BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

[pub2022]

Another war monger. Find something better to do than scaring people.

[Walker88]

Calling it the start of WWIII is a bit of hyperbole.

 

Iran has few friends in the world...a few fake and opportunistic ones like Russia and China, but neither of them cares enough to get upset if Israel attacks Iran.

 

Israel also has few friends in the world, though the ones it has are pretty powerful.

 

If Israel attacks Iran, the most the US would do is resupply Israel with weapons (which for some people is too much, for others not enough).

 

The US is not going to commit its own forces, save perhaps for a Cruise missile or two if Iran moves to block the Straits of Hormuz. Israel is quite capable of neutralizing Iran by itself, and for the US, Ukraine is of infinitely greater geopolitical significance than Israel. Since the US cannot commit massively to both, it will choose Ukraine over Israel if push comes to shove.

 

Russia might try to keep the fires burning, because as Eastern Europe's gas station, a closed down Straits of Hormuz is good for business.

 

As a scary aside, Israel has thermonuclear bombs. If they dropped one on Tehran, people in a radius of 40 miles from Ground Zero would be sucked up in the mushroom cloud.

[John Drake]

17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Israel bombed the embassy of Iran a few weeks ago. That is a big no-no.

 

There is this from wiki. I don't know how accurate wiki is, but here it is anyway: 

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It is the obligation of the country in which an embassy is located to protect the embassy, but international treaties do not expressly prohibit a third country to target diplomatic premises if they host combatants and are targeted in an act of self-defense, although a claim of self-defense cannot usually justify an attack on the territory of a country not participating in hostilities.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus

 

And it was an annex that was hit, not the embassy itself. Inside were Iranian generals who had planned October 7.

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Obama and Biden both want Iran to control the Middle East. 

Another foolish comment based on nothing rational.

 

The JCPOA was incredible effective. Rather than repeat what I wrote elsewhere, it took Iran out of the nuke game completely. That and the Stuxnet virus Obama unleashed on Iran got their attention. The JCPOA was also designed to be used as a stepping stone to additional negotiations on, for example, halting support of Shi'a terrorism.

 

trump abrogated the JCPOA for no other reason than that Obama had engineered it. Iran instantly re-started its U235 enrichment and nuke development.

 

Obama and Biden knew the days of the mullahs was almost over. WAS. The youth of Iran want modernity and secularism. The mullahs are aging and will be gone soon, but they are now using external threats to rebuild the anti-Western theocracy. What should be an incredibly successful nation will remain undeveloped and an instigator of regional strife.

[ChaiyaTH]

Sounds like a good timing, then the USA can pretend that it is not a good time to do elections.

[bkk6060]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Wondering sometimes when I read the comments in here, how many have served in the army, and how many have served in active duty in a real conflict zone.

 

or ever experienced a true physical conflict at all. 

Most probably not.  Weak, woke and twisted thinking.  Probably from "neutral" countries yet all they do is scream for help when there is a problem.

[ChaiyaTH]

11 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

As a scary aside, Israel has thermonuclear bombs. If they dropped one on Tehran, people in a radius of 40 miles from Ground Zero would be sucked up in the mushroom cloud.

The latest nuclear bunker Iran has build apparently takes like dozens of warplanes with the most heavy bombs, full loads, to then maybe reach the depth of the bunker. Israel is not capable of doing that, they would need USA for that.

 

Smart politics though, give Iran some billions knowing they will use it outside the agreement, then trigger a war that makes trillions for the industry.

[Excogitator]

Israel attacked Iran, Iran retaliated.

Nobody acts with impunity in this world, even if they think they are entitled to..

[spidermike007]

Well Iran is certainly a bad player on the world stage, they are right up with North Korea and Russia. But Israel is not exactly innocent in all of this, the disproportion nature of response to the Gaza conflict has created a tremendous degree of hatred and alienation throughout the world. 

[Excogitator]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Obama and Biden both want Iran to control the Middle East. 

And your rationale for that is what exactly?

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Smart politics though, give Iran some billions knowing they will use it outside the agreement, then trigger a war that makes trillions for the industry.

