ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Perhaps you're just making up stuff. Just the week prior to this there were the usual (indirect) negotiations securing extra work permits and other concessions for Gazans. Also, I don't think that they asked the people of Gaza as to their views regarding this 'issue'.

Ah, so you think that being allowed out of the prison to go work for the oppressors is a good thing. How about they are allowed to have a port to trade with other countries and work for themselves? That way they might even be able to get medical supplies, which are restricted by Israel.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

My lot knows quite well that the only driver for that sort of comment can be  found  in the  history  of Europe of the 1930s.

Of course it's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

How about looking in the mirror?

[Ben Zioner]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Israelis may very well re occupy it, but they will face the same problems that made them leave before,

This I  agree to, hence the need to rebuild (Haussmannize) the whole place

 

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

western countries to stop turning a blind eye to the illegal occupation and suppression of the Palestinians.

"suppression of the Palestinians" that's utter bullcrud.

[seajae]

the terrorists have killed 250 plus and wounded 1500 plus by attacking civillian towns, this is terrrorism at its worst and they need to be wiped out completely, attacking soldiers is one thing but killing hundreds of innocent civillians because of their BS beliefs deserves total annihilation so it never happens again. This shows how backward and demented these terrorists really are, they are still living in the dark ages.

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9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Its quite acceptable to disagree with him if you want and you can liken him to anyone in history, anyone apart from Adolf Hitler .

   Gengis Khan , Pol Pot, Julius Ceaser  , Putin, Kim Jong Ill , Saddam Hussein 

Try to think of someone else, other than Adolf Hitler for a comparison 

And is it quite acceptable to agree with him?

[Morch]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I never said or implied that you did. Just expanded on what you wrote.

20 years ago, this current government would have been considered extreme right. The Israeli political center of gravity has shifted far to the right.

 

The current government is considered extreme right. Just a few years ago, Netanyahu refused (or said he's refuse) collaboration with some of his current political partners. Obviously, his political survival and assuring he stays out of prison comes first.

 

While there is definitely a shift to they right (for many reasons). But there's right and there's extreme right. Some right wing parties can fit in a centrist based government, and even accept major concessions (if it comes to that), some do not. 

 

Netanyahu would surely prefer a 'saner' coalition, but many on the opposition refuse collaboration due to his ongoing court cases. That's how the current government came about.

 

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

How about looking in the mirror?

Are you aware that this reads like an apology of the Holocaust?

Edited October 8, 2023 by Ben Zioner

[thaibeachlovers]

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You have no idea what you are talking about .

Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt when the two Countries signed a peace deal in 1979

 

The peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was signed 16 months after Egyptian president Anwar Sadat's visit to Israel in 1977, after intense negotiations. The main features of the treaty were mutual recognition, cessation of the state of war that had existed since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, normalization of relations and the withdrawal by Israel of its armed forces and civilians from the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel had captured during the Six-Day War in 1967.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty

 

 

 

If they wanted a treaty with Egypt they had to formally give the Sinai back.

As for the reasons they wanted a treaty, and why one was even possible, one has to look at that war where Egypt overwhelmed Israeli forces in the Sinai.

[connda]

"I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere."
--Netanyahu

Now the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian civilians begins in earnest.  Goodbye Gaza.  Goodbye West Bank.  Hello 5 million Palestinians ejected out of what will be Israeli-claimed Palestine. Hope the EU has plans for another 5 million displaced people of Arab descent.  This is about to become a human-right crisis of epic proportion.

You reap what you sow. 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, placeholder said:

And is it quite acceptable to agree with him?

I do believe that its considered to be far right Neo Nazi Anti Semitic  to label Jews as being like Adolf Hitler .

  But lets not go down that road and stay on topic , as Anti Israelis seem to keep going on about Hitler all the time 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, seajae said:

the terrorists have killed 250 plus and wounded 1500 plus by attacking civillian towns, this is terrrorism at its worst and they need to be wiped out completely, attacking soldiers is one thing but killing hundreds of innocent civillians because of their BS beliefs deserves total annihilation so it never happens again. This shows how backward and demented these terrorists really are, they are still living in the dark ages.

Israel has been killing hundreds of Palestinians while suffering very few casualties in the past, so perhaps that comment can be redirected 180 degrees.

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1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

The current government is considered extreme right. Just a few years ago, Netanyahu refused (or said he's refuse) collaboration with some of his current political partners. Obviously, his political survival and assuring he stays out of prison comes first.

 

While there is definitely a shift to they right (for many reasons). But there's right and there's extreme right. Some right wing parties can fit in a centrist based government, and even accept major concessions (if it comes to that), some do not. 

 

Netanyahu would surely prefer a 'saner' coalition, but many on the opposition refuse collaboration due to his ongoing court cases. That's how the current government came about.

