NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN

[LosLobo]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If the anti Trumpers on here were to be on the jury, they'd vote to convict even if there was no poof at all IMO.

You and other Trump supporters here seem to have an anathema for facts and evidence as clearly shown in most of your comments here.

 

The suggestion that those who do not support Trump share your disregard for the tenets of the burden of proof is absurd.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

The NY case is more how DT tried to write-off the payment as a legal expense.

Correct. But how many of the ordinary people will understand this important point?

[thaibeachlovers]

53 minutes ago, Can samui said:

I guess you are not a true student of history.

Al Capone, everyone knew he was a murderer, thief and racketeer but he had good lawyers and deniability so they got him for tax evasion. At least they got him.

Difference is that Capone didn't have millions of supporters. The Donald does, and IMO if they proceed with this trumped up case ( pun intended ) they will get unintended consequences they will regret.

[Eric Loh]

In the words of Lord Theodan "So it begins". Fani Willis and Jack Smith to follow.  

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

Many people don't understand that it's not the hush money payments to the woman that are the issue. Those are not illegal. What is illegal and was done by Trump himself is the payments to his fixer Cohen that Trump disguised as payments for legal services that never existed and spread them out as monthly payments. This happened in 2016 during his first run. It was not disclosed what the charges are but they could be for example falsifying business records and campaign financing violations. We'll know soon.

Like you wrote, "Many people don't understand that". And I am sure media like fox "news" will present it like he is prosecuted because he had (or hadn't) sex. This case is just too difficult for those IQ challenged MAGA voters. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Correct. But how many of the ordinary people will understand this important point?

Correct, but how many of the ordinary people will care about the technicalities and will IMO rightly see it as a politically motivated prosecution. This sort of thing is exactly why Trump voters  voted for him the first time.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

well, do you have any actual evidence that it was Trump that put it up ? Or is it blame Trump for anything one of his workers may have done ? 

 

 

Huffpost , Trump Lawyer : 

“I’m not his social media consultant,” Tacopina said. “I think that was an ill-advised post that one of his social media people put up, and he quickly took down when he realized the rhetoric and the photo that was attached to it.”

Is that the same Tacopina that previously said:

 

Trump Lawyer Joe Tacopina Previously Suggested Hush-Money Payments Made To Stormy Daniels May Have Been Illegal

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Like you wrote, "Many people don't understand that". And I am sure media like fox "news" will present it like he is prosecuted because he had (or hadn't) sex. This case is just too difficult for those IQ challenged MAGA voters. 

Do you have any proof that MAGA voters are less intelligent than those that voted for Joe and his sidekick?

How is it going in the world since Joe took over- Afghanistan, southern border, Ukraine etc?

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

That will be nothing compared to the coming Republican DA's filing charges against the Biden family in the coming months. If DA's can now go after presidents as opposed to federal then Biden has some very serious up and coming problems

What DA are you referring to, what investigation even, what Grand Jury… what planet?

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Can samui said:

I guess you are not a true student of history.

Al Capone, everyone knew he was a murderer, thief and racketeer but he had good lawyers and deniability so they got him for tax evasion. At least they got him.

I know that part of history.

But they  didn't have the internet and social media at that time.

And I am pretty sure Al Capone didn't have about 70 million supporters in the USA.

 

I would be delighted if Trump ends up in jail, for any reason. But I am realistic enough to understand that it is not a good idea to upset 70 million people because basically he paid a hooker. Yes, the case is more complicated, but how many of his supporters will understand that and even if they understand it they won't care. They will say: Look at Hunter Biden, why is he not in jail? And, in a way, they have a valid point. 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

well, do you have any actual evidence that it was Trump that put it up ? Or is it blame Trump for anything one of his workers may have done ? 

 

 

Huffpost , Trump Lawyer : 

“I’m not his social media consultant,” Tacopina said. “I think that was an ill-advised post that one of his social media people put up, and he quickly took down when he realized the rhetoric and the photo that was attached to it.”

Feel free to take that to the judge, after all Trump is now going to be put before a Judge.

[Bangkok Barry]

Can someone point out to Trump that charges against him are nothing to do with politics, but with his alleged criminal activity. He doesn't appear to understand that.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I encourage Trump supporters to go out and protest, break the law even.  More Trump supporters in jail would actually Make America Great Again.

Do you have anything of relevance to say on the subject?

 

Stop press- just heard on radio news. Someone in CNN ( didn't catch the name ) said that this case may help Trump politically. That it came from CNN shows that it has to be a consideration.

Unintended consequences and all that, LOL.

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

OK, look I like Trump but if he is guilty of anything then he should be prosecuted.

Despite.... Hmm?

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" 
Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
"A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of <deleted>. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
'My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a <deleted> was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We don’t yet know what the NY indictments are, they’ve not been unsealed.

 

Feel free to imagine anything you like that offers you comfort.

I predict it's the Stormy Daniels payments.

 

What do you think it is?

[OneMoreFarang]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you have any proof that MAGA voters are less intelligent than those that voted for Joe and his sidekick?

I thought that is obvious.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I thought that is obvious.

 

LOL. I'm sure that if I wanted to I could find a few less than flattering pictures of Joe supporters.

[OneMoreFarang]

6 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Can someone point out to Trump that charges against him are nothing to do with politics, but with his alleged criminal activity. He doesn't appear to understand that.

Unfortunately that is not entirely true.

I am pretty sure if Trump would not be such a public dividing figure then nobody would care about that little (maybe) case. 

This is only a very prominent case now because he is a presidential candidate for 2024.

That doesn't mean he is innocent. But how many complicated cases like that are running again other people? I guess very few. 

[Jingthing]

Trump faces more than 30 charges related to business fraud.

 

Makes sense for the greatest grifter con man the world has ever seen.

 

Georgia is next.

 

Then the  DOJ

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Jingthing

[RocketDog]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Next up is his surrender, arraignment and arrest.

 

Finger printing and mug shots.

 

Then he gets put before a judge, the indictments are read and recorded and bail set.

 

The prosecution will have the opportunity to make arguments and present evidence for bail conditions.

 

Exhibit ‘A’ your honor, the accused’s social media posts intimidating the NYDA.

 

Trump is for the very first time in his life facing the authority of the Justice system.

 

He’s not going to enjoy this one bit.

 

I wonder, the mug shots, surely of genuine public interest.

 

 

 

It will be an instant 'classic' photo and will be in countless history books as well as enjoying a position of prominence on my living room wall.

It should be in every classroom as well as a reminder of how close America came to authoritarian rule.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Unfortunately that is not entirely true.

I am pretty sure if Trump would not be such a public dividing figure then nobody would care about that little (maybe) case. 

This is only a very prominent case now because he is a presidential candidate for 2024.

That doesn't mean he is innocent. But how many complicated cases like that are running again other people? I guess very few. 

I gave that a thumbs up.

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I'm sure that if I wanted to I could find a few less than flattering pictures of Joe supporters.

I am sure you would find one. But maybe you would have to scroll some way down. With Trump, take 10 random pictures of his supporters and you end up with 9 pictures like above. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

3 hours ago, JohnOFphon said:

Leavenworth 2023....

Leavenworth is a Federal pen. He's up on state charges in NY, so it will be Sing Sing.

[KhunLA]

A new low for USA politics.  3rd world tactics.

 

If you think you can't beat the opposition at election time, have them arrested.  ????

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Can samui said:

I guess you are not a true student of history.

Al Capone, everyone knew he was a murderer, thief and racketeer but he had good lawyers and deniability so they got him for tax evasion. At least they got him.

There's lots of stories like this in US criminal history.  Another legend of the past (before my time, but I first heard about when I was a kid) was a notorious crime boss/labor union bigshot who they brought down for wearing a stolen wristwatch.  Best stick with a cheap Timex was my lesson learned there. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

I hope and indeed expect that the judge will order the twice impeached Florida man to muzzle any speech or social media that can even remotely be seen as inciting or predicting violence. Violation would mean contempt of court charges.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I predict it's the Stormy Daniels payments.

 

What do you think it is?

I’m happy to wait and see.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Leavenworth is a Federal pen. He's up on state charges in NY, so it will be Sing Sing.

How many millionaires convicted of paying off a prostitute end up in Sing Sing? Asking for a friend.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I hope and indeed expect that the judge will order the twice impeached Florida man to muzzle any speech or social media that can even remotely be seen as inciting or predicting violence. Violation would mean contempt of court charges.

 

 

 

And no "Bail to the Chief".

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m happy to wait and see.

In other words, you also know it's about the Stormy Daniels payments ????.