Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They have yet to investigate that. Hardly have time to submit it tomorrow.

 

It's been investigated, it isn't new.

 

Gaza's entire 2.3 million population is also in a food crisis, with 576,000 people at catastrophic or starvation levels.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240110-🔴-live-blinken-urges-israel-to-engage-with-region-on-postwar-plans

[ozimoron]

Former Knesset Member Calls For ‘Extermination’ of All Palestinians in Gaza

 

“I tell you, in Gaza, without exception, they are all terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, all of them killed. We will flatten Gaza, turn them to dust and the army will cleanse the area,” he claimed.

 

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/12/359562/former-knesset-member-calls-for-extermination-of-all-palestinians-in-gaza

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How Experts Believe Starvation Is Being Utilized in Gaza

"Murdoch also says circumstantial evidence is sufficient to prove starvation as a war crime—if information exists that if a course of conduct is continued, it will lead to civilians starving, then those in charge can be held responsible. 

Starvation as a war crime has never been prosecuted, she says, but her organization has produced a report arguing it is happening in South Sudan and she wants her group to be allowed to conduct an independent investigation in Gaza."

 https://time.com/6552740/gaza-israel-starvation-hunger/

 

How many Palestinians have starved to death? 

 

What do you think Israel should be doing differently? 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Former Knesset Member Calls For ‘Extermination’ of All Palestinians in Gaza

 

“I tell you, in Gaza, without exception, they are all terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, all of them killed. We will flatten Gaza, turn them to dust and the army will cleanse the area,” he claimed.

 

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/12/359562/former-knesset-member-calls-for-extermination-of-all-palestinians-in-gaza

I think it safe to say there are a lot more Palestinians calling for the eradication of Israel than there are Israelis calling for the eradication of the Palestinians. 

 

So you found one rape and now you've found one guy calling for the eradication of the Palestinians.

 

You're hilarious

[ozimoron]

Earlier this week, extremist National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir of the Jewish Power party, who has enabled the arming of settlers, said that the expulsion of Palestinians is the only ‘humane solution’.

 

Ben-Gvir, himself a settler, said: “Encouraging the residents of Gaza to emigrate is a solution we must advance…it’s the right, just, moral and humane solution.”

 

https://www.newarab.com/news/what-are-israeli-ministers-saying-about-expulsion-gazans

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's been investigated, it isn't new.

 

Gaza's entire 2.3 million population is also in a food crisis, with 576,000 people at catastrophic or starvation levels.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240110-🔴-live-blinken-urges-israel-to-engage-with-region-on-postwar-plans

"Starvation as a war crime has never been prosecuted, she says, but her organization has produced a report arguing it is happening in South Sudan and she wants her group to be allowed to conduct an independent investigation in Gaza."

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

"Starvation as a war crime has never been prosecuted, she says, but her organization has produced a report arguing it is happening in South Sudan and she wants her group to be allowed to conduct an independent investigation in Gaza."

 

Is she the only interested party in middle eastern war crimes?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Is she the only interested party in middle eastern war crimes?

Ask her?

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

Blood libel in the Hague: Human rights attorney Arsen Ostrovsky dissects the legal threat 

“The claim by South Africa is completely without a shred of merit or any legal basis whatsoever,” says human rights attorney Arsen Ostrovsky, CEO of the International Legal Forum, an Israel-based NGO of lawyers advocating for Israel, in a conversation with Mishpacha. “Essentially, it is no more than a blood libel and act of lawfare, in which South Africa is willingly serving as pro bono counsel for the Iranian regime and Hamas.”

Despite Ostrovsky’s contempt for South Africa’s case, he takes the charge very seriously. 

https://mishpacha.com/do-jewish-lives-matter/

[Rimmer]

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[Jeff the Chef]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Blood libel in the Hague: Human rights attorney Arsen Ostrovsky dissects the legal threat 

“The claim by South Africa is completely without a shred of merit or any legal basis whatsoever,” says human rights attorney Arsen Ostrovsky, CEO of the International Legal Forum, an Israel-based NGO of lawyers advocating for Israel, in a conversation with Mishpacha. “Essentially, it is no more than a blood libel and act of lawfare, in which South Africa is willingly serving as pro bono counsel for the Iranian regime and Hamas.”

Despite Ostrovsky’s contempt for South Africa’s case, he takes the charge very seriously. 

https://mishpacha.com/do-jewish-lives-matter/

 

If only it was Iran or Hamas who were up before the International Court of Justice, but there not are they?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

If only it was Iran or Hamas who were up before the International Court of Justice, but there not are they?

Why are you asking me that question? Do you not know or doing your usual childish game playing

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

If only it was Iran or Hamas who were up before the International Court of Justice, but there not are they?

 

   Hamas are not a recognised  Country , so they cannot be bought before the ICJ

[Jeff the Chef]

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas are not a recognised  Country , so they cannot be bought before the ICJ

 

Yeah, I know.

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yeah, I know.

 

So just trolling, then?

