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1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

I am just following the cases as best I can also on the legal docket.

 

And I'll say it again: The outcome of any of these criminal trials to me pales against the notion of whether Trump will again be elected President in 2024

I'm the opposite., If he gets elected again I don't care. That will be the will of the people. Seeing justice done is far more important. Also, not seeing a constitutional crisis if he tries to pardon himself before the trials are completed would seem to be of paramount importance I would have thought.

16 minutes ago, candide said:

I guess Trump rehearsed for hours in front of a mirror to improve his angry look! ????

He looks gaunt, probably lost some weight, not like the Donnie we used to...hate (and still do.)  Better watch out for an impending heart attack though.

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it. 

And it was 'tyranny' when AL Capone was indicted.

 

More 'tyranny' when Jeffrey Dahmer was indicted.

 

Yet more when the Feds went after the Unibomber.

 

Since you apparently need a reminder:

 

1) trump stole TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD documents. He had zero right to them, and it is puzzling what a country club owner and wedding planner needs with those docs. Oh, and he cannot 'declassify in his mind'. There is a system requiring an extensive paper trail. Then trump lied about returning them.

 

2) trump was intimately involved---according to his own (R) appointed officials---in the scheme to send fake electors to the Electoral College, in lieu of actual votes. He also dog whistled his goobers to DC, knowing full well they would behave badly, which is to say as trumpers. While his terrorist goobers attacked the US Capitol and threatened to hang the VP, trump sat on his bloated behind and did absolutely nothing for 180 minutes.

 

3) trump tried to pressure election officials and the SecState of Georgia to 'just find me 11,780 votes', while his co-conspirators threatened public poll workers

 

4) trump paid off Stormy Daniels so she wouldn't---inter alia---say publicly before the election "Not frreakishly small, but well below average'. trump sat back and let his bagman---Michael Cohen---go to jail for following trump's order.

 

Rule of Law is not tyranny. It is the US system. If you don't like it, perhaps you prefer weaponization of the military, like Mr. Prigozhin just found out about.

16 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Trump didnt try overthrowing an election, he was sure he won. Just like Stacy Abrams. Worth noting your democrats spent 2016-2020 denying Trumps legitimacy and even impeaching him twice on what turned out to be falsehoods. When the left try overthrowing elections its all fine and dandy. 

If you read the indictment re 6 January, his own (R) appointed staff testified to the grand jury that trump knew he lost.

 

He's just a self-serving child who has zero appreciation for democracy and US ideals.

 

He will have plenty of time to think over his wrongdoing, because the cases against him are pretty airtight. The classified documents case is a slam dunk.  RICO in Georgia looks pretty good, too, and that carries a mandatory 5 years, which likely means life for an obese 77-year old.

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Seeing justice done is far more important.

So seeing justice is done means he is convicted. OK.

 

The damage the guy could do in the US and world even on a daily basis is more than I care to contemplate.

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

He's just a self-serving child who has zero appreciation for democracy and US ideals.

Nonsense, Trump is ahead in the general election polls because of his love for the US and wanting to make her great again! 

The US people are deciding that these indictments are politically motivated and it's quite obvious who are trying to win in undemocratic fashion.

 

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So seeing justice is done means he is convicted. OK.

 

The damage the guy could do in the US and world even on a daily basis is more than I care to contemplate.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. You should know perfectly well that means the completion of the judicial process without interference. Don't be trite.

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So seeing justice is done means he is convicted. OK.

 

The damage the guy could do in the US and world even on a daily basis is more than I care to contemplate.

How many wars were started under Trump?

Do you think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in power?

 

If it hadn't been for these indictments, Trump would be miles ahead in the polls, it would have been a non event. The Dems were desperate and knew their only chance would be to plan an all out attack. Stormy Daniels, lol, this has been around for over 6 years, strange it is just being thrown at him now. They could have tried to hide this undemocratic attack, the US public are not fools. 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

People who have been on the wrong side of every major issue have no ability to educate those who have been factually correct.

Facts?  From you?  You're definitely having a laugh!

 

Please, do give us your sourced facts regarding anything. 

