Judge orders Trump and companies to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

[bamnutsak]

trump's going to have to hawk a whole lot of $399 gold sneakers to pay off this penalty.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlbu0e0Lf8

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

 

Except of course the court just found Trump liable to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars for the very frauds Maddow reported Trump had committed.

 

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except of course the court just found Trump liable to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars for the very frauds Maddow reported Trump had committed.

 

Pure politics!

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[Lacessit]

35 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whatever might be Putin's great wealth, he doesn't have the liquidity of MBS and the Saudis who could just write a $300 million check, no questions asked.

Putin has all Russia's gold mining output to call on, how do you think he is paying the Iranians and North Koreans?

[LosLobo]

14 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I still don't know how the State of NY will collect from Trump, or whether Trump needs to post a bond to appeal.

 

Also, were any Federal tax laws violated by Trump in the last 7 years that were revealed during this case?

There is no time limit for the IRS to enforce civil fraud penalties.

Judge Engoron received a report from the monitor about Donald Trump’s tax dealings with his Chicago property when he defaulted on bank loans in 2010:
 

1.  The court-appointed monitor found inconsistencies and errors in Trump’s financial disclosures.
 

2.  The monitor reported that a $48 million loan for Trump’s Chicago property may not have existed.
 

3. Trump’s tax returns showed that creditors canceled $287 million in debt related to the Chicago project after Trump defaulted on loans.
 

4.  Trump may not have declared the canceled debt as income, which is typically required.
 

5.  These findings are part of an ongoing investigation by the New York Attorney General.

6.  Trump’s legal team has stated they will address these issues with the court.

 

What is the Statute of Limitations for Tax Fraud: IRS Overview (goldinglawyers.com):

 

Did Trump evade taxes with a fake loan? Watchdog discovers Chicago deal that ‘never existed’ | The Independent

Forgiveness of $287M in Trump’s Chicago Tower Debt Raises Fraud and Tax Questions 
 

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[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 

Pure politics!

 

But of a done deal when the court has the receipts for Trump frauds.

 

But I do get your point, you just can’t stomach Trump being held accountable for his crimes.

 

I suggest you buckle up for what’s coming.

 

 

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Putin has all Russia's gold mining output to call on, how do you think he is paying the Iranians and North Koreans?

Do you think the NY State Court would accept a check from Putin?

[Lacessit]

49 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 

 

Fact: E Jean Carroll was awarded $83.3 million in damages in her second defamation case.

 

Fact: Judge Engoron ordered Trump to disgorge $355 million in fraudulently obtained profits.

 

Fact: Maddow has multiple awards for journalism. AFAIK you have none.

 

You can post your conspiracy theories here for eternity, you can't change said facts.

[Lacessit]

35 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Do you think the NY State Court would accept a check from Putin?

 

It would be done through an intermediary.

 

 

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[G_Money]

35 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Fact: E Jean Carroll was awarded $83.3 million in damages in her second defamation case.

 

Fact: Judge Engoron ordered Trump to disgorge $355 million in fraudulently obtained profits.

 

Fact: Maddow has multiple awards for journalism. AFAIK you have none.

 

You can post your conspiracy theories here for eternity, you can't change said facts.

Appears I’m not the only one.  Even MSNBC of all places!

 

There is hope for some of you yet!

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-host-katy-tur-demands-fair-after-judge-fines-trump-bans-him-from-business-new-york

[jerrymahoney]

36 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It would be done through an intermediary.

 

Oh. 

 

But since neither Putin or the Saudis have yet to kick in, I will stick more likely with the Saudis

 

BTW 'write a check' is a figure of speech

 

 

[G_Money]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Fact: E Jean Carroll was awarded $83.3 million in damages in her second defamation case.

 

Fact: Judge Engoron ordered Trump to disgorge $355 million in fraudulently obtained profits.

 

Fact: Maddow has multiple awards for journalism. AFAIK you have none.

 

You can post your bullsh!t conspiracy theories here for eternity, you can't change said facts.