 

Maybe not so much among the rising generation:

How Israeli youth helped usher in the farthest right-wing government ever

Over the past month, tens of thousands of Israelis have come out to protest their new government’s proposed judicial reforms, which could weaken the country’s democracy and separation of powers. The crowds are diverse in age, but unlike popular liberal or democratic protests in many countries, attendees say the audience skews older.

Recent polling backs that surprising observation: A joint poll published by the Israel Democracy Institute last month found that 73 percent of Jewish Israelis between ages 18 and 24 identify as right-wing, compared with only 46 percent of Jewish Israelis over 65.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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As for the reasons they wanted a treaty, and why one was even possible, one has to look at that war where Egypt overwhelmed Israeli forces in the Sinai.

Which war was that ?

Which war did Egypt overwhelm the Israelis in the Sinai 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

"I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere."
--Netanyahu

Now the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian civilians begins in earnest.  Goodbye Gaza.  Goodbye West Bank.  Hello 5 million Palestinians ejected out of what will be Israeli-claimed Palestine. Hope the EU has plans for another 5 million displaced people of Arab descent.  This is about to become a human-right crisis of epic proportion.

You reap what you sow. 

Israel knows that time is on the Palestinian side as their population is increasing faster than the Israelis, so eventually by sheer weight of numbers they can win over Israel. IMO this situation was tailor made for them to try and make the Palestinians leave and go somewhere else, though where that is does anyone know?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

Which war was that ?

Which war did Egypt overwhelm the Israelis in the Sinai 

Oh dear. Do you not know the history of the area?

If you don't I see no point of discussing further with you.

Bye.

[Ben Zioner]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Which war was that ?

Which war did Egypt overwhelm the Israelis in the Sinai 

He just forgot that the US  traitors forced us to stop our advance towards Cairo because it threatened their supply of cheap gazoline.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I guess that you missed that Gaza has been under Israeli siege for years.

 

Treat people badly for decades and eventually they will rebel.

 

I guess that you missed it wasn't always thus. The 'siege' is mostly a reaction to Hamas actions and agenda. Also, it it maintained by Egypt as well. Don't see as many complaints about that, or Palestinian attacks on that side.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

You reap what you sow. 

Indeed. The Israelis should read their own Bible ( the old testament ).

 

10. Proverbs 22:8 Whoever sows injustice will reap calamity, and the rod of his fury will fail.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear. Do you not know the history of the area?

If you don't I see no point of discussing further with you.

Bye.

You make a false claim which you cannot back up . 

[norfolkandchance]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

One more victim identified .

The lower photo is of her in the back on a truck after being murdered and her copse being desecrated and spat upon whist they were shouting "Allah Ahkbar" .

  She was attending a musical peace festival when she got taken 

 

Israel will prevail again.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, 2baht said:

I don't know why the world kisses Netinyahoos butt???

It does not. Even Biden held out having an official meeting with him. Ended up as a short time thing, and not in the White House. Most non-right wing/authoritarian leaders in Europe shun him as well. His last appearance in the UN was in-front of an almost empty hall. 

[TheAppletons]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

How about looking in the mirror?

Wait....did you just blame the Holocaust on the Jews?  

 

Wow.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who is responding to who seems to be a very subjective matter - is Israel responding to Hamas’s attack or is Hamas responding to Israel’ land theft and oppressive occupation?

The Gaza Strip is not occupied, and it's been that way for a long time. The so-called 'siege' is a by-product of Hamas's own actions and policies - it was not always in place. In the current instance, it is quite clear who is the instigator.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I remember dead Gaza children from the last time Israel attacked them from the air, so your last sentence back at you.

We are used to your somewhat bizarre opinions, but attempting to justify that massacre - you really are a four letter word!

[Morch]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Are you saying the the Israeli government should be judged by the same standards as a terrorist outfit such as Hamas?

 

That's a fine ethical and moral point. What standards is the Hamas (actually and effectively) 'judged' by?

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35 minutes ago, Morch said:

That's not true. I address such comments as well.

Some posters I don't bother responding to, or are on my ignore list.

Fair enough.

[Skipalongcassidy]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

 

Acquisition of territory by means of war is  illegal under international law. 

Get a grip... it was negotiated... broke no laws

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20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Which war was that ?

Which war did Egypt overwhelm the Israelis in the Sinai 

Actually, at the outset of the 73 war, the Egyptians made deep inroads into the Sinai before being stopped.

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Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

Get a grip... it was negotiated... broke no laws

What was negotiated?

[stevenl]

Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

Get a grip... it was negotiated... broke no laws

Nonsense. Israel's continuous expansion was not negotiated but opposed by nearly the whole world.