Nationwide Milk Shortage

[wombat]

15 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

They are on strike........bitter angry white male milk drinkers accuse them of cancel culture-Woke

Putting nappies on them was the straw that broke them moo cows back so I've been told 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by wombat

[Victor Laszlo]

Thank heavens ham and cheese toasties are still available. 

[KhunBENQ]

18 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

We went through a period like this about 9 or 10 months ago when there was some industry wide issues and many cows were put down.  I believe it was from Lumpy Skin Disease.

I remember periods of shortage. The first was simply from the 2011 floods. Transport hindered.

For other periods I can't tell the reason. 

Granddaughter brought a 2l Meji full fat yesterday.

Will use it thrifty ????

[john smith]

Pasteurization kills TB bacteria. Drinking milk from the farmer that has not been treated is certainly risky. In England the vector is the badger but it can effect all mammals and be transmitted  by them.Bovine tuberculosis is very common in this part of the world and so is human Tuberculosis . Here it is found mostly in the Northern parts of Thailand adjacent to Laos , Burma, and Cambodia 

[brianthainess]

Maybe the Tanker of milk is delayed, though lack of a driving team, who got shot. just saying.

[ChipButty]

been going on for a while here in phuket 

[EVENKEEL]

15 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

“In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.

 

Are you sick, have constant diarehea, want to vomit and feel unwell?  Seems like it can actually kill someone.

Seems an insane risk to save a few bucks

I grew up drinking raw milk, we had a small dairy. So much for science.

[EVENKEEL]

Cottage cheese is missing. Terrible hardship.

[sungod]

Always keep some UHT stocks for contingency.

[Cricky]

19 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I bought some an hour ago Pattaya Nua.  Has a blue label.

Most have blue labels

[connda]

16 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

“In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.

 

Are you sick, have constant diarehea, want to vomit and feel unwell?  Seems like it can actually kill someone.

Seems an insane risk to save a few bucks

The Western "super-clean" germaphobic mindset actually creates the situation for most Westerner's having a rather weak and unchallenged immune system.  I'd say most Westerners suffer from GI issues after a short stay in Thailand due to their body's not having ever been challenged by a broad spectrum of bacteria. 
A good example is in James Herriot's books where he talks about the "knacker's kids" being some of the healthiest kids in his village.  Why?  Constantly around animal carcasses which is a bacteria-rich environment.

I drank raw milk in England as a kid back in the 50s.  My guess is that my immune system has already imprinted most of the microbes found in milk.  It's not that raw milk is inherently dangerous, it's that a Western lifestyle where everything is so freaking processed and bacteria free that over a life-time a Westerner's body never builds immunity to the types of bacteria that their ancestors where constantly exposed to.  Hence, you travel to a third-world country and spend half your visit sitting on the loo.

[connda]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Cottage cheese is missing. Terrible hardship.

I agree.  Can't find cottage cheese anywhere.  I should buy some raw milk locally and make my own 'curdle and whey.'

[DavisH]

18 hours ago, dddave said:

I thought most of the whole milk sold in Thailand was re-constituted to be spoil resistant and not fresh from cows.   

Thai-denmark is real milk. Puse some imported brands. 

[digbeth]

last year they claim it was 'dry cow' syndrome

now it looks like government price control makes it not profitable to sell the plain milk at the regular price, 

not how the expensive options like lactose free and barista formula are available normally

[747man]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hmm ... another fake shortage, with pending price increases.

 

Of Course the Price will be 100+ Baht for 2 Litres Very Soon !!

[PR3]

Makro KK this morning no Meiji at all and very few of the other better known brands, just some new brand and lots of it; all the labelling in Thai so cannot even establish the name, I bought some and sadly its not particularly pleasant. 

Hope the Meiji comes back soon. 

[Pink Mist]

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[BenStark]

Expect when the milk is available again, that it will be a different price, and I highly doubt that means lower price

[KhunBENQ]

6 minutes ago, BenStark said:

Expect when the milk is available again, that it will be a different price, and I highly doubt that means lower price

Unlikely. One of the products unchanged at 91/91.5 for 2 liter Meji since I am here (2011).

Was it just rumor that there is some control/limits on the price of milk?

Edited July 20, 2023 by KhunBENQ

[BenStark]

10 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Unlikely. One of the products unchanged at 91/91.5 for 2 liter Meji since I am here (2011).

Was it just rumor that there is some control/limits on the price of milk?

So because it has been the same price (according to you) since 2011, that means there never can be a price increase in the future?

 

Unlikely

 

Soy milk and the Danish plain milk in 250cc bricks has increased by at least 20% in the last 3 years only, so I'm sure it will have been much less 12 years ago

Edited July 20, 2023 by BenStark

[Neeranam]

20 hours ago, jcowle said:

Six local 7/11s around my home have been out of stock of full-fat milk for the past three days.
Is it Pattaya-wide?

