Trump says he will leave the White House if Electoral College votes for Biden

[Justgrazing]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump arrives for the presentation (and pardoning) of the 73rd National Thanksgiving Turkey in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, U.S., November 24, 2020.

 

to which turkey is rumoured to have gobbled

 " thanks but you'd better start saving them for yourself " .. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

Saving face?

Strange behaviours for a person trying to save face.

He is successfully making himself not only petulant, but proving his own delusional incompetence. 
Are the Trump/Krushners still there or they deserted him in his hour of need ?

They have been strangely silent, for a few days. 

In his mind for his image.

His whole shtick is never being a loser even when he has been which has been often.

He doesn't feel like he can maintain his base as a loser so he has manufactured this big lie that the election was stolen from him.

Then he can maintain the fiction that he's still a winner victimized by the bad people. The bad people being the majority of Americans 

Very sick stuff but he is what he is.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, suzannegoh said:

 

Take it up with SCOTUS, it was their decision not mine.

Can't. They're there for life. A very dangerous decision. 

[herfiehandbag]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The newly added Barrett, installed flouting convention as usual, is a devout Roman Catholic, so it was highly predictable how she would vote. A triumph of religious dogma over common sense.

Actually the "mainstream" RC church has been very much onside with pandemic protection measures, social distancing in the churches, streaming Mass and so on - I speak as a "left footer".

 

Mrs Barrett belongs to a rather more "evangelical" group within the Church, "speaking in tongues" and the like, (no I don't mean Latin!) There are a number of such groups kicking around, one thing that they all seem to have in common is a strong dislike of The Pope - he is from Argentina so I think that is the basis of it!

[joecoolfrog]

15 hours ago, Kelsall said:

So if it goes to the House of Representatives he is not leaving, which we already knew.

Trump despises losers , what must he think of pathetic ones who cant even face reality? I hear he has taken down all the mirrors in the White House !

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

In his mind for his image.

His whole shtick is never being a loser even when he has been which has been often.

He doesn't feel like he can maintain his base as a loser so he has manufactured this big lie that the election was stolen from him.

Then he can maintain the fiction that he's still a winner victimized by the bad people. The bad people being the majority of Americans 

Very sick stuff but he is what he is.

That probably sums it up nicely , though I cant quite exclude the notion that he has actually become insane !

[bendejo]

Keeping up the fraud facade is also another way to keep the money coming in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/13/trump-fundraising-pac-recount/

https://www.businessinsider.com/donations-trump-leadership-pac-pay-family-finance-2024-presidential-bid-2020-11

 

So, here's this guy claiming to be worth $11 billion, and people who get their hands dirty making their living are giving $$ to him.  How dumb do you have to be for..., umm, never mind.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by bendejo

[candide]

The moron is still in an alternate universe! ????

 

"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-biden-illegally-obtained-white-house

[pkspeaker]

19 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He can walk or be dragged out. That's kind of a choice. ???? 

who is gonna drag him out?  The million maga marchers and most of the cops, military, and militia types are on Trumps side.. and they could always just red-shirt it.. or yellow-shirt it.. and occupy Government House while demanding political concessions. . those protest movements can operate independently of their preferred candidate

Edited November 27, 2020 by pkspeaker

[suzannegoh]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Can't. They're there for life. A very dangerous decision. 

What's dangerous is trampling on the constitution whenever people get scared.  This is the 2nd time in 20 years (with the first one being in the aftermath of 911)where conventional wisdom was that the constitution was is too restrictive to be practical to follow under such dire circumstances.

 

The president could declare a state of emergency as Lincoln did, when he suspended habeous corpus and a lot of other things, and the newspapers in the north accused him (Lincoln) of being a dictator. Trump likewise would have been accused of being a dictator ih hs had done even a tenth of the things that CNN says that he should have done to control Covid.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

who is gonna drag him out?  The million maga marchers and most of the cops, military, and militia types are on Trumps side.. and they could always just red-shirt it.. or yellow-shirt it.. and occupy Government House while demanding political concessions. . those protest movements can operate independently of their preferred candidate

You don't have much faith, or understanding, in 'rule of law'.  If the fool refuses to obey a lawful order to leave, I assume it will be the Secret Service who escorts him out.

 

Do you mean the few thousand that called themselves million maga marchers?

 

The professionals in the US military are sworn to defend the Constitution, not Trump.  Support for Trump among those in uniform is not nearly as strong as you think.

 

There will be a bloody mess if one or more militias use armed force in an attempt to 'defend' Trump in the White House, but they will lose and those not killed will be arrested and charged.