“Fact: Maddow has multiple awards for journalism. AFAIK you have none”

 

True, I have none.  How many do you have?

[uttradit]

6 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

 

 

Seems that facts and the truth just passes you by, is it nice in that alternative reality?

 

Not ridiculous at all. You found 1 guy who does. That's called an outliner not the norm. 

 

I wouldn't give 1 baht to any of them.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

 

 

My 2 cents on MSNBC that was recently added to my pay tv. TONE: Clearly biased to a certain narrative. Kind of corny in the righteous approach. CONTENT: Often pretty good. Often a more substantial deeper analysis than other competition. Fact checked. 

[transam]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:02 AM, Prubangboy said:

He loses at everything and he smells like poo. 

 

The only possible explanation for the TrumpTrash I see here:

 

Scat play is a much bigger fetish than previously imagined.

I think it's a Big Mac, back-to-front ball cap brigade thingy.................😂

[Tug]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whatever might be Putin's great wealth, he doesn't have the liquidity of MBS and the Saudis who could just write a $300 million check, no questions asked.

Perhaps but he certainly has the most to gain trumps far and away his best asset 

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, G_Money said:

“Fact: Maddow has multiple awards for journalism. AFAIK you have none”

 

True, I have none.  How many do you have?

I used to write scientific reports, and papers for peer-reviewed journals. The process involved assembling data obtained by experiment, and drawing conclusions from it in a logical sequence.

Probably not journalism, but close. It's probably why I find the garbled non-sequitur posts of Trumpers so ridiculous.

 

[Prubangboy]

35 minutes ago, transam said:

I think it's a Big Mac, back-to-front ball cap brigade thingy.................😂

When I lived in Smokey and the Bandit-land, cammo-everything was huge: cammo jeep, cammo Bic lighter, even.

 

Much, much fetishization -not just of their leader- but of an implied association to the military that was wholly fake. Stolen valor on steroids. I asked the fake cammo guy who was pressure washing my house if he was done and he said, "that's affirmative".

 

I'd get hit up at the Walmart register to buy Pringles for the troops in Afghanistan, and then I'd toss them into a vast, empty bin where true patriots before me had opted instead for a SlimJim for themselves. 

 

What's weird is the Trumpers here who's so much more educated and well-travelled than THAT wanting to be THAT -when THAT is already a weird and nutty cosplay lost world in itself. It's the same old Tea Party fantasies, but now more distilled into poison.

 

Call it 10 years out at the latest, we're going to have to have some kind of widespread de-nazification program. You can't have a full third of the country this berserk. We're going to have heal their trauma.

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

52 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Appears I’m not the only one.  Even MSNBC of all places!

 

There is hope for some of you yet!

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-host-katy-tur-demands-fair-after-judge-fines-trump-bans-him-from-business-new-york

 

Yes, Tur of MSNBC asked the question of her panelists whether the judge's ruling barring Trump operating business in NY for several years was fair... And her panelists answered her question:

 

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/msnbcs-questions-trump-prosecution-is-this-fair-to-go-after-donald-trump-like-this/

 

"Tristan Snell, former New York assistant attorney general, used the very same statute against Trump University for scamming people out of thousands of dollars.

 

Snell said, “The legal standard is whether there was a tendency to deceive. That’s what it is, and the legislature in New York made a public policy choice to say that that was an important weapon for the A.G.’s office to have to vindicate the public good in this situation.”

 

Tur interjected, “And it seems like what Judge Engoron found is there was intention, not just a tendency, there was intention to deceive.”

 

Edited February 18 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whatever might be Putin's great wealth, he doesn't have the liquidity of MBS and the Saudis who could just write a $300 million check, no questions asked.

When it becomes certain trump is going to jail, or certain he'll lose again in November, MbS is going to pull all the funds he fronted to influence peddler jared, the guy with ZERO fund manager experience.

[jerrymahoney]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

When it becomes certain trump is going to jail, or certain he'll lose again in November, MbS is going to pull all the funds he fronted to influence peddler jared, the guy with ZERO fund manager experience.

Maybe. but that is a different issue.

