"We're all in this together"

 

"This is the new normal"

 

"Stay safe, stay home".

 

These and more catchphrases gush out of every mainstream media orifice you could think of.  This lockdown is forever, it's not going away. The September 11th attacks were almost 20 years ago and yet you still need to take your shoes off at security, can't bring on liquids or gels either.  Same thing with this.  No more travel, can't go out in public without being muzzled up like a dog, only industries left will be Amazon and Walmart.  I've seen a lot of friends post on facebook pining for the pre covid America, which was horrendous before even all of this happened. Don't know what will happen from this point forward, but if I can get out of the US to somewhere stable I'll consider myself lucky.

Try Mexico......

If there is a 2nd and 3rd wave now will seem like the good old days....

This is like the Black Death except the government did it to us. The virus has hardly killed anyone on a global scale- cars kill more.

23 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

if I can get out of the US to somewhere stable I'll consider myself lucky.

Go to Sweden then. Most of the other western countries are as bad as the US.

i don't think those rules apply in Africa

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go to Sweden then. Most of the other western countries are as bad as the US.

I dont think they can allow the Sweden anomaly...To continue to make all other countries look they are in overkill mode....

37 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

Don't know what will happen from this point forward, but if I can get out of the US to somewhere stable I'll consider myself lucky.

If you are saying that the US is not stable, i may start to be worried.

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go to Sweden then. Most of the other western countries are as bad as the US.

 

From Johns Hopkins as of May 1:

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May 1, 2020

 

EPI UPDATE The WHO COVID-19 Situation Report for April 30 reports 3.09 million confirmed cases (71,839 new) and 217,769 deaths (9,797 new) worldwide. 

 

 

Almost 10,000 dead from COVID around the world per day.

 

As for the U.S.:

 

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The US CDC reported 1.03 million total cases (26,512 new) and 60,057 deaths (2,552 new). This is the second consecutive day of increasing incidence...

 

In recent days, more than 2000 Americans have been dying each and every day from the pandemic.

 

The numbers speak for themselves. And by many accounts, the official stats probably continue to considerably undercount both the actual infections and deaths.

 

On 5/3/2020 at 11:50 AM, sukhumvitneon said:

can't bring on liquids or gels either

This isn't because of 9/11.  It's because of a plot to use liquids as bombs.  

On 5/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

This is like the Black Death except the government did it to us. The virus has hardly killed anyone on a global scale- cars kill more.

So sick of hearing people compare deaths from covid to crashes or whatever Yes, cars kill more people, except cars don’t follow you home and try to kill your family and friends or anyone to interact with directly or indirectly.

2 minutes ago, DeusExMachinaBKK said:

So sick of hearing people compare deaths from covid to crashes or whatever Yes, cars kill more people, except cars don’t follow you home and try to kill your family and friends or anyone to interact with directly or indirectly.

The word they look past is exponential... 

On 5/3/2020 at 11:50 AM, sukhumvitneon said:

if I can get out of the US to somewhere stable I'll consider myself lucky.

actually, I consider myself lucky to live in Thailand - - same as 20 years ago... but if you think everything is a conspiracy, and you bring your brain with you, you will be equally unhappy anywhere you go... 

I feel safer in Thailand than I would in Australia. The USA? Personal freedom was what let the virus spread so readily there, aided by Trump's incompetence.

Its what gets implemented, passed in to law because of a "situation" but is never withdrawn after its over.

That's the concern for many,.

On 5/3/2020 at 6:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

This is like the Black Death except the government did it to us. The virus has hardly killed anyone on a global scale- cars kill more.

 

How many people have to die from a "new" threat, illness, mortality source, before it needs to be "addressed"?

 

What is the criteria for taking action?

 

Because of proactive management of road safety cars "only" kill about 4000 a year in the UK.

 

The latest viral threat (COVID) has killed more people in 2 months (in the UK) than road deaths in the UK would in 5 years.

 

Not enough?

 

Wait until 500,000 dead before taking action?

 

500,000 could be easily achieved in the UK......and in Thailand for that matter.

 

5 million?.......in Thailand?........including curmudgeonly, censorious, old, de-socialised, "bubble dwelling" expats?

 

 

 

 

On 5/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

This is like the Black Death except the government did it to us. The virus has hardly killed anyone on a global scale- cars kill more.

You have a strange idea of 'hardly killed anyone'.

 

In case you haven't noticed the lockdown has also dramatically reduced road deaths. Win Win.  

On 5/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

This is like the Black Death except the government did it to us. The virus has hardly killed anyone on a global scale- cars kill more.

After every major event things change.  But then again things change with time.

Yes things changed after 9/11 before we were in a world where only countries did the things that bin laden did.  ISIS was not even around.

The west is now waking up to a world that is not a pretty as they thought.Western countries are ot immune to things in Asia.  

Life here will go on as it has in the past.  many people will wear face masks.  Private and semi private schools will ensure that kids learn to wear them when they are sick.

We will be careful of where we put things or what we touch.  

After we go to the bathroom we will wash our hands.

We are not going to go with the girl that says 200 baht short time that has not washed.

People will be more careful about their drinks.  Beer in an unopened bottle is going to be a big hit again for awhile. 