 

As far as civilians occupying buildings in D.C.; there are a lot more civilians who want to see Trump gone than those who want him to stay.

 

You seem to forget that Trump lost by a considerable margin in the popular vote and will lose by a wide margin in the electoral college vote.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

who is gonna drag him out?  The million maga marchers and most of the cops, military, and militia types are on Trumps side.. and they could always just red-shirt it.. or yellow-shirt it.. and occupy Government House while demanding political concessions. . those protest movements can operate independently of their preferred candidate

You have an overactive imagination. Mr. Trump is not a real strong man. He just plays one on t.v. He will be out of the white house by January 20 and possibly much earlier. 

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And the Great Reneger tergiversates again!

Trump appears to backtrack on pledge to leave White House

On Thursday, Mr Trump said he would leave the White House if Mr Biden beats him in the Electoral College. On Friday, he backtracked on the pledge and appended a number of additional conditions that Mr Biden would have to meet to ensure the president's peaceful exit from the White House.  

Mr Trump's tweet repeated unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.  

Trump appears to backtrack on pledge to leave White House | The Independent

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34 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

What's dangerous is trampling on the constitution whenever people get scared.  This is the 2nd time in 20 years (with the first one being in the aftermath of 911)where conventional wisdom was that the constitution was is too restrictive to be practical to follow under such dire circumstances.

 

The president could declare a state of emergency as Lincoln did, when he suspended habeous corpus and a lot of other things, and the newspapers in the north accused him (Lincoln) of being a dictator. Trump likewise would have been accused of being a dictator ih hs had done even a tenth of the things that CNN says that he should have done to control Covid.

Yes, I remember well in school how we were taught how Lincoln defied the results of the 1864 Presidential elections despite McClellan's victory. That was in my Alternative Reality Civics class.

Can you list those things that CNN called for Trump to do that would have resulted in him being called a dictator? Links please.

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13 hours ago, suzannegoh said:

The "problem" is that there is no pandemic exception to this clause in the constitution:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Court decisions since independent have interpreted that broadly, such that the restriction applies not only to congress but to any government agency or elected official.

No. The problem is that you are unfamiliar with judicial history regarding this clause. It was just 5 months ago that the Supreme Court ruled oppositely on this question. Even in the current case, the Supreme Court didn't rule that the right of religion is paramount. They just claimed that the standard set by Governor Cuomo was too severe.

If your take on the clause was correct, then in the name of religion any believer would have an absolute right to do as she or he pleased, no matter how much it endangered others as long as the act was committed in the name of their religion. Clearly this is nonsense.

[suzannegoh]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes, I remember well in school how we were taught how Lincoln defied the results of the 1864 Presidential elections despite McClellan's victory. That was in my Alternative Reality Civics class.

Can you list those things that CNN called for Trump to do that would have resulted in him being called a dictator? Links please.

Look it up.   It had nothing to do with the election, but Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in 1963.  Also, if you're not just pretending to be ignorant of history,look up "Copperheads" and read some of the things that the newspapers in New York were saying about Lincoln at the time.  It wasn't until after his death that Lincoln developed the image of a saint.

The most obvious example of what would have caused Trump to be called a dictator would be if he had ordered a nationwide quarantine. That would have been called martial law and unless he did it concurrently with the Congress declaring war on someone it would have been an unconstitutional order. 

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2 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

Look it up.   It had nothing to do with the election, but Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in 1963.  Also, if you're not just pretending to be ignorant of history,look up "Copperheads" and read some of the things that the newspapers in New York were saying about Lincoln at the time.  It wasn't until after his death that Lincoln developed the image of a saint.

The most obvious example of what would have caused Trump to be called a dictator would be if he had ordered a nationwide quarantine. That would have been called martial law and unless he did it concurrently with the Congress declaring war on someone it would have been an unconstitutional order. 

But he didn't cancel elections did he?

And stop deflecting. Here is the claim of yours that I challenged:

 "Trump likewise would have been accused of being a dictator ih hs had done even a tenth of the things that CNN says that he should have done to control Covid."

I asked you to back that up. So far, you haven't.

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in 1963.

No, he did not.

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11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, he did not.

Yeah, he did for the area between Washington and Philadelphia. 5 years later the Supreme court ruled that his order was unconstitutional.

Edited November 28, 2020 by placeholder

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yeah, he did for the area between Washington and Philadelphia. 4 years later the Supreme court ruled that his order was unconstitutional.

