Asylum plan 'very concerning' and would break international law - UN refugee agency

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The government's proposed asylum law is "very concerning" and would block even those with a compelling claim, the United Nations refugee agency has said.

The UNHCR's representative to the UK, Vicky Tennant, told the BBC the measure would break international law and was not needed to stop Channel crossings.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has said he is "up for the fight" to bring in the law and overcome any legal challenges.

Labour has said the plans risk "making the chaos worse".

On Tuesday, the government outlined a new law which would effectively ban anyone who arrives via an illegal route from claiming asylum in the UK.

Anyone found to have entered the country illegally will also be blocked from returning or claiming British citizenship in future.

 

The measure is part of attempts to address an increase in the number of people arriving in the UK via Channel crossings each year, which rose from around 300 in 2018 to more than 45,000 in 2022.

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[DaLa]

Presumably there are no other countries in the world  breaking international law. And an illegal act is a 'concern' for the UN ?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, DaLa said:

Presumably there are no other countries in the world  breaking international law. And an illegal act is a 'concern' for the UN ?

So that excuses the UK breaking international law how?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Its the people who abuse the system who ruin it for genuine refugees .

   Its the economic migrants who have cause this clampdown and now genuine refugees will suffer 

[Slip]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its the people who abuse the system who ruin it for genuine refugees .

   Its the economic migrants who have cause this clampdown and now genuine refugees will suffer 

Alright piers morgan.  If I want to hear that sort of nonsense I can watch top gear or james whale.  It's this government which is using refugees and immigrants to attempt to manage their own dismal performance.  They will be gone at the next election.  The only question is how long for.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Slip said:

Alright piers morgan.  If I want to hear that sort of nonsense I can watch top gear or james whale.  It's this government which is using refugees and immigrants to attempt to manage their own dismal performance.  They will be gone at the next election.  The only question is how long for.

Do you think that there should be no immigration controls in the U.K with people just sailing across the sea , arriving in the UK and stay there for as long as they like ?

   The majority of the people arriving on boats were not genuine refugees , they were immigrants who couldn't get visas and evaded going through immigration by arriving in boats ,

   The government is doing its job by enforcing immigration rules

   
 

[Slip]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that there should be no immigration controls in the U.K with people just sailing across the sea , arriving in the UK and stay there for as long as they like ?

   The majority of the people arriving on boats were not genuine refugees , they were immigrants who couldn't get visas and evaded going through immigration by arriving in boats ,

   The government is doing its job by enforcing immigration rules

   
 

Did I say I did?  Otherwise leave off your strawman.

 

Prove it, but meanwhile stop trotting out the daily fail's dogma.

 

No, it's dog whistling.  

 

I hope some of these people will spend time in jail.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Slip said:

Did I say I did?  Otherwise leave off your strawman.

 

Prove it, but meanwhile stop trotting out the daily fail's dogma.

 

No, it's dog whistling.  

 

I hope some of these people will spend time in jail.

OK, so you agree that the UK are correct to clamp down on bogus refugees ?

  Also , I was asking you a question and thus it wasn't a strawman argument .

   12 000 migrants arrived in the UK by boat last year who came from Albania , and Albania is a safe Country and they have no need to flee there and seek asylum in the UK 

[Denim]

On 3/8/2023 at 4:15 PM, Social Media said:

The UNHCR's representative to the UK, Vicky Tennant, told the BBC the measure would break international law and was not needed to stop Channel crossings.

Cool. So what is needed to stop illegal channel crossings and people trafficking ?

 

On 3/8/2023 at 4:15 PM, Social Media said:

The government's proposed asylum law is "very concerning" and would block even those with a compelling claim,

Under the new law, only children, the sick or those at a “real risk of serious and irreversible harm” will be allowed to claim asylum.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/how-uk-govt-plans-stop-migrants-arriving-by-boat-2023-03-07/#:~:text=Under the new law%2C only,remove them in the courts.

Edited March 13, 2023 by metisdead
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[Slip]

22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK, so you agree that the UK are correct to clamp down on bogus refugees ?

  Also , I was asking you a question and thus it wasn't a strawman argument .

   12 000 migrants arrived in the UK by boat last year who came from Albania , and Albania is a safe Country and they have no need to flee there and seek asylum in the UK 

No, I haven't agreed anything.  Stop trying to manipulate what I said.