This pandemic is now worse than Ebola. There is no hoax, this is a very dangerous virus. Most people who enter hospital with it are dead within two weeks, and around 30 percent are dying of the 100 percent who enter the hospital. There are doctors popping up all over the place who have their opinion and agenda. I listen to my own intelligence and weed out some of the nonsense people are spouting. You can take all the risks you want......I have no desire ln becoming another statistic and a small footnote in the history of this virus. I have a family and a responsibility to keep them safe and myself. These people in America saying Give me freedom or Death. I would be very careful what you ask for, because you will probably get it, and maybe not your first choice.
I just read the article you are pushing. One supposedly eminent doctor said it is no worse than some flu’s. What utter nonsense, and dangerous nonsense at that. When the flu season hits we don’t see doctors and nurses dressed from head to toe protecting themselves because their fellow workers are dying from the virus. With flu we don’t see people being buried in mass graves in New York. With the flu patients they  didn’t usually die so quickly. If Boris Johnson had the flu nobody would have cared, but the virus nearly took his life......literally 50/50 for him. Any doctor can write anything on the Internet, but it doesn’t make it fact.

On 5/2/2020 at 10:36 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

From Johns Hopkins as of May 1:

 

Almost 10,000 dead from COVID around the world per day.

 

As for the U.S.:

 

 

In recent days, more than 2000 Americans have been dying each and every day from the pandemic.

 

The numbers speak for themselves. And by many accounts, the official stats probably continue to considerably undercount both the actual infections and deaths.

 

May I point out that on any normal PRE-COVID day in U.S.A. an AVERAGE of 8,500 people die, every winter day, (and around 7,000 per day in the warmer months) mainly of course from respiratory ailments. I believe this to be the most gargantuan hoax ever perpetrated on the human race, and to call it a pandemic verges on the criminal. The Black Plague WAS a pandemic, killing 50% of the population in Europe at the time. This load of spin invites a comparison between 50 and 0.007% !

24 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

May I point out that on any normal PRE-COVID day in U.S.A. an AVERAGE of 8,500 people die, every winter day, (and around 7,000 per day in the warmer months) mainly of course from respiratory ailments. I believe this to be the most gargantuan hoax ever perpetrated on the human race, and to call it a pandemic verges on the criminal. The Black Plague WAS a pandemic, killing 50% of the population in Europe at the time. This load of spin invites a comparison between 50 and 0.007% !

 

Let me guess you also think that vaccines do not work, Kennedy was assassinated by the FBI and the mob, we never landed on the moon and of course there really is an Easter bunny and tooth fairy.

 

Oh I forgot Elvis is still alive.

Few people seem to have realised yet that the world our grandparents fought for, and which we and our parents spent our whole lives building, has gone forever. Even if they develop effective vaccines, and tests for asymptomatic carriers, we're unlikely to be able to go back to what once was. The economic damage done is probably already too great, we're almost all going to be poorer in the future than would otherwise have been the case, and few if any governments will give back all the powers they've grabbed to handle the crisis so we'll end up living in a much less-free society. Have a look at the leader in the latest Economist magazine, "The 90% Economy". China is back working at around 90% of its economic capacity, but the missing 10% includes large chunks of what people used to regard as everyday life, like eating in restaurants, and so on.

3 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Few people seem to have realised yet that the world our grandparents fought for, and which we and our parents spent our whole lives building, has gone forever. Even if they develop effective vaccines, and tests for asymptomatic carriers, we're unlikely to be able to go back to what once was. The economic damage done is probably already too great, we're almost all going to be poorer in the future than would otherwise have been the case, and few if any governments will give back all the powers they've grabbed to handle the crisis so we'll end up living in a much less-free society. Have a look at the leader in the latest Economist magazine, "The 90% Economy". China is back working at around 90% of its economic capacity, but the missing 10% includes large chunks of what people used to regard as everyday life, like eating in restaurants, and so on.

Guderiean  The big thing that will or should change is the dependence all companies have on China.  I think the biggest thing that has come out of this is how much the world is dependent on China for almost everything we have or need.

 

Meds

Toiletries

PPE

cell phones.

electronics.

 

If people are smart and stock holders start to understand what they and the countries have done I think you will see a rise in the cost of things in the U.S. and a lot of companies being forced to make in the US. 

Just as the British found out in WW2 it is amazing how vulnerable you are as a superpower if you have to rely on other countries for what you need on a daily basis.

 

If nothing this puts a new spin on TRUMPS MADE IN AMERICA campaign 

Get a Grip!

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I feel safer in Thailand than I would in Australia. The USA? Personal freedom was what let the virus spread so readily there, aided by Trump's incompetence.

except that if one applies that concept to China?

- where the ratio of personal freedom vs CCP virus transmission 

 is opposite! 

Just keep doing what Thai people have been doing since Dec/Jan due to PM 2.5. Wear mask and don't touch anything in public.  It'll be ok.

 

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On 5/3/2020 at 12:36 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

From Johns Hopkins as of May 1:

 

Almost 10,000 dead from COVID around the world per day.

 

As for the U.S.:

 

 

In recent days, more than 2000 Americans have been dying each and every day from the pandemic.

 

The numbers speak for themselves. And by many accounts, the official stats probably continue to considerably undercount both the actual infections and deaths.

 

Actually, the numbers don’t speak for themselves as this is the latest from the CDC and a whopping 4 new deaths in the US as per worldometers, for yesterday.

16 minutes ago, Guderian said:

few if any governments will give back all the powers they've grabbed to handle the crisis

And this is the big one. Governments have pushed through rules, regulations, and laws aimed at controlling the masses and they are not going to scrap these laws.

47 minutes ago, Mansell said:

This pandemic is now worse than Ebola. There is no hoax, this is a very dangerous virus. Most people who enter hospital with it are dead within two weeks, and around 30 percent are dying of the 100 percent who enter the hospital.

From New York City's health department:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

The virus primarily kills the elderly and the weak (pre-existing conditions like heart disease and diabetes, as well the as the immunodeficient). Most people have little to worry about from this virus according to every statistic that exists.