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many wars were started under Trump?

Do you think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in power?

 

If it hadn't been for these indictments, Trump would be miles ahead in the polls, it would have been a non event. The Dems were desperate and knew their only chance would be to plan an all out attack. Stormy Daniels, lol, this has been around for over 6 years, strange it is just being thrown at him now. They could have tried to hide this undemocratic attack, the US public are not fools. 

How many allies were abandoned to the slaughter by Trump in subservience to his puppetmaster Putin?

 

The majority no longer support Trump, they are not fools.

39 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Dishonestly explaining away the tome of evidence showing a candidate was compromised by foreign adversaries as russian disinformation as starters. Look at the mess that caused!!!

Yes, here's a good one.  Give us sources for that claim.

2 hours ago, Sandboxer said:

91 total federal & felony charges covering 4 future trials.

 

Wonder what the Vegas betting odds are of actual prison time for the teflon orangutan....

 

 

Bookies now give odds of 6/1 that Donald Trump is sentenced to prison in 2023:

 

https://www.olbg.com/news/donald-trump-betting-specials-bookies-make-it-61-trump-sentenced-prison-2023-criminal-charges-still-air

 

The future is looking brighter with the passing of each indictment. 91 federal charges, odds are QUITE good at least a FEW of them will stick. That teflon is getting old and frayed.

13 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So seeing justice is done means he is convicted. OK.

 

The damage the guy could do in the US and world even on a daily basis is more than I care to contemplate.

Trump is damaging democracy right now.

 

He’s continually attacking Democracy and the institutions of Democracy.

 

He’s already convinced millions of Americans that Justice is corrupt, he’s holding the torch for despots and tyrants the world over.

 

On the upside he’s destroying the GOP.

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yes, here's a good one.  Give us sources for that claim.

Like THAT will ever happen!!! ????

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. You should know perfectly well that means the completion of the judicial process without interference. Don't be trite.

Well OK but if you read many of the quotes on here, you certainly would not consider that, even given all the evidence, procedural issues are still part of the legal process.

46 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Trump didnt try overthrowing an election, he was sure he won. Just like Stacy Abrams. Worth noting your democrats spent 2016-2020 denying Trumps legitimacy and even impeaching him twice on what turned out to be falsehoods. When the left try overthrowing elections its all fine and dandy. 

"Trump didnt try overthrowing an election, he was sure he won."

Trump did try to overthrow the election, and it's irrelevant if he thought he won.

 

However here's another opportunity for you to give sourced facts.  Prove that democrats were denying the legitimacy of the 2016 election.  Which candidates refused to acknowledge defeat up to and beyond the inauguration.  Provide links to the court cases attempting to overturn the election results and the mob invading the Capitol to prevent the certification of the 2016 election.  Identify the falsehoods the impeachments were based on.

 

C'mon, show us your facts!

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump is damaging democracy right now.

 

He’s continually attacking Democracy and the institutions of Democracy.

 

He’s already convinced millions of Americans that Justice is corrupt, he’s holding the torch for despots and tyrants the world over.

 

On the upside he’s destroying the GOP.

Great. so think what more he could do as President. 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump is damaging democracy right now.

 

He’s continually attacking Democracy and the institutions of Democracy.

 

He’s already convinced millions of Americans that Justice is corrupt, he’s holding the torch for despots and tyrants the world over.

 

On the upside he’s destroying the GOP.

Honestly, the GOP has been rotting under a thin veneer for years. The traffic cone of treason merely ripped away the white hoods and instead gave them red hats.

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nonsense, Trump is ahead in the general election polls because of his love for the US and wanting to make her great again! 

The US people are deciding that these indictments are politically motivated and it's quite obvious who are trying to win in undemocratic fashion.

 

trump is ahead among (R) candidates. Perhaps you missed the other thread, but a majority of AMericans want trump convicted.

 

If you really believe trump loves the US (flag humping is sick performance art, not anything patriotic) and wants to 'make it great again', then you are first in line to have a shot at the proverbial sale of London Bridge.

