Pattaya: "Popular" British pensioner gunned down on way home after just returning from UK Xmas visit

[MRToMRT]

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Well I might not trust the UK press too much not to embellish a story. 

Agreed :+)

[LennyW]

Anybody seen any update on this today, police were opposing bail at court yesterday cant see any update from that yet?

[Harsh Jones]

18 hours ago, Cricky said:

There is evidence that the Brit got aggressive and violent, hitting the lunatics car.

The lunatic did say in his testimony that his car was hit. And he did turn himself in and is fully cooperating. I don't know why he'd fabricate a little detail like that. The cameras probably have it. I have no reason to believe that didn't happen. And it was a little over the edge. Which pushed the lunatic over the edge.

 

And I agree that its always farangs. Road rage is a national sport in the west. It isn't in Thailand.

 

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic removed

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Cricky said:

He was British and traveled on a British passport. He was born in Walsall

 

Well now, 'Mr Meeseeks/Knowitall' knows very little.

 

And what kind of passport does a troll have? After all, you should know.

[chickenslegs]

30 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Again, it was a direct quote from one involved. He said the Brit hit his car. 

If there's one thing that we can be certain of, it's that murderers always tell the truth.

[Harsh Jones]

Just now, chickenslegs said:

If there's one thing that we can be certain of, it's that murderers always tell the truth.

He seemed to be in an open and truthful mood when he turned himself in. And cameras most likely caught it all. Why would he make up this detail?

[chickenslegs]

Just now, Harsh Jones said:

He seemed to be in an open and truthful mood when he turned himself in. And cameras most likely caught it all. Why would he make up this detail?

He would make it up to try and justify his murder of an unarmed man. AFAIK there is no CCTV of the alleged road rage.

[Woof999]

1 minute ago, Harsh Jones said:

He seemed to be in an open and truthful mood when he turned himself in. And cameras most likely caught it all. Why would he make up this detail?

He shot an old, unarmed man 4 times in the back at a time when he was clearly no longer (if ever he was) a threat.

 

You're trying to apply logic and common sense to later actions of that same "man". I wouldn't believe a single word of what he said without additional proof.

[Adumbration]

It is comforting to see things are slowly getting back to normal.

 

Are there any photos of the close friend and carer from Mukdahan?

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

He seemed to be in an open and truthful mood when he turned himself in. And cameras most likely caught it all. Why would he make up this detail?

You were there when he turned himself in?

It is how he was at the time of the incident that is important, no mention as to whether he was under any influence then, as he had to wait until the morning to hand himself in.  If you have to ask why he might have lied you do not know Thailand... a loud blast from a Scoopy horn got him all wound up... that even sounds ridiculous.  And nothing could justify murder, the shooting of an unarmed man trying to get away. Sounds like a strong case of bigotry and hatred of foreigners. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by jacko45k

[morrobay]

It is imparitive that this case be followed: And if he gets off with less that 15 or 20 years then a very serious letter writing movement to embassy's is in order.

[Cricky]

If you choose to participate in road rage in Thailand you will have a bad day. 

 

Leave your anger at home all you angry guys. 

[smedly]

On 1/9/2023 at 3:44 PM, jacko45k said:

As I said, there is no evidence that happened, only the coward  murderer's statement. You assume a lot. 

I agree, I'm not buying the road rage story

[petermik]

1 hour ago, Cricky said:

 

 

My comments are not a personal attack on you, just an opinion I have.

 

We all have opinions.

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Neil was my good friend for almost 15 years...a retired Railway Track Engineer with vast knowledge of tracking and point systems and he has worked in many countries throughout the world as well as the UK...a vastly experienced man and a very healthy one at that he was not short of money and the lady who was his housekeeper was exactly that and nothing more.....despite what is being claimed.

I am in contact with Neils sister in the UK who in turn is being assisted by the British Consulate here.....some of the stories and comments I have read covering this are absolutely ridiculous.

The only issue I have is having no knowledge of exactly what lead to this tragic episode only two people know this and one cannot answer.....is the killers version of events truthful or is he trying to cast some blame onto my friend....I do not know and no-one else does so I make no comments.