 

You were using rhetorical devices to present a strawman argument.  Unsurprisingly lots of people see when you do that.

 

The tories (and you apparently) are trying to leverage immigration to deflect from their dreadful performance and disgusting policies.  

 

An election is coming...

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Slip said:

No, I haven't agreed anything.  Stop trying to manipulate what I said.

 

You were using rhetorical devices to present a strawman argument.  Unsurprisingly lots of people see when you do that.

 

The tories (and you apparently) are trying to leverage immigration to deflect from their dreadful performance and disgusting policies.  

 

An election is coming...

The issue here is immigration to the UK and this isn't about the current Governments performance as a whole , that is just deflection .

  So what is your opinion ?

You agree that the UK needs an immigration policy and you also seem to be contradictorily saying that the UK  should allow anyone to enter by boat and avoiding the immigration process of obtaining a visa .

   How the Tories are performing generally is a different issue

   

[Slip]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The issue here is immigration to the UK and this isn't about the current Governments performance as a whole , that is just deflection .

  So what is your opinion ?

You agree that the UK needs an immigration policy and you also seem to be contradictorily saying that the UK  should allow anyone to enter by boat and avoiding the immigration process of obtaining a visa .

   How the Tories are performing generally is a different issue

   

The failure of the present UK government to provide a satisfactory response to the problem at hand is absolutely the issue.  Their other failures simply compound the problem of an incompetent spiteful government lashing out to try and fend off its forthcoming demise.  As for your repeated attempts to put words in my mouth- I have told you to stop already, why would you keep on?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

The failure of the present UK government to provide a satisfactory response to the problem at hand is absolutely the issue.  Their other failures simply compound the problem of an incompetent spiteful government lashing out to try and fend off its forthcoming demise.  As for your repeated attempts to put words in my mouth- I have told you to stop already, why would you keep on?

LOL I am NOT putting words into your mouth, I made a request for you to speak some words by giving your own opinion .

   I asked you what you think , that is the complete opposite to putting words in your mouth and I have only repeated what you have already said .

   The Government has been trying to solve the problem of economic migrants arriving by boat with such measures as immediate  deportation and sending them to Rwanda and this is the latest response .

   Once again you complain that the UK Government failed to implement a satisfactory response and you complain when you do respond to solve the issue .

  Just complaining about everything without offering a solation yourslf 

[herfiehandbag]

53 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK, so you agree that the UK are correct to clamp down on bogus refugees ?

  Also , I was asking you a question and thus it wasn't a strawman argument .

   12 000 migrants arrived in the UK by boat last year who came from Albania , and Albania is a safe Country and they have no need to flee there and seek asylum in the UK 

There is a pressing need - you can make more money in the UK selling drugs and pimping schoolgirls than you can in Albania.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Slip said:

The failure of the present UK government to provide a satisfactory response to the problem at hand is absolutely the issue.  Their other failures simply compound the problem of an incompetent spiteful government lashing out to try and fend off its forthcoming demise.  As for your repeated attempts to put words in my mouth- I have told you to stop already, why would you keep on?

Whatever their failures on other things, stopping channel crossings is not one of them.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its the people who abuse the system who ruin it for genuine refugees .

   Its the economic migrants who have cause this clampdown and now genuine refugees will suffer 

There hasn’t been a clampdown, there’s been an announcement of a clampdown.

 

This Government has failed to control immigration despite having had over twelve years in power to do something about it.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whatever their failures on other things, stopping channel crossings is not one of them.

So why has the Government failed to stop channel crossings?

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The issue here is immigration to the UK and this isn't about the current Governments performance as a whole , that is just deflection .

  So what is your opinion ?

You agree that the UK needs an immigration policy and you also seem to be contradictorily saying that the UK  should allow anyone to enter by boat and avoiding the immigration process of obtaining a visa .

   How the Tories are performing generally is a different issue

   

It’s all about how the Tories are failing across the board.

 

This latest announcement of a flawed policy is merely a distraction from those across the board failures.

 

The Tories are way behind in the polls and are seeking to use immigrants (which they’ve failed to control over twelve years) as a distraction.

 

The only thing the Tories are achieving with this is to play into the hands of the extremist loons of ‘Reform UK’.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

As  UK resident I say we agree 5,000 asylum seekers a year - 2500 women and girls 2500 men and boys. The rest refused. Not 4999 men and 1 woman !

[DaLa]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So that excuses the UK breaking international law how?

Just remind me again what law the UK are breaking. Got it, not to aid genuine refugees.

 

The UK government are being warned that they could be breaking international law by imposing a law that restricts others from breaking the law by entering the UK unlawfully.

 

I spend a lot of time and money obtaining and conforming to the rules of entering another country and indeed also the one I hold nationality. My wife does similar. I am a firm supporter of regulated travel to another country be it either temporary or permanent.

 

I have a problem with illegal activities. Maybe the UN could come up with an answer rather than siding with an illegal activity, maybe have a word with the other member countries that are part of the problem.

[bannork]

So how can genuine refugees, for example Afghanis, Iranians fleeing persecution from their governments, arrive legally in the UK?

[Jumbo1968]

We have ‘donated’ £240 million to France to help stop the boat crossings which have increased and £140 million to Rwanda where not 1 refugee has been sent albeit they can only take 200. It was supposed to discourage boat crossings but it hasn’t, lawyers and hoteliers are making millions. I don’t see this new law changing anything, it’s unfixable, lots of desperate people out there and the system can’t cope them.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, DaLa said:

Just remind me again what law the UK are breaking. Got it, not to aid genuine refugees.

 

The UK government are being warned that they could be breaking international law by imposing a law that restricts others from breaking the law by entering the UK unlawfully.

 

I spend a lot of time and money obtaining and conforming to the rules of entering another country and indeed also the one I hold nationality. My wife does similar. I am a firm supporter of regulated travel to another country be it either temporary or permanent.

 

I have a problem with illegal activities. Maybe the UN could come up with an answer rather than siding with an illegal activity, maybe have a word with the other member countries that are part of the problem.

It’s not for the UN to come up with an answer for the immigration problem that the Tory Government have failed to fix after over 12 years in government.

 

Expecting a Government to obey the law isn’t a big ask.

[bannork]

 You can't claim asylum in the UK from outside the country.

There is no such visa category such as applying for asylum.

Those with sufficient funds could apply for a tourist visa but when in the UK applying for asylum, their claim may be rejected on the grounds of deception.

So there are no legal channels for asylum seekers 

 

 

 

 

[Jumbo1968]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not for the UN to come up with an answer for the immigration problem that the Tory Government have failed to fix after over 12 years in government.

 

Expecting a Government to obey the law isn’t a big ask.

Around 300 crossed the channel in 2016, last year it was nearly 23000, the government just sat back and let it happen.

The old adage closing the gate after the horse has bolted

[Jumbo1968]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

So how can genuine refugees, for example Afghanis, Iranians fleeing persecution from their governments, arrive legally in the UK?

Apply for a visa is the only legal way in their own country as was stated then apply for Asylum when you get to the U.K if the visa is granted.The people who are crossing the channel are paying substantial amounts of money to the traffickers so can well afford the fares.

The majority of visa claims probably would be refused as they couldn’t provide claims they were being persecuted more so the young Albanians even Iranians. The other stumbling blocks would be they are no facilities to apply for a visa in their home country although it can all be done online, if granted they might not be allowed to board an aircraft by their own authorities.

My biggest concern from statistics is the majority of boat people are male and between the ages of 25 to 35 years of age.

Unfortunately genuine refugees haven’t the facilities to even apply for a visa or funds for a channel crossing.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Jumbo1968
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[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Around 300 crossed the channel in 2016, last year it was nearly 23000, the government just sat back and let it happen.

The old adage closing the gate after the horse has bolted

So yes, immigration is a Tory Government failure.

 

Taking back control hasn’t worked out has it?!

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Apply for a visa is the only legal way in their own country as was stated then apply for Asylum when you get to the U.K if the visa is granted.The people who are crossing the channel are paying substantial amounts of money to the traffickers so can well afford the fares.

The majority of visa claims probably would be refused as they couldn’t provide claims they were being persecuted more so the young Albanians even Iranians. The other stumbling blocks would be they are no facilities to apply for a visa in their home country although it can all be done online, if granted they might not be allowed to board an aircraft by their own authorities.

My biggest concern from statistics is the majority of boat people are male and between the ages of 25 to 35 years of age.

Unfortunately genuine refugees haven’t the facilities to even apply for a visa or funds for a channel crossing.

The majority of migrants are always male, no matter what the reason for migration.