and obviously he doesnt want to leave the country, so go for it 

[JimTripper]

Sounds like the daughter back in the UK is a real deadbeat. Maybe she was not raised well ????‍♂️.

[Mac Mickmanus]

25 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Sounds like the daughter back in the UK is a real deadbeat. Maybe she was not raised well ????‍♂️.

No need to be judgemental and rude about the Daughter . 

His Daughter lives in a one bedroom flat and that is adequate for two people and its quite a chore to even get a property in the UK these days 

[CH1961]

10 hours ago, NativeBob said:

Once Mr.X had an overstay of 1175 days (about that) and decided to clear things up. So he went to land border, paid 2K THB to an agent (some farang connected to local IO), entered neighboring country, went to his embassy and claimed he lost passport. Got new one, entered LOS and that cost him something about 15K including 2K bribe, hotel, Embassy charge and daily booze.

But he was young and adventurous fella.

Your young and adventurous Mr. X fella changed his name and date of birth too? 

Otherwise a new passport does not help. 

 

TBH it's just another barstool hero tale. 

[orchis]

9 hours ago, Joinaman said:

or can he pay at the local immigration office >

not advisable; he can get into more trouble.

[stereolab]

17 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

sounds like old mate might not be able to meet the requirements at a nearby embassy as it seems he's brassic.

But he was not “brassic”enough to fly to the UK, not cheap any more.

[Lemsta69]

30 minutes ago, stereolab said:

But he was not “brassic”enough to fly to the UK, not cheap any more.

return tickets to Blighty cost 800k? wow, that is expensive! /s

[roo860]

8 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Sounds like the daughter back in the UK is a real deadbeat. Maybe she was not raised well ????‍♂️.

 You know nothing about the daughter.

Edited October 28, 2022 by roo860

[BritTim]

I agree that the agent plus the fine is the best solution for now. If he leaves the country and returns visa exempt, that will leave him needing the "conversion" visa and extension which is not going to be much under 27,000 baht through an agent. It could even be more.

 

For the longer term, it would be interesting to see what the status is on the house and car. He may want to look at liquidating his assets and either moving into a cheap rental, or possibly looking for a 20,000 baht per month all board care home. (They exist.) As he declines, his current living situation has the potential for further problems.

 

Returning to the UK, unless he has friends and relatives able to assist, can leave you high and dry. These days, the NHS will not immediately provide anything other than emergency health care. Any kind of housing is very expensive, and even local travel is unaffordable on a low income. Further, if he has spent years in Thailand, returning into the teeth of a British winter is going to be quite a shock to the system. I am healthy for my age, but would not like my odds of avoiding serious respiratory problems if forced back to the UK in winter.

[chalawaan]

19 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

He needs to leave the country and pay the fine at on departure from the country.

Rather than trying to enter the country visa exempt again he should apply for a non-o visa at a nearby embassy and then apply for a new extension.

That embassy visa will force him to do criminal and health checks in his own country? 

What a situation to get yourself into just by not keeping the rules about retirement here front and center. 

 

 

[roo860]

14 hours ago, NativeBob said:

Once Mr.X had an overstay of 1175 days (about that) and decided to clear things up. So he went to land border, paid 2K THB to an agent (some farang connected to local IO), entered neighboring country, went to his embassy and claimed he lost passport. Got new one, entered LOS and that cost him something about 15K including 2K bribe, hotel, Embassy charge and daily booze.

But he was young and adventurous fella.

Which has nothing to do with the guys predicament. Just some story, or maybe fantasy of some anonymous poster.

Edited October 28, 2022 by roo860

[roo860]

30 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I agree that the agent plus the fine is the best solution for now. If he leaves the country and returns visa exempt, that will leave him needing the "conversion" visa and extension which is not going to be much under 27,000 baht through an agent. It could even be more.

 

For the longer term, it would be interesting to see what the status is on the house and car. He may want to look at liquidating his assets and either moving into a cheap rental, or possibly looking for a 20,000 baht per month all board care home. (They exist.) As he declines, his current living situation has the potential for further problems.

 

Returning to the UK, unless he has friends and relatives able to assist, can leave you high and dry. These days, the NHS will not immediately provide anything other than emergency health care. Any kind of housing is very expensive, and even local travel is unaffordable on a low income. Further, if he has spent years in Thailand, returning into the teeth of a British winter is going to be quite a shock to the system. I am healthy for my age, but would not like my odds of avoiding serious respiratory problems if forced back to the UK in winter.

But will be able to claim the full old age pension?