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

Now days, you don't even have to be in a Muslim country to feel the hate and endure hostilities so much so that Jews all over

the western world are now, for safety sake, removing any signs of being a Jew, and this is happening in civilised modern countries, a place where they were born and raised...

People, even in civilised modern countries, have been watching what is happening in occupied Palestine for many years and don't like what they see. If the dislike is unfairly applied to Jews that are not zionists that is unfortunate, but probably inevitable.

 

Chickens coming home to roost is an appropriate saying.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Read the post of yours it was replying to, if you can't work it out try phoning a friend.

Confirmed. A wind up troll post then.

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Trolling along on the crest of a wave to the ICJ, bigger fish to fry, go troll somewhere else.

Yea right........

[Bkk Brian]

In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 Massacre and the Hamas Human Shield Strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally complicit with Hamas' campaign of genocide against our people. 
@AlJazeera

 

[Bkk Brian]

On 1/9/2024 at 5:16 PM, Bkk Brian said:

IDF: Al Jazeera journalists were killed in car with drone-operating terror operative

The Israel Defense Forces responded late Sunday to reports of the deaths of two Palestinian journalists working for Al Jazeera in an Israeli airstrike in the southern Gaza Strip earlier in the day, saying the pair were traveling in a vehicle with a terror operative who was operating a drone.

In Sunday’s strike in Rafah, Hamza Wael Dahdouh, the son of Al Jazeera’s Gaza correspondent Wael Al-Dahdouh, and Mustafa Thuria, a video stringer for AFP who was also working for the Qatar-based TV outlet, were both killed. A third journalist, Hazem Rajab, was seriously wounded, Al Jazeera said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-al-jazeera-journalists-were-killed-in-car-with-drone-operating-terror-operative

 

 

 

Update on this, they were on a double whammy, not only working for Al Jazeera but also now confirmed as on the payroll of Hamas. Just in time for the ICJ and South Africa's claims about killing journalists.

 

Confirmed: journalists Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuria were members of Gaza-based terrorist organizations. 

On Jan 7, an IAF aircraft directed by troops targeted the operators of a drone, posing a threat to our soldiers near Rafah. The operators were later identified as al-Dahdouh and Thuria. 

Documents found by our troops in Gaza revealed Thuria’s role as Squad Deputy Commander in Hamas' Gaza City Brigade, as well as Al-Dahdouh’s roles in the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization’s electronic engineering unit and previously as a deputy commander in IJ’s Zeitun Battalion.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1745177413565223266

 

[ezzra]

Soon, the atrocities and acts of barbarity perpetrated by Hamas and Palestinians civilians on the 7th of October will be revealed in Hague for all the world to see, Also:

 

 Houthi rebels who attacked British ship trained at elite Iranian academy...

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/10/houthi-rebels-trained-at-an-elite-iranian-naval-academy/

Edited January 11 by ezzra

[Morch]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

People, even in civilised modern countries, have been watching what is happening in occupied Palestine for many years and don't like what they see. If the dislike is unfairly applied to Jews that are not zionists that is unfortunate, but probably inevitable.

 

Chickens coming home to roost is an appropriate saying.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

I don't know that you lot express the same sort of reserved understanding when such generalizations are applies to 'all Muslims', 'all Arabs', 'all Palestinians', 'all Gazans'.

 

Somehow it's ok when it's about Jews.

[Bkk Brian]

"Haaretz's false reporting that the prime minister said the deportation of Gaza residents is under consideration provided tailwind for South Africa’s baseless accusation" of genocide at the International Court of Justice.

 

Haaretz Falsely Claimed Netanyahu Was Open to Deporting Gaza Residents; He’s Not

CAMERA’s Israel office prompted the correction of a report in Haaretz‘s English edition, which falsely claimed that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the deportation of Gaza residents is under consideration.

But as Barak Ravid of Axios, and a former Haaretz journalist, rightly pointed out, Netanyahu did not say the deportation of Gaza residents is under consideration. Ravid correctly tweeted:

That’s not what he said in the recording. He was talking about a deal of deporting [Hamas leader Yahya] Sinwar from Gaza in return for the release of the hostages as a way to end the war.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/01/10/haaretz-falsely-claimed-netanyahu-was-open-to-deporting-gaza-residents-hes-not/

[Morch]

17 hours ago, Morch said:

For those belittling the ICJ - no, it does not have actual powers to enforce anything. But if it was that of non-event, why would Israel even bother with attending the legal proceedings, fielding a defense and so on?

 

Russia, China, the USA - they can shrug off such rulings (up to a point). Countries which are actual (as opposed to anti-Israel-brigade's fantasies) pariahs, or have some specific strong strategic clout, do so as well. Israel would find it much harder to ignore such rulings, at least not without paying a diplomatic cost. It may not be quite as high as the aforementioned brigade imagines, but probably not negligible as well.

 

Down the line, ICJ rulings can be used as basis for further diplomatic and legal measures. Call it a legal infrastructure, if it helps.

