Honestly, Im American and I was in Bangkok last March. So the Chinese are due to return, great that means the airports are going to reopen and I can get back to Thailand soon. I feel this virus has been overblown!

On 5/16/2020 at 4:06 PM, worgeordie said:

I wonder what they will bring in with them this time !

regards Worgeordie

...a sack full of apologies.

 

Irrespective of figures, China will always be on the "good" list - why? As I have quoted previously (from Culture Trip):-

 

"and the mid-20th century saw 50 Thai-Chinese families control between 80-90% of the overall market capitalisation of the economy" (as they do today in the 21st century).

..not the everyday people..just their evil regime and draconian food display/presentation and handling abilities..all this indirectly sent our restaurant broke...RIP all those victims of Sars-2 CoViD-19 and all those who lost their jobs and savings/investments.

On 5/16/2020 at 4:01 AM, Stadtler said:

Do you believe them?  And will you be welcoming the influx of people from CHINA back to Thailand?

If it's up to me I won't allow dirty desease ridden arrogant people from the West. Open up Casinos and allow invite Chinese. It will make Thaiand rivall Macao, the richest country in the World.

The numbers from the UK are correct as far as the government says. Their foreign secretary claimed the reason that the UK numbers are so high is because the UK has the best statistical office in the world..  ???????? ..

 

And then it turned out they have not counted 10,000 deaths in old people's homes whose death certificates mention "probable COVID" but they were never tested.....

I believe there is a new wave of the virus sweeping through china, as of yesterday more than 1500 villages/towns in lock down.  Chinese government going crazy trying to eliminate the posts about it,  obviously they don't want the world to know about it but many have expected it. Let them flood back into Thailand!!

12 minutes ago, EvetsKram said:

I believe there is a new wave of the virus sweeping through china, as of yesterday more than 1500 villages/towns in lock down.  Chinese government going crazy trying to eliminate the posts about it,  obviously they don't want the world to know about it but many have expected it. Let them flood back into Thailand!!

Then they're not doing a very good job of it are they?

 

Neither are you, actually. The flap is about preventing new contacts, up north in Jilin, not a second wave at all.

 

So you believed wrongly.

How do you know they are Chinese Tourists, it could be Government Minsters on Day Trip to the Sea Side.

12 minutes ago, EvetsKram said:

I believe there is a new wave of the virus sweeping through china, as of yesterday more than 1500 villages/towns in lock down.  Chinese government going crazy trying to eliminate the posts about it,  obviously they don't want the world to know about it but many have expected it. Let them flood back into Thailand!!

A nearly fully wrong post. No new wave but just a few clusters and action to prevent them to increase. Main lockdowned city is Harbin and this news is in all media! Still very few new contaminated people in China.

My feeling is that I will carry a bat withe me, a nice base ball bat.

I think the world is sick of the BS coming from the CCP. Thailand has to appear to be in the good books with China otherwise the CCP will start to bully Thailand and ban tourists from visiting here, that the way the CCP works. 

Removed a post discussing moderation (forum rule 10)

On 5/16/2020 at 4:36 PM, tomazbodner said:

No numbers from anyone are believable. The only way they could be is if everyone was tested and every sickness documented. That didn't happen. So we're left with data on 1% of cases or less, and statistics for everything else.

 

I remember saying... There are lies, gross likes, and then there are statistics...

 

You can twist the numbers any way you wish in statistics by choosing what you include, and where you count it. For example: a man has a COVID and influenza. He dies. Maybe you don't even know which of them killed him. Does he go on COVID statistics or influenza statistics, or both?

 

Stats are twisted in other fields as well. Like Thailand only counting victims of traffic accidents if they are dead on the spot, but not if they die in ambulance or hospital. Nor if they die of accident-triggered health problem later. If they wanted to make number look high, they'd include all these numbers.

 

Hence it all comes down to agenda of those making the rules. If they want numbers high, they'll include everything that is in any way connected to the problem. If they want them low, they'll filter out whatever they can. Everyone government has an agenda. Rules are there to fit it. Hence none of the numbers are correct.

 

Question is mute and therefore irrelevant.

Mute because no one knows the true China number - other countries and globally (previous poster made this point). Irrelevant question based on the first point.

Perhaps what might be relevant to ponder is the possible subtext of this question; I wonder id this: A focus on China being misleading (deliberately, or otherwise ineptly bumbling) regarding declared case numbers and that this is somehow tied to other ideas, notions, and ideological undercurrents perhaps eluded to within the question. 

 

5 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Honestly, Im American and I was in Bangkok last March. So the Chinese are due to return, great that means the airports are going to reopen and I can get back to Thailand soon. I feel this virus has been overblown!

I‘m afraid it will be opened for Chinese only, and possibly Koreans.

1 hour ago, DUNROAMIN said:

I think the world is sick of the BS coming from the CCP. Thailand has to appear to be in the good books with China otherwise the CCP will start to bully Thailand and ban tourists from visiting here, that the way the CCP works. 