[hotchilli]

20 hours ago, Joinaman said:

hes even talking about not paying and living on overstay, saying what can they do to an old man 

He could do that, live on the sly until he wants to leave the country at some point and pay 20,000 at the airport to do so.

But of course if he falls ill over here or gets picked up by plod he will be in  more trouble.

ie deported, blacklisted etc.

[Lacessit]

20 hours ago, Joinaman said:

i have to agree with you, i think he has at least half the money, but he hates paying for anything and keeps going on about how he only paid 10.000 before

hes even talking about not paying and living on overstay, saying what can they do to an old man 

They can deport him, and first detain him in an IDC. From what I gather, they are not holiday camps, especially for old people.

It's a bad mistake to think the respect Thais exhibit for their own elderly extends to old foreigners.

[ubonjoe]

30 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

That embassy visa will force him to do criminal and health checks in his own country? 

What a situation to get yourself into just by not keeping the rules about retirement here front and center. 

Not for a non-o visa. That is only for a Non-OA visa.

Note that I suggested a nearby embassy or consulate to get the non-o visa.

 

[KannikaP]

20 hours ago, Joinaman said:

because living on the old uk pension means money is tight for him

The 'old' UK pension is around £140 a week, or about Bht 25000. Certainly is tight.

[Old Croc]

It appears he hasn't been able to meet the retirement extension financial requirements for some time and has been using an agent to get extensions. (Perhaps since some Embassies refused to certify income?) 

 

He departed, returned, then overstayed without seemingly being aware of the basic legal requirements for long term stay. Apparently now, he cannot even afford the "dodgy" agent method. Border bouncing also appears to be outside his physical and financial ability.  I wonder if he even has provision for health emergencies. 

 

Incidentally, there are many of us expats in our 70s, and older, who have a very good grasp of the requirements to live here and are also au fait with phone and computer use. Advanced age doesn't automatically beget befuddlement. 

 

In my opinion NancyL has the best plan for his future, although, if he has family ties here prepared to care for him, perhaps the thought of just lying low might work (not recommended).

[Mike Teavee]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

They can deport him, and first detain him in an IDC. From what I gather, they are not holiday camps, especially for old people.

It's a bad mistake to think the respect Thais exhibit for their own elderly extends to old foreigners.

+ he'd have to stay in IDC until he could arrange/pay for his own Deportation flight which costs a lot more than 27K nowadays, especially if he's forced to fly direct (some deportation scenarios insist on you having to do this).

 

(As an aside, I'm sure I read once that Laos will refuse you entry if you're leaving Thailand on an overstay, can somebody confirm)? 

 

 

If he has a long term partner here would getting married offer him any better options in the longer term (I doubt he's going to do any better than the 27K he's been quoted to resolve the current situation).

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by Mike Teavee

[The Fugitive]

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

I agree that the agent plus the fine is the best solution for now. If he leaves the country and returns visa exempt, that will leave him needing the "conversion" visa and extension which is not going to be much under 27,000 baht through an agent. It could even be more.

 

For the longer term, it would be interesting to see what the status is on the house and car. He may want to look at liquidating his assets and either moving into a cheap rental, or possibly looking for a 20,000 baht per month all board care home. (They exist.) As he declines, his current living situation has the potential for further problems.

 

Returning to the UK, unless he has friends and relatives able to assist, can leave you high and dry. These days, the NHS will not immediately provide anything other than emergency health care. Any kind of housing is very expensive, and even local travel is unaffordable on a low income. Further, if he has spent years in Thailand, returning into the teeth of a British winter is going to be quite a shock to the system. I am healthy for my age, but would not like my odds of avoiding serious respiratory problems if forced back to the UK in winter.

Most intelligent, forward-looking and compassionate suggestions. You are a Gentleman!

[JimTripper]

The daughter needs to help out. Tell the guy to call her and ask for a loan. If he refuses, he is skint out of luck.

Edited October 28, 2022 by JimTripper

[stereolab]

On 10/28/2022 at 6:55 AM, Lemsta69 said:

return tickets to Blighty cost 800k? wow, that is expensive! /s

You really need to explain that comment.

[BritTim]

13 minutes ago, stereolab said:

You really need to explain that comment.

His rather cryptic comment was intended to point out that someone able to afford a return flight to the UK does not necessarily have the money in the bank necessary to apply for a Non O visa (over age 50) at an embassy. I believe that is 800,000 baht in the bank. There may be an exception when applying for an e-visa. In the past, those in receipt of a UK state pension could get a Non O visa from the London embassy without needing to show money in the bank. I do not know if that special case exception still exists when applying for an e-visa.