Do you mean by the US? 

Wait a minute, there's no oil in Iran 😉 

[FruitPudding]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you mean by the US? 

Wait a minute, there's no oil in Iran 😉 

 

Your profile picture is so cringy, by the way 

[rabas]

Just now, Excogitator said:

Israel attacked Iran, Iran retaliated.

Nobody acts with impunity in this world, even if they think they are entitled to..

 

Again, Israel did not attack Iran.

 

They knocked out top generals of Iran's IRGC (regional terror export org) meeting in Syria certainly planning further illegal attacks on Israel. 

 

IRGC is designated as a foreign terrorist organization (FBO). Before that in 2007 former (literally) IRGC-QF Commander Qassim Soleimani was designated as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist. Get the picture? 

 

[Pouatchee]

1 hour ago, connda said:

In case the Main Stream News which is reporting this didn't notice, Israeli bombed the Iranian embassy consulate on April 1st in violation of international diplomatic conventions that protect ALL diplomatic missions worldwide.

 

i was just watching the news and they mentioned that... which brought me back to 1979... when iran overtook the american embassy. now, after they did it 40 years ago, they are crying about an injustice? isnt that hypocrisy at its best?

[OneMoreFarang]

19 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

There is this from wiki. I don't know how accurate wiki is, but here it is anyway: 

 

And it was an annex that was hit, not the embassy itself. Inside were Iranian generals who had planned October 7.

If you like watch the video from Glenn Greenwald, which I included in my original message.

He mentions a couple of cases where there would have been "good reasons" to storm embassies, but it didn't happen because in general countries respect embassies from other countries.

Israel obviously knows this. They knew that their attack on Iran's embassy would provoke retaliation from Iran. It seems that is what Israel wanted, so that they pull the USA more and more into this conflict. And the USA obviously does what Israel wants. Sad. 

[Pouatchee]

5 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you mean by the US? 

Wait a minute, there's no oil in Iran 😉 

 

Your profile picture is so cringy, by the way 

 

dont worry, this guy is whacked in the head...

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, rabas said:

Again, Israel did not attack Iran.

They attacked Iran's embassy. Internationally an embassy it seen as the equivalent of the country.

An attack on the embassy of country X is equal to an attack on that county.

And Israel obviously did this deliberately. 

[WDSmart]

I think Iran has taken the wrong approach.

Assuming Iran has operatives in Isreal, here's what I think they should have done:
- Readied all their missiles and drones and leaked information to Israel that they would release them at the same time at the same hour Israel attacked their mission in Syria on Apr 1.

- Just before that time, increase all their military offensive preparation activity to focus Israel's attention on having their defensive forces ready.

- At the time of the Apr 1 attack, have three of their operatives in Israel kill three Israelis- three Israelis for three Iranians.

- There should be one in the north, one in the middle of Israel, and one in the south.
- The three Israelis should consist of one elderly man, one young woman (preferably a mother), and one child about ten years old.
- After these killings have been accomplished, Iran should declare its retaliatory action was over, had been successful to their satisfaction, and draw down its offensive weapons (keeping on the alert with their defensive weapons in case of offensive action from Israel.) 

That's what I would have suggested they should have.

As an explanation, doing this would show Israelis:

- They cannot depend on their superior military forces to protect them.
- They are vulnerable wherever they are.
- They are vulnerable whoever they are.

[Pouatchee]

19 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Sounds like a good timing, then the USA can pretend that it is not a good time to do elections.

 

most news stations are saying that if biden officially joins in the fight he can kiss the election goodbye

[connda]

36 minutes ago, gomangosteen said:

I wouldn't lose a second's sleep if they nuked the rest of the middle east back into little pieces of sand.

A desert reclamation program.

Call it a win for humanity.

And somewhere in the totally insane segment of your own subconscious, you actually believe that you personally will be totally unaffected by a Middle Eastern nuclear holocaust?  People like yourself simply amaze me with the depth and breadth of your ignorance.

[FruitPudding]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They attacked Iran's embassy. Internationally an embassy it seen as the equivalent of the country.