Name another country that China has ever banned tourists from outside of a medical emergency?

They are not worth 100 Baht each. Waste of oxygen. 

On 5/16/2020 at 5:58 PM, chippendale said:

Little Thailand and the toy generals must kowtow to their Chinese masters.

Yes weak

On 5/16/2020 at 5:06 PM, metisdead said:

A post using a derogatory slang "deleted" comment has been removed.  

Never heard that word before. I learned something today.

I was actually shocked to see that 22 people actually believe the reports from the CCP. They spout nothing but propaganda. Their 'reporting' is worse that Reuters, CNN and MSNBC.

The irony is that Thailand over the years have put in policies to protect the sovereignty of the kingdom (foreigners can’t buy land for example) and the Thai manufacturing industry / local jobs by forcing international companies to set up in Thailand rather than import their goods (crazy import duties etc). And for right or wrong all done at the cost of rapid expansion and reliance on “outsiders”. But here Thailand stands - mesmerised by China because at first glance it looks like the easy choice. 

We need to remember it isn't the people the problem is the Chinese communist leaders.  They like us buy Chinese goods phones, T.V. the list is endless because our own leaders have sold us out to everything made in China. The Chinese leaders say jump you say how high that is what the NBA did so it shouldn't be a surprise that their people do the same and the Thai leader too. ????

21 hours ago, Traubert said:

Name another country that China has ever banned tourists from outside of a medical emergency?

Missed the point, nothing to do with banned tourist, just an example of how the CCP works, Spend some time looking CCP history and into what the CCP wants to achieve at any cost.

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/new-china-lockdown-outbreak-dongbei-ccp/

A new outbreak and lock down in China’s North East region of Dongbei is sending shock waves through the nation, with authorities dismissing government and party officials, and with the Chinese Vice Premier being dispatched to a major city affected.

 

 

Still on that good list?  I guess nothing matters if comes to letting the Chinese resume spreading the virus into Thailand.

 

Money talks, and bulls&$t walks.

 

10 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/new-china-lockdown-outbreak-dongbei-ccp/

A new outbreak and lock down in China’s North East region of Dongbei is sending shock waves through the nation, with authorities dismissing government and party officials, and with the Chinese Vice Premier being dispatched to a major city affected.

 

 

Still on that good list?  I guess nothing matters if comes to letting the Chinese resume spreading the virus into Thailand.

 

Money talks, and bulls&$t walks.

 

Is your reference The National Pulse' a reliable news source? 

2 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Is your reference The National Pulse' a reliable news source? 

You need more?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/now-it-starts-again-new-coronavirus-outbreaks-spark-unease-in-china

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8248709/China-puts-city-10-million-lockdown-detecting-new-outbreak.html

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-eyes-second-coronavirus-outbreak-in-china

 

 

On 5/16/2020 at 10:27 AM, Yankeesvsredsox said:

Chinese  are nice people but the way they have gone about butchering has caused a world crisis 

I don't have an issue with them per se - some of the women can be absolute stunners - it's this whole culture of messing with animals for this or that 'ailment' (which has screwed the world), the disgusting CCP and their unrelenting need to never be wrong, and those F coaches! I feel nothing about the 'good visitors' list because it was inevitable... look at the numpty in charge.

1 hour ago, Stadtler said:

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/new-china-lockdown-outbreak-dongbei-ccp/

A new outbreak and lock down in China’s North East region of Dongbei is sending shock waves through the nation, with authorities dismissing government and party officials, and with the Chinese Vice Premier being dispatched to a major city affected.

 

 

Still on that good list?  I guess nothing matters if comes to letting the Chinese resume spreading the virus into Thailand.

 

Money talks, and bulls&$t walks.

 

 

it appears the method the chinese have chosen to deal with small clusters/outbreaks is to seal off affected housing complexes, or neighborhoods, or entire city districts, depending on the size of the outbreak and apparent spread.  they will use their superduper police surveillance to track every movement of the infected, find anyone they came within a meter of for the prior two weeks, test them and trace their contacts if necessary.  all the while testing thousands or tens of thousands of residents until they can put out the little embers before they catch the house on fire.

 

it looks like overkill, and makes for glorious doomporn clickbait headlines, but it should be effective.  is it a bad thing if they can manage to keep it under control?

 

 

On 5/19/2020 at 12:53 PM, Pedrogaz said:

 I voted yes. And broadly speaking they are similar to other Asian countries with quite a low fatality rate. Fatality rates in Europe and the US are much, much higher 92or 4 times as high). Which indicates to me, two different viruses, or a virus that has lower virulence in Asians.

In the US the virus on the east coast came from Italy and has high mortality.....by contrast the mortality rate in California where the virus came from Japan is much lower.

I voted Yes too. China is an authoritarian regime with a top notch surveillance technology, inhabited with people who generally follow the rules. All this should work quite well in suppressing a pandemics. Of course no country can be 100% correct at any given time.