Must have been done from the aftermath.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

who is gonna drag him out?  The million maga marchers and most of the cops, military, and militia types are on Trumps side.. and they could always just red-shirt it.. or yellow-shirt it.. and occupy Government House while demanding political concessions. . those protest movements can operate independently of their preferred candidate

 

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1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Maybe the Secret Service will heroically defend Trump out of gratitude for him unnecessarily exposing them to Covid-19. Because they're suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe the Secret Service will heroically defend Trump out of gratitude for him unnecessarily exposing them to Covid-19. Because they're suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

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I am sure one main difference between POTUS and the guys who protect him is that is any of the Secret Service Agents would be mentally unstable he would be removed right away. Now with POTUS that is a different story...

[Tug]

Oh he’s going kicking and screaming or most likely in the wee hours of the morning close to Jan 20 slinking out with his tie between his legs as quietly as possible one thing is certain imo he doesent have the dignity or class to turn over like ALL of his predecessors have just pathetic and a disgrace 

[Jeffr2]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe the Secret Service will heroically defend Trump out of gratitude for him unnecessarily exposing them to Covid-19. Because they're suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

The Secret Service guys are pretty hard core. Willing to take  a bullet for the POTUS.  But on Jan 20th, that will be a new POTUS.  So yes, they could be the ones to boot him out.  But I doubt that will happen.  Trump will either make his leaving a big event to help with donations to his legal fees fund, or, leave under cover of darkness.  I hope they have to drag him out. LOL

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh he’s going kicking and screaming or most likely in the wee hours of the morning close to Jan 20 slinking out with his tie between his legs as quietly as possible one thing is certain imo he doesent have the dignity or class to turn over like ALL of his predecessors have just pathetic and a disgrace 

As some are suggesting, he could resign on the 19th and have POTUS Pence give him and his entire family a pardon.

[suzannegoh]

46 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But he didn't cancel elections did he?

And stop deflecting. Here is the claim of yours that I challenged:

 "Trump likewise would have been accused of being a dictator ih hs had done even a tenth of the things that CNN says that he should have done to control Covid."

I asked you to back that up. So far, you haven't.

Cancelled elections is a non sequtor.  Neither Lincoln nor Trump did that.

The example that I have of an action called for by CNN which would have caused Trump to be called a dictator was implementing a nationwide lockdown.

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by suzannegoh

[pkspeaker]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

You don't have much faith, or understanding, in 'rule of law'.  If the fool refuses to obey a lawful order to leave, I assume it will be the Secret Service who escorts him out.

 

Do you mean the few thousand that called themselves million maga marchers?

 

The professionals in the US military are sworn to defend the Constitution, not Trump.  Support for Trump among those in uniform is not nearly as strong as you think.

 

There will be a bloody mess if one or more militias use armed force in an attempt to 'defend' Trump in the White House, but they will lose and those not killed will be arrested and charged.

 

As far as civilians occupying buildings in D.C.; there are a lot more civilians who want to see Trump gone than those who want him to stay.

 

You seem to forget that Trump lost by a considerable margin in the popular vote and will lose by a wide margin in the electoral college vote.

And you have to much confidence in the 'rule of law'.. we often have 2 opinions as to what the rule of law is.  You think America and it's divided society is so much better than this country?  You don't think this country has 'rule of law'?  Then why am I so much safer from crime in this country than I am back in america?  there are alot of people in America, mostly 2nd amendment types that feel their democracy is being bulldozed, and a few 'secret service agents' and what military unit under who's orders would intervene?.. a 'few thousand mil maga marchers' that photos show blanketed the place with a huge stage set up, my guess is they'll be back if the courts and electoral delegate process is not going their way..

 

You don't listen to the alternative media, there are militia's with thousands of members, 'oath takers' etc. that say they are ready to decend on WDC to 'protect the president against the coup'  , to 'prevent dictatorship', the other sides dogma is as colorful as yours..  and where the hell are Bidens 'few thousand marchers'.. at home afraid of catching 'covid'? of cource they are so weak.  Trump may decide to leave willingly even though the other side has made matters worse by promising to throw him in jail as soon as hes a civilian, but the fact is that he can excersize this option OR this option may be excersized for him if the MAGAs decide to operate on their own .. when the yellow shirts do it, they were not acting on orders from Abhisit or any other parliament member, rather they create an independent group that demands political concessions

Edited November 28, 2020 by pkspeaker

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

Cancelled elections is a non sequtor.  Neither Lincoln nor Trump did that.

The example that I have of an action called for by CNN which would have caused Trump to be called a dictator was implementing a nationwide lockdown.

 

Link please.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Yeah, he did for the area between Washington and Philadelphia. 5 years later the Supreme court ruled that his order was unconstitutional.

Not in 1963.