Johnson warns EU against any 'Napoleonic' tariffs in no-deal Brexit

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

It is false from beginning to end to say that the referendum specified no-deal. No-deal is one option and right now neither specified in the referendum or commanding a majority in Parliament notwithstanding Hard Brexiteer tantrums.

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Continuing his own false interpretations forever. The only specifics were YES or NO.  

[nauseus]

29 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Default is within the control of Parliament. Whether Parliament wishes to exercise that Parliamentary right is a Parliamentary issue. Got it?

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The default is specified in Article 50. Part of an EU Treaty.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Continuing his own false interpretations forever. The only specifics were YES or NO.  

 

It wasn’t complicated, but as a reminder for ShuengWam and other remainers with fogged memory:- 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

All sorts of options including Parliament blocking.

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Blocking 27 other countries. Right.

[nauseus]

58 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

But spot on.

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Yup. Remain would definitely win the prize for greatest number of insults. They just can't help themselves. 

[Loiner]

If Boris is PM on Oct 31st and he doesn't want to write to the EU requesting another deadline we will be out, unless some skullduggery takes place, which I doubt. And if he does write to the EU we would be reliant on the other 27 states agreeing to that extension, which must be a little iffy to say the least.

The Remainers will probably cheat and send a postal request in Boris’s name. You know, like they cheated at the by-election.

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Would that include the made up lie that no-deal was the only option on the table decided at the referendum?

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What is this?

[Loiner]

35% is the new 50?

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Yes, it was the popular vote. The people’s vote, so it must be the winner according to some of your voting logic.

[Loiner]

The default is specified in Article 50. Part of an EU Treaty.

What does Article 50 say about a deal?

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Even Scots living out of Scotland were not allowed to vote but 16 year olds living in Scotland were allowed to vote.

Which is not related at all to my comment.

[SheungWan]

What does Article 50 say about a deal?

Nothing about no-deal..

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[vogie]

58 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Parliament will likely block it because there is no majority for no-deal. However, a crash out is still possible. Game still on.

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At least you admit that a crash out is possible, many remainers are still in denial about that.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

No, it wasnt a lie , the only option was Leave  , Leave a bit wasnt an option 

If Leave a bit was’nt an option no one told “of course we won’t be leaving the single market” Daniel Hannan? And many others who offered up conflicting versions of Leave.

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

At least you admit that a crash out is possible, many remainers are still in denial about that.

It’s possible because the EU could make it happen. I don’t think the UK will. Nor do I believe that the EU will want to trigger no deal ... so this will result in a referendum or more likely a General Election ... with Brexit no longer the Tory gift to give. 

[petemoss]

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yup. Remain would definitely win the prize for greatest number of insults. They just can't help themselves. 

Nothing could be further from the truth, but when has a Brexiteer let the truth get in the way of a good insult?

[stephenterry]

Latest quote from Johnson, which is as ironic as it gets:-

 

He adds: 'We members of this precious Union are therefore so obviously and so irrefutably more than the sum of our parts; and that is why I am a passionate believer in the Unions – all of them – and when you look at the scale of our collective achievement, I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to mutilate this country and to break it up.

 

Which is exactly what he aims to do with leaving the EU. You really can't make it up, can you? The man's a total richard-head.

[Loiner]

Nothing about no-deal..

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No need for any kind of deal then. No Deal is actually what was envisaged all along.
The traitorous WAG surrender treaty is something the EU and Remainers made up afterwards.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Yup. Remain would definitely win the prize for greatest number of insults. They just can't help themselves. 

We know their game...

[SheungWan]

No need for any kind of deal then. No Deal is actually what was envisaged all along.
The traitorous WAG surrender treaty is something the EU and Remainers made up afterwards.

"Envisaged" by the Hard Brexiteers who think that repeating a lie ad nauseum is the path to a solution. Can't push past the lack of a Parliamentary majority though, however many times they scream traitor at that long list of Enemies Of The People.

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[SheungWan]

Nothing could be further from the truth, but when has a Brexiteer let the truth get in the way of a good insult?

The "truth" is their Conspiracy Theory nationalism. Everything else is subordinate.

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[bannork]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

It wasn’t complicated, but as a reminder for ShuengWam and other remainers with fogged memory:- 

 

 

 

That doesn't say how to leave, i.e with what conditions. It's akin to asking a couple if they want to split up without any idea of who gets what. And when one partner feels 52% for to 48% against splitting up, I wager that partner would want to know what he/she would get if they called it a day.

A dumb referendum question.

[Loiner]

"Envisaged" by the Hard Brexiteers who think that repeating a lie ad nauseum is the path to a solution. Can't push past the lack of a Parliamentary majority though, however many times they scream traitor at that long list of Enemies Of The People.

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No, envisaged by the EU, who wrote the article, not us.

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

No need for any kind of deal then. No Deal is actually what was envisaged all along.
The traitorous WAG surrender treaty is something the EU and Remainers made up afterwards.

What is most important, Loiner, is what's considered best for Britain. The above post blames the EU and Remainers, as does every post of yours. Please bear in mind that the Democratic majority of parliament  - and most likely the whole UK if it came to it - are not willing to sanction any no-deal as it is not best for Britain - as can be factually proven by the Tory government's own published reports. 