 

I remember telling that to the Thai trollop at the British Embassy. 

 

She was like, "No, this is Thailand "

[NativeBob]

funny how ballistic missiles appeared-disappeared from news.

Iron Dome is very expensive toy to play, meanwhile drones are much-much cheaper. Tonight exchange had cost IDF hell of the money, who will pay? Americans again? Funny, they could replace few <deleted> holes like Blinken and sort it way cheaper 

[FruitPudding]

8 minutes ago, connda said:

And somewhere in the totally insane segment of your own subconscious, you actually believe that you personally will be totally unaffected by a Middle Eastern nuclear holocaust? 

 

How would he be affected?

[Bkk Brian]

Meanwhile the utterly useless and bias UN, still has Iran take its turn as Chair of Conference on Disarmament 2024. Iran (18 to 29 March and 13 to 24 May),

 

Iran which is under sanctions by the United Nations, the United States, the European Union and other international bodies for refusing to halt a nuclear enrichment program.

 

Pathetic

[rabas]

1 minute ago, NativeBob said:

funny how ballistic missiles appeared-disappeared from news.

Iron Dome is very expensive toy to play, meanwhile drones are much-much cheaper. Tonight exchange had cost IDF hell of the money, who will pay? Americans again? Funny, they could replace few <deleted> holes like Blinken and sort it way cheaper 

 

Not just drones Bob, it stopped many hundreds of powerful (big) drones, ballistic missiles, and sophisticated  hypersonic and cruise missiles.  Iran was reaching for the sky, they wanted massive damage. Not a retaliatory response for a small consular building on foreign territory.

 

And they failed. 

[Neeranam]

30 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Your profile picture is so cringy, by the way 

Only if you don't believe in freedom. 

[Neeranam]

13 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

funny how ballistic missiles appeared-disappeared from news.

Iron Dome is very expensive toy to play, meanwhile drones are much-much cheaper. Tonight exchange had cost IDF hell of the money, who will pay? Americans again? Funny, they could replace few <deleted> holes like Blinken and sort it way cheaper 

Blinken has to go! 

[John Drake]

43 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Obama and Biden knew the days of the mullahs was almost over. WAS. The youth of Iran want modernity and secularism. The mullahs are aging and will be gone soon, but they are now using external threats to rebuild the anti-Western theocracy.

 

I've been hearing about an Iranian youth revolt since the 1990s. Most of them are in late middle age now. At least. Somehow, the revolution never happens. Either the government is more than capable of always beating them down, or the "modern youth" eventually age into comfortable defenders of the status quo.

[connda]

23 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Israel is not capable of doing that, they would need USA for that.

The assumption here is that the Persian civilization that developed the precursor to the game of Chess - Shatranj - doesn't have the advanced engineering capabilities to anticipate the engineering required to create bunkers that can withstand an offensive strike on their facilities by weapons developed using Western engineering?  The problem with Western war planning and strategy is hubris: underestimating the capabilities of those whom you wish to defeat and dominate.  Every Westerner knows that Iranians are just a bunch of medieval, rag-heads camel-jockeys living in the 19th Century, right?
 
But the Persian are not. 

Trust me, all of those West Point cadets who are required to read The Art Of War.  For the majority of them, it goes right over their Western-bred intellects.  And for those who understand?  They never are advanced to a position of authority as they can see strategy from multiple perspectives, which means they can see the flaws in the status-quo and the party-line linear planning that passes off as "exceptionalism."

The nature of the world is about to change.  I hope our younger generations, our sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughter, as well as they own children are able to survive.  And I use the word "Our" inclusively in include all of humanity - not just the citizens of the country in which one is born.

"Global Warming WIll Kill Us All," little NGO supported curmudgeon Greta and friends yell and scream!

 

Nope -- Thermonuclear Warming Will Kill Us All. 

<tick-tock, tick-tock, so says the nuclear-winter-clock, tick-tock, tick-tock>

[Celsius]

USA is the best. Showing the world they can stop any attack with yesterday's technology.

 

The only reason they didn't nuke Moscow is because there is still mega bucks to be made.

 

America..... F.....yeah!