 

trump is 100% self-serving. It oozes from every pore. The guy stole highly classified documents that could jeopardize US security and certainly could endanger clandestine assets. trump couldn't care less about anyone buy himself.

 

I'm surprise anyone can reach adulthood and not see through his totally transparent schtick.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well OK but if you read many of the quotes on here, you certainly would not consider that, even given all the evidence, procedural issues are still part of the legal process.

Unfortunately they are but Trump abuses the process in order to try to prevent completion of the judicial process, whether to run out the clock or to give himself a chance at a self pardon. That's the salient point here.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Great. so think what more he could do as President. 

He’s not going to be President.

 

He’s headed to prison.

As I read comments on various media and social media as the Cult bends over pretzel-like to defend their messiah, I am reminded how accurate Hillary was about trump's cult. In fact, she was somewhat generous in only going so far as to call them "Deplorables".

 

From a purely economic prospective (putting aside for a moment the immorality of a Cult that thinks democracy only applies when one's candidate wins), analysis of the Counties trump carried in the election produce per capita GDP at only 11% the rate of Counties trump lost.

 

Looking at the major States trump carried, this is no surprise, though the % almost makes trumpistan look worse than Venezuela. States like WV, KY, TN and MS has the highest per capita rate of Social Security Disability Insurance, and they are major 'takers' from the Federal Budget, whereas the bills are paid by Blue States like CA, NY, NJ and MA.

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Were are the protesters Donnie were are the crying court employees and blubbering state troopers?seems like things went nice and quietly not as much drama as he expected now let’s get him convicted and sentenced 

Not bothering with a trial then?

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Could be worse! 

Was he in handcuffs? 

Did he abuse the camera person?

Did he give a rant about witch hunts?

Did he claim that Joe biden is worse then him?

Did ...

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Well that depends with the grand jury was drawn from. If it was drawn from Atlanta, which is a democratic stronghold, most likely that wouldn't be the case

From everything I've read and heard, the screening process for grand juries is quite careful to ensure as fair a decision as possible.

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

As I read comments on various media and social media as the Cult bends over pretzel-like to defend their messiah, I am reminded how accurate Hillary was about trump's cult. In fact, she was somewhat generous in only going so far as to call them "Deplorables".

 

From a purely economic prospective (putting aside for a moment the immorality of a Cult that thinks democracy only applies when one's candidate wins), analysis of the Counties trump carried in the election produce per capita GDP at only 11% the rate of Counties trump lost.

 

Looking at the major States trump carried, this is no surprise, though the % almost makes trumpistan look worse than Venezuela. States like WV, KY, TN and MS has the highest per capita rate of Social Security Disability Insurance, and they are major 'takers' from the Federal Budget, whereas the bills are paid by Blue States like CA, NY, NJ and MA.

The sad is the rise of personality cult politics. Trump has a single message, racism and nationalism and plays to the lowest common denominator. Hillary had inside and detailed knowledge of who he was.

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

trump is ahead among (R) candidates. Perhaps you missed the other thread, but a majority of AMericans want trump convicted.

 

If you really believe trump loves the US (flag humping is sick performance art, not anything patriotic) and wants to 'make it great again', then you are first in line to have a shot at the proverbial sale of London Bridge.

 

trump is 100% self-serving. It oozes from every pore. The guy stole highly classified documents that could jeopardize US security and certainly could endanger clandestine assets. trump couldn't care less about anyone buy himself.

 

I'm surprise anyone can reach adulthood and not see through his totally transparent schtick.

The guy stole highly classified documents that could jeopardize US security and certainly could endanger clandestine assets. You mean Biden right?

41 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The Biden camp will pull all their dirty tricks out the bag to make sure that doesn't happen. 

Trump, an upstanding, ex-President of the US, has no criminal record and has 91 felonies thrown at him before he runs for re-election 555. You couldn't make this up. Sleepy could have been a bit more discrete about it. 

And yet you can not specify any charges that are politically motivated and lacking in evidence.  You're really grasping at straws with your "He's such a good boy" argument.

40 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Does anyone here actually believe that Trump gave the orders for the Capitol incident?

 

 

Incident!?

 

How about "Be there, will be wild!"  https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6