 

whether he ends up in jail or not, I certainly hope he is not again President.

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[Walker88]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

Pure politics!

Pure LAW, something anathema to trump and trumpers

 

The US Constitution, a wonderful document trump wants to toss out, has a beautiful goal of making all equal under the law.

 

trump's lawyer actually tried to argue---re the Hush Money Case---that a 25 March trial date is unfair, because the defendant is running a campaign. The judge reminded the lawyer that such things mean absolutely nothing in a court of law, no more than a defendant could claim he has to work that day, or his kid has a softball game, or whatever.

 

Citizen trump gets no special treatment.

[newnative]

Good.

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

It would be done through an intermediary.

 

 

Kim Jong-Un or the Ayatollah perhaps!

 

[G_Money]

22 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Pure LAW, something anathema to trump and trumpers

 

The US Constitution, a wonderful document trump wants to toss out, has a beautiful goal of making all equal under the law.

 

trump's lawyer actually tried to argue---re the Hush Money Case---that a 25 March trial date is unfair, because the defendant is running a campaign. The judge reminded the lawyer that such things mean absolutely nothing in a court of law, no more than a defendant could claim he has to work that day, or his kid has a softball game, or whatever.

 

Citizen trump gets no special treatment.

 

“The US Constitution, a wonderful document trump wants to toss out, has a beautiful goal of making all equal under the law.”

 

Unless of course your name is Biden or Clinton.  Then it’s a free pass with their get out of jail card.

And please don’t tell me they’re not as guilty as Trump allegedly is.

 

Citizens Biden and Clinton do get special treatment.

 

It’s worth repeating, Pure Politics!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

It would be done through an intermediary.

 

 

The NRA being the usual first choice.

[G_Money]

35 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

When it becomes certain trump is going to jail, or certain he'll lose again in November, MbS is going to pull all the funds he fronted to influence peddler jared, the guy with ZERO fund manager experience.

We have all been hearing this for years.  
 

When Trump this.  When Trump that.

 

Remember “when” he was going to lose in 2016.

 

Even long before then, “when” he goes to jail for all of his alleged crooked business dealings.

 

Your predictions are not very accurate.

 

Mine however is more on the mark.  “When” hell freezes over.

[Walker88]

12 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 

 

“The US Constitution, a wonderful document trump wants to toss out, has a beautiful goal of making all equal under the law.”

 

Unless of course your name is Biden or Clinton.  Then it’s a free pass with their get out of jail card.

And please don’t tell me they’re not as guilty as Trump allegedly is.

 

Citizens Biden and Clinton do get special treatment.

 

It’s worth repeating, Pure Politics!

If that makes you feel good, go ahead andf embrace the fantasy.

 

 If such silly beliefs keep snowflakes from melting or needing to run to their coloring books in their safe space, so be it.

 

I accept that equality under the law just makes trumpers go bonkers...as if they needed any help.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, G_Money said:

We have all been hearing this for years.  
 

When Trump this.  When Trump that.

 

Remember “when” he was going to lose in 2016.

 

Even long before then, “when” he goes to jail for all of his alleged crooked business dealings.

 

Your predictions are not very accurate.

 

Mine however is more on the mark.  “When” hell freezes over.

How about ‘when is he going to pay up’?

 

 

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, G_Money said:

We have all been hearing this for years.  
 

When Trump this.  When Trump that.

 

Remember “when” he was going to lose in 2016.

 

Even long before then, “when” he goes to jail for all of his alleged crooked business dealings.

 

Your predictions are not very accurate.

 

Mine however is more on the mark.  “When” hell freezes over.

Perhaps you missed it, but trump is now required to fork over $550 million that he doesn't have.

 

The wheels of justice might turn slowly when a criminal dips into the RNC war chest to pay lawyers $50 million+ to delay delay delay, but turn they do. Turn turn turn....for everything there is a season.

 

trump dies in jail, unless a stroke, heart attack or aneurysm takes him first, or maybe his own tiny hand.

 

On that glorious day, trump will finally MAGA in the only way he can.

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