 

I think the Israeli government (as in the elements which aren't fanatic and have more than a couple of brain cells to rub together) are less dismissive of this than some of you guys. 

 

‘We should be worried’: Israel faces peril at The Hague in Gaza ‘genocide’ case

https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-should-be-worried-israel-faces-peril-at-the-hague-in-gaza-genocide-case/

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

‘We should be worried’: Israel faces peril at The Hague in Gaza ‘genocide’ case

https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-should-be-worried-israel-faces-peril-at-the-hague-in-gaza-genocide-case/

mmm

 

Good article my take is that provisional measures of some sort could well be issued by the court based on this.

 

“It’s a low evidentiary threshold; you just have to show prima facie that what you’re saying is plausible,” explained Lieblich.

 

The main event case which would be years away where it is more evidence based has no bearing on this first 2 days hearing. The Israeli ministers making those inflammatory remarks did not help at all. Its going to be a pollical witch hunt against Israel but should not affect the ongoing dismantling of Hamas.

Edited January 11 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

16 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: Ahead of Israel’s arguments in tomorrow’s Hague Tribunal hearing, Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar recommended in closed hearings that they shame the UN before the world by revealing proof of UNRWA staff involvement in the October 7 Hamas massacre.

 

Watchdog finds UNRWA workers praised Hamas massacres in internal Telegram channel

An investigation by the UN Watch monitor group found that United Nations workers in Gaza used an internal Telegram channel, which was meant to facilitate their work, to praise the Hamas massacres on October 7.

The probe, released Wednesday, found that many of the workers at the United Nations Relief Works Agency — the UN body for Palestinian refugees — explicitly praised the onslaught, in which some 3,000 terrorists crossed into Israel, killing some 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, most of them civilians.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watchdog-finds-unrwa-workers-praised-hamas-massacres-in-internal-telegram-channel/

I wish the UN faced up to its own failures in this, or are they proud of their staffs work.

 

Not surprising that they grew up to become terrorists.

 

Editorial: Reform UNRWA, a renegade agency committed to hate

What if a secretive United Nations organization existed that employed murderers and terrorists; that hired trained killers as school principals; that brainwashed children in Islamic fundamentalism; that ran a propaganda machine, using social media to encourage students to kill people just because they were part of a different religion?

Such an organization exists. As detailed in this week’s Opinion page by Jerusalem journalist David Bedein, the agency is called the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, also known as UNRWA. Over the years, it has raised billions of dollars from Western countries, with the United States serving as the lead donor and patron. 

https://jewishjournal.org/2017/05/04/editorial-reform-unrwa-a-renegade-agency-committed-to-hate/

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Update on this, they were on a double whammy, not only working for Al Jazeera but also now confirmed as on the payroll of Hamas. Just in time for the ICJ and South Africa's claims about killing journalists.

 

Confirmed: journalists Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuria were members of Gaza-based terrorist organizations. 

On Jan 7, an IAF aircraft directed by troops targeted the operators of a drone, posing a threat to our soldiers near Rafah. The operators were later identified as al-Dahdouh and Thuria. 

Documents found by our troops in Gaza revealed Thuria’s role as Squad Deputy Commander in Hamas' Gaza City Brigade, as well as Al-Dahdouh’s roles in the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization’s electronic engineering unit and previously as a deputy commander in IJ’s Zeitun Battalion.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1745177413565223266

 

 

    Putting two and two together , the Al-Jazzera "journalists " were Hamas members just using the *Press* overalls to pretend to be journalists and were acting as Human shields and protecting Hamas's leadership .

   They were wearing "Press" labels hoping that Israel wouldn't attack their party which contained the Hamas leadership 

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Putting two and two together , the Al-Jazzera "journalists " were Hamas members just using the *Press* overalls to pretend to be journalists and were acting as Human shields and protecting Hamas's leadership .

   They were wearing "Press" labels hoping that Israel wouldn't attack their party which contained the Hamas leadership 

 

A conspiracy theory. Journalists are commonly embedded in one army or another on the understand they will be protected by that force.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

mmm

 

Good article my take is that provisional measures of some sort could well be issued by the court based on this.

 

“It’s a low evidentiary threshold; you just have to show prima facie that what you’re saying is plausible,” explained Lieblich.

 

The main event case which would be years away where it is more evidence based has no bearing on this first 2 days hearing. The Israeli ministers making those inflammatory remarks did not help at all. Its going to be a pollical witch hunt against Israel but should not affect the ongoing dismantling of Hamas.

 

If there is an injunction given (even a relatively minor one, say regarding safe entry of aid), how would it 'not affect' Israel's war effort? All the more so if the injunction is more heavy weight?

 

What you see from Israeli right wing ministers and politicians is Netanyahu's own political games coming to roost. A few years ago some of these players were in the backbenches or even political pariahs. Political and personal necessities made him normalize them, up to a point where his control of his minions is slipping. It's actually amazing that they are still at it - the other day, there was a poster who called Netanyahu a 'tyrant' - what kind of 'tyrant' can't make his underlings put a sock in it?