 

The SOLE reason that they're actually pursuing a Brexit loss-leader is to SAVE FACE - nothing more. No matter, they'll be cast aside at the next GE when Brexit will be flushed down the Khazi.

 

Good riddance. 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by stephenterry
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[vogie]

4 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

What is most important, Loiner, is what's considered best for Britain. The above post blames the EU and Remainers, as does every post of yours. Please bear in mind that the majority of parliament  - and most likely the whole UK if it came to it - are not willing to sanction any no-deal as it is not best for Britain - as can be factually proven by the Tory government's own published reports. 

 

The SOLE reason that they're actually pursuing a Brexit loss-leader is to SAVE FACE - nothing more. No matter, they'll be cast aside at the next GE when Brexit will be flushed down the Khazi.

 

Good riddance. 

 

 

That is your interpretation and judging by your past posts, heavily biased, most people still want to leave the EU whether with a deal or no deal.

The EU, if you like are forcing the UKs hand, they, the EU, are showing total intransigence to resolving the matter, if they are unwilling to discuss the joint problems which they will also incur, there is very little we can do, so any decision that has to be made on Oct 31st will be on their shoulders, we will be only be doing what we are forced into. 

[petemoss]

20 minutes ago, vogie said:

That is your interpretation and judging by your past posts, heavily biased, most people still want to leave the EU whether with a deal or no deal.

The EU, if you like are forcing the UKs hand, they, the EU, are showing total intransigence to resolving the matter, if they are unwilling to discuss the joint problems which they will also incur, there is very little we can do, so any decision that has to be made on Oct 31st will be on their shoulders, we will be only be doing what we are forced into. 

According to recent polls most people do not now want to leave the EU which is why Brexiteers are terrified of a second referendum. You must also remember that a lot less than 50% of the electorate actually voted to leave. Many remainers didn't vote as they assumed that as they had consistently led in the polls it would be an easy victory for remain.

 

The EU spent 3 years discussing the terms of our departure and agreed terms with the UK negotiation team. They have understandably said "Enough is enough" and there will be no more negotiations.

 

That leaves 3 choices, accept the negotiated agreement, which neither Parliament, hard core Brexiteers nor the majority of Brits want, leave without a deal, which parliament, the EU and the British people don't want, or remain, which the EU want, the British people want,  and if they were being honest, the majority of MPs want.

 

Given that, where do you think we'll end up?

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by petemoss

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

What is most important, Loiner, is what's considered best for Britain. The above post blames the EU and Remainers, as does every post of yours. Please bear in mind that the Democratic majority of parliament  - and most likely the whole UK if it came to it - are not willing to sanction any no-deal as it is not best for Britain - as can be factually proven by the Tory government's own published reports. 

 

The SOLE reason that they're actually pursuing a Brexit loss-leader is to SAVE FACE - nothing more. No matter, they'll be cast aside at the next GE when Brexit will be flushed down the Khazi.

 

Good riddance. 

 

 

Yes, I especially find the consistent blaming of every one else astounding.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, petemoss said:

According to recent polls most people do not now want to leave the EU which is why Brexiteers are terrified of a second referendum. You must also remember that a lot less than 50% of the electorate actually voted to leave. Many remainers didn't vote as they assumed that as they had consistently led in the polls it would be an easy victory for remain.

 

The EU spent 3 years discussing the terms of our departure and agreed terms with the UK negotiation team. They have understandably said "Enough is enough" and there will be no more negotiations.

 

That leaves 3 choices, accept the negotiated agreement, which neither Parliament, hard cor Brexiteers nor the majority of Brits want, leave without a deal, which parliament, the EU and the British people don't want, or remain.

 

Given that, where do you think we'll end up?

You are one of these that are including babies, children and under 18s, oh and lets not forget the people who just couldn't be bothered to vote. If we say that 52% voted to leave and 48% voted to remain we will know where we stand with each other, let's not spin numbers eh.

 

The rest of your post is all speculation, 'only leavers lied,' of course the remainers are as pure as the driven snow.

 

Here is a recent poll that refutes your claim.

 

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are one of these that are including babies, children and under 18s, oh and lets not forget the people who just couldn't be bothered to vote. If we say that 52% voted to leave and 48% voted to remain we will know where we stand with each other, let's not spin numbers eh.

 

The rest of your post is all speculation, 'only leavers lied,' of course the remainers are as pure as the driven snow.

 

Here is a recent poll that refutes your claim.

 

What you don't note is yougove's ranking of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place choices. in the most recent survey the winner of 2nd preference was for soft brexit. 3rd preference, leave with May's deal. And the winner of the least popular choice category was hard Brexit.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ete4gzwp4j/UCL_Brexit_190529_w.pdf

[billd766]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Which is not related at all to my comment.

I thought it was as you asked the question 

 

quote " On 6/29/2019 at 6:47 PM, stevenl said:
Are you one of the many who said the Scottish question should also be asked to other UK countries?"

[Henryford]

Put a 100% tariff on all EUSSR cars and wine. See how they like that.