R.I.P. Neil

[CharlieH]

Reported post removed.

[JimTripper]

 

On 1/5/2023 at 10:44 PM, Gottfrid said:

Looks like someone was having an issue.

Being popular is not always safe.

[Cricky]

1 hour ago, petermik said:

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Neil was my good friend for almost 15 years...a retired Railway Track Engineer with vast knowledge of tracking and point systems and he has worked in many countries throughout the world as well as the UK...a vastly experienced man and a very healthy one at that he was not short of money and the lady who was his housekeeper was exactly that and nothing more.....despite what is being claimed.

I am in contact with Neils sister in the UK who in turn is being assisted by the British Consulate here.....some of the stories and comments I have read covering this are absolutely ridiculous.

The only issue I have is having no knowledge of exactly what lead to this tragic episode only two people know this and one cannot answer.....is the killers version of events truthful or is he trying to cast some blame onto my friend....I do not know and no-one else does so I make no comments.

R.I.P. Neil

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

My comments are not a personal attack on your friend, just an opinion I have.

 

RIP Neil.

[CharlieH]

Troll comments, victim blaming, off topic and responses etc all removed.

[Harsh Jones]

11 hours ago, JimTripper said:

 

Being popular is not always safe.

Being an introvert is lower risk indeed

[JimTripper]

1 hour ago, Harsh Jones said:

Being an introvert is lower risk indeed

One can be an extrovert or introvert. The main thing is to not show all your cards. It’s easier if your introverted because you can deflect questions better.

 

Notice how the comments all mention how he was an engineer, not short of money, worked all over for the railroads, etc. Sounds like he was an open book.

 

Many people don’t like that. They get envious, smile to your face, but keep digging for more info rather than going away. They get angry inside the more success you seem to have but act like they like you. Like a kettle that boils over.

[petermik]

8 hours ago, JimTripper said:

 

 

Notice how the comments all mention how he was an engineer, not short of money, worked all over for the railroads, etc. Sounds like he was an open book

The gunman did not know him.....it was a road rage incident....so what has that got to do with him being an "open book" show some respect to someone you know nothing about who has just had his life taken away.

 

idiots are everywhere.

[JimTripper]

2 hours ago, petermik said:

The gunman did not know him.....it was a road rage incident....so what has that got to do with him being an "open book" show some respect to someone you know nothing about who has just had his life taken away.

 

idiots are everywhere.

It could have been anything, road rage or something else.

 

The thing that feels odd to me is the reports on the victims character and how great a person he was. It could be true, it just seems a bit over the top compared to usual reporting.

Edited January 13, 2023 by JimTripper

[Antti]

Anyone know what happened with this case? Was the killer convicted?

[JimTripper]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:03 AM, mikeymike100 said:

Mistaken identity perhaps?

Not necessarily. There are people in every country who will just shoot. Thailand is not immune. Younger guys, thugs, drunks, psycho's...

[zhounan]

When these things happen I would go directly to talk to victim wife/girlfriend.

[jacko45k]

19 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Not necessarily. There are people in every country who will just shoot. Thailand is not immune. Younger guys, thugs, drunks, psycho's...

People who are gun lovers travelling to and from ranges or wherever with a loaded weapon who have not quite had the ultimate gun experience, and covet it!

[petermik]

20 hours ago, Antti said:

Anyone know what happened with this case? Was the killer convicted?

The last information I had was that the gunman was sentenced to 4 years reduced to 2 years as he admitted the crime and co-operated with the police... this was 6 months ago and he was appealing against it which allowed him to be out on bail 😮‍💨

[jacko45k]

16 minutes ago, petermik said:

The last information I had was that the gunman was sentenced to 4 years reduced to 2 years as he admitted the crime and co-operated with the police... this was 6 months ago and he was appealing against it which allowed him to be out on bail 😮‍💨

So running around as free as Thaksin!

Have to wonder if they took his gun off him.

Edited April 16 by jacko45k

[actonion]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:24 AM, RichardColeman said:

If he's on the job, then I think he just lost his job

A Member of our Village Committee  asked that our night Security man be removed  because of sleeping on the job, Security Management said he is allowed to sleep because its night time  !!!...Only in Thailand