Thanks
John

I've been buying milk in Hua Hin for the last month as my wife is away. No problem for full fat but I have not been able to get the light blue low fat milk. 

[kickstart]

20 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

We went through a period like this about 9 or 10 months ago when there was some industry wide issues and many cows were put down.  I believe it was from Lumpy Skin Disease.

Wrong, I live in a big dairy cow area the reason is the profit margin for dairy farmers is very low, over the past year concentrate prices have gone up, along with other feed  suffs so dairy farmers are giving up.

Most dairy farmers buy in all the feed stuffs, very little if any is produced on the farm, the farm gate raw milk price has gone up it is now, depending on milk quality it is 20 baht/kg.

Thai dairy farmers are from the most efficient of dairy farmers, average milk yield is 12kg/day/cow, in our countries it is about 25kg/day, so any changes in the input costs hits them hard ,and most are also in debt to the bank ,or the milk center /co-op, who borrow money from the bank ,then loan it out to the farmers  at a couple of points above base rate of cause.

I think it could get worse, as more farmers give up, Thailand never was self-sufficient in milk. importing raw milk ni on impossible, milk powered is imported mainly from Australia, have heard China a swell but not certain, that goes into your flavored milk. 

[KhunBENQ]

34 minutes ago, BenStark said:

So because it has been the same price (according to you) since 2011, that means there never can be a price increase in the future?

The price IS regulated:

https://www.globaltradealert.org/intervention/112034/price-stabilisation/thailand-government-increased-the-price-of-raw-milk

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Update

On 23 August 2022, the Cabinet of Thailand approved an increase in the median price for buying raw milk at the front of the factory from THB 19 (USD 0.52) per kilogram to THB 20.50 (USD 0.57) per kilogram (see related act).

I may be wrong that the price has increased to 95 Baht last year for 2 liter Meji.

 

And name me another product that hasn't risen in over 10 years.

Edited July 20, 2023 by KhunBENQ

[Pink Mist]

29 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I've been buying milk in Hua Hin for the last month as my wife is away. No problem for full fat but I have not been able to get the light blue low fat milk. 

Please tell me where?  We have been from the south of Pranburi to the north of Hua Hin (Makro) and the full fat Meji has been absent from the shelfs, small coontainers of the low fat available.  Chok Chai Farms is also missing as well as Dutch Mill, we just popped into both Villa's this morning as we were up that way and the shelves are still empty.  I asked the stock people and they stated that they have no idea why there deliveries have been absent,

[BenStark]

5 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

The price IS regulated:

https://www.globaltradealert.org/intervention/112034/price-stabilisation/thailand-government-increased-the-price-of-raw-milk

I may be wrong that the price has increased to 95 Baht last year for 2 liter Meji.

 

And name me another product that hasn't risen in over 10 years.

Regulate price doesn't mean it can't increase. If the government ups the regulated price it will increase in the shops.

 

6 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

And name me another product that hasn't risen in over 10 years.

That is not the point, everything has increased in price since 2020, but you said it hadn't increased in 12 years, which was obviously not correct

[GroveHillWanderer]

20 hours ago, dddave said:

I thought most of the whole milk sold in Thailand was re-constituted to be spoil resistant and not fresh from cows.   

As far as I can tell, most of the milk brands you find here are locally produced from dairy cattle.

 

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In 2021, the production volume of milk and milk products in Thailand was estimated to reach approximately 1.4 million tons of milk equivalent. It was also forecast that the production volume of such products would amount to around 1.42 million tons of milk equivalent in 2022.

 

Production volume of milk and milk products in Thailand

 

[Neeranam]

28 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Please tell me where?  We have been from the south of Pranburi to the north of Hua Hin (Makro) and the full fat Meji has been absent from the shelfs, small coontainers of the low fat available.  Chok Chai Farms is also missing as well as Dutch Mill, we just popped into both Villa's this morning as we were up that way and the shelves are still empty.  I asked the stock people and they stated that they have no idea why there deliveries have been absent,

My local 7/11, corner of Soi 91.

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

No milk in 7/11's, Lotus or Tops around Phichit, and Sak Lek, found plenty of UHT milk though.

[Andrew Dwyer]

No full fat in Lotus’s Ayutthaya for a couple of days now, only the Lactose free stuff.

Found some in my local 7/11 but they don’t stock my favourite Chokchai ☹️

[worgeordie]

None on the shelves up here in Chiang Mai , only a local produced milk,

at the weekend , when this happens it's usually followed by a price increase.

 